bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 when your hypocrisy is highlighted in you avoiding any acknowledgement of active U.S. raw sewage dumping... a comparative counter to your presumed "BC indifference", you conveniently label this a derail! Of course you do. U.S. raw sewage is off topic. Please try to stay on topic. How do you reconcile decades of raw sewage discharge by Victoria, BC with claims of a "pristine environment" ? Don't wait for the translation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 U.S. raw sewage is off topic. Please try to stay on topic. How do you reconcile decades of raw sewage discharge by Victoria, BC with claims of a "pristine environment" ? Don't wait for the translation.... U.S. raw sewage dumping is as on topic as your thread derail discussing BC (Victoria) sewage dumping. That's right, neither have anything to do with pipelines in general, or this thread's KXL topic in particular. Any "reconciliation", as you say, has been stated (multiple times now)... you simply choose to ignore it, the same way you choose to ignore acknowledging active U.S. sewage dumping into U.S. waterways. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 U.S. raw sewage dumping is as on topic Continued thread derailing is not productive. I understand that you have no explanation for decades of approved pollution in BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) ................. Edited February 18, 2014 by bleeding heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 further to the previous highlighted raw sewage and contaminated stormwater surge into New England States waterways, very recent U.S. Government court actions were required to deal with long-standing raw sewage discharges by the cities of Seattle, Washington and San Antonio, Texas and the county of King County, Washington: - between 2007 and 2010, Seattle discharged approximately 200 million gallons of raw sewage into area waterways on an annual basis. During this time period, the city also improperly operated and maintained its sanitary sewer system, resulting in unauthorized discharges of raw sewage to public and private properties, including basement backups.- between 2006 and 2012, San Antonio had approximately 2,200 illegal overflows from its sanitary sewer system that discharged approximately 23 million gallons of raw sewage into local waterways- between 2006 and 2010, King County discharged approximately 900 million gallons of raw sewage to waters of the United States on an annual basis through discharges from its combined sewer system notwithstanding scientific debates over the effects of Victoria's sewage outfall, the city's plan (with provincial/federal engagement) for sewage treatment continues toward completion/deployment... an easy googly turns up lots of American examples, like... per the New England Center for Investigative Reporting, every year across New England states, billions of gallons of raw sewage and contaminated stormwater surge into the waterways/onto streets: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I understand that you have no explanation for decades of approved pollution in BC. I've spoken to this several times now... you simply choose to ignore the repeated references. You also choose to ignore the significant ongoing raw sewage dumping within/into U.S. waterways. The multiple repeated references you continue to ignore: that "indifference" you speak of was principally government in action... with a part of that shaped by regulation, itself driven by (other) government monitoring/review/analysis that deemed the dumping acceptable in terms of dilution rates, particle levels, shellfish closure zones, etc.. You have absolutely no grounds to suggest the collective BC environmental movement was "indifferent" to the dumping practice (again, 1 km out, 65 km deep). After a long concentrated protest its that very collective BC environmental movement that has finally brought forward a $1 Billion sewage treatment plan/deployment. You've been provided a rationale used, one that delayed the treatment plan/deployment. Did I mention you continue to ignore the highlighted U.S. raw sewage dumping? no - let's really review... based on derailing the thread on the KXL pipeline with your reference to Victoria raw sewage, you claimed "BC had/has a historical indifference for the environment". I explained the rationale behind your presumed indifference; one predicated upon complicit multi-tier governments acting upon each others cooperative regulation/monitoring/review/analysis... all suggesting the practice was "safe"... all collectively working against anything but an indifferent BC environmental movement long protesting the dumping of raw sewage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Canada has no uniform regulation of untreated sewage, unlike the U.S. no - notwithstanding your thread derail... within the Canadian Fisheries Act, the Wastewater Systems Effluent Regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Nope....Canada lacks uniform water treatment standards from Sea to Stinky Sea, as reported by the Sierra Legal Defence report, "National Sewage Report Card" (2004?) http://www.ecojustice.ca/publications/reports/national-sewage-report-card-iii/attachment Therefore, we find that British Columbia is not maintained as a "pristine environment", benefits from petroleum and bitumen distillates, and is subject to federal jurisdiction for pipeline approvals. Edited February 18, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 no, within your thread derail, you're relying upon dated information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well it looks like the KXL got another derail just today. Nevada courts rule the changes to routing were created unconstitutionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well it looks like the KXL got another derail just today. Nevada courts rule the changes to routing were created unconstitutionally. They'll be busting out the good Scotch at CN Headquarters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well it looks like the KXL got another derail just today. Nevada courts rule the changes to routing were created unconstitutionally. oh snap! Now that's the