bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 Israel is a racist apartheid state. Tutu condemns Israeli 'apartheid' He continues with the truth: That's nice.....guess who gets more US foreign aid....Tutu or Israel ? Money talks....BS walks. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Posted June 25, 2013 That's unlike you BC2004. You usually try to respond to the accusations in regards to the U.S. I guess you accept that your government is bought by the Israeli lobby. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 That's unlike you BC2004. You usually try to respond to the accusations in regards to the U.S. I guess you accept that your government is bought by the Israeli lobby. I love the "Israeli lobby"...because it's American. Which means there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 I love the "Israeli lobby"...because it's American. Which means there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Perhaps Alice Walker will write a book about it and then Hudson can buy it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 Tutu condemns Israeli 'apartheid' Is that supposed to mean something? He endorses the Free Gaza Movement. Here's one of their tweets: “Zionists operated the concentration camps and helped murder millions of innocent Jews.” Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 Is that supposed to mean something? He endorses the Free Gaza Movement. Here's one of their tweets: “Zionists operated the concentration camps and helped murder millions of innocent Jews.” That would be Ms Greta Berlin...Ms Alice Walker's cohort. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 That would be Ms Greta Berlin...Ms Alice Walker's cohort. It's unbelievable, is what it is. That Tutu endorses this tells me he's