kind of thread derail I'm talking about... maybe not so imminent eminent domain after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well it looks like the KXL got another derail just today. Nevada courts rule the changes to routing were created unconstitutionally. Why would Nevada courts make any such ruling ? Perhaps you meant Nebraska ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Why would Nevada courts make any such ruling ? Perhaps you meant Nebraska ? I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Apparently those Nebraskan family farmers and ranchers are a bunch of lefty "eco-nuts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter has come down hard on the Keystone XL pipeline. The project is surely doomed now.... ...The 39th president joined a group of Nobel laureates to sign a letter urging the current commander-in-chief to reject the pipeline from Canada. The letter tells Barack Obama that he stands on the brink of making a choice that will define his legacy on one of the greatest challenges humanity has ever faced — climate change. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/jimmy-carter-urges-keystone-xl-rejection-1.2612326 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Unions are ready to go to war with Democrats over their opposition to the pipeline. It's costing them a great deal of good union jobs and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Unions are ready to go to war with Democrats over their opposition to the pipeline. It's costing them a great deal of good union jobs and money. as you've been repeatedly shown, within the U.S. there are a very limited number of projected jobs during construction... over a very short term period. There's a relatively miniscule number of permanent jobs associated with KXL. You know this. You've been shown the debunking of those failed TransCanada job projections... you've seen the independent academic studies that project job reality. Edited April 17, 2014 by waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 as you've been repeatedly shown, within the U.S. there are a very limited number of projected jobs during construction... over a very short term period. There's a relatively miniscule number of permanent jobs associated with KXL. You know this. You've been shown the debunking of those failed TransCanada job projections... you've seen the independent academic studies that project job reality. By definition, there is no such thing as a permanent construction job. But the number of jobs a project creates has nothing to do with wether the project should be given a green light. You're not making any sense. Regardless, unions are ready to campaign against Democrats in the fall over their lack of support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 So you start by saying you bemoan the loss of all these jobs, but then say the jobs don't matter. Do I hear doublespeak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 No surprise here....Canadians can wait some more on the Keystone XL border pipeline decision. American politics is more important than some silly pipeline ! A Republican president would have approved it long ago. The U.S. State Department announced on Friday it is extending the government comment period on the Keystone XL pipeline, a move that likely postpones a final decision on the controversial project until after the Nov. 4 mid-term elections. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-to-delay-keystone-xl-decision-1.2615062 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 What I understand about this pipe is that it will give certain workers jobs but if the people think that they will have cheaper gas prices, I don't think that will happen because all the oil coming from that pipeline will go to CHINA! True or false??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Yes, the oil will go to China through the Gulf of Mexico...because that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 So you start by saying you bemoan the loss of all these jobs, but then say the jobs don't matter. Do I hear doublespeak? Economic acvitity begets both taxes and jobs. Yes, construction jobs are temporary, but they always are. It will still employ a lot of people for a while, and after that, well, someone has to refine it, and someone has to supply the refinery with power and toilet paper and everything else a large processing facility must make use of. Someone has to load the oil onto ships, if that's where it goes, and the terminal not only employs people but will also need supplies (power and office chairs and toilet paper and the like). This is all stupid anyway. Thousands and thousands of miles of pipeline criss-cross the US. The environmentalists have seized on this as a way to 'stop' the oil sands by playing up the dangers of a pipeline, but we're already shipping enormous and growing amounts by rail, and the pipline east project is well underway. One or both of the pipelines to the coast will be in place in a few years. There's nothing anyone can do stop the oil sands other than inventing a new energy system that's more economical. If the environmentalists had any brains they'd try to use their clout to extract binding promises on environmental issues from oil production companies, not simply say "No!", and try to block them from exporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 From the Star today - but of course, Obama continues to deny that politics are at play. The guy is beholden to his donors - instead of his country. Speculation had been rampant about whether the Obama administration might try to punt the politically sensitive decision until after this year’s midterms. That’s because even if the project has solid support from the general public, it has sharply divided Barack Obama’s Democratic party.On one side, there are big-money environmentalist donors. On the other side, red-state conservative Democrats risk losing their seats and leaving the Republicans with control of both congressional chambers. Link: http://www.thestar.com/business/economy/2014/04/18/us_delays_decision_on_keystone_xl_pipeline.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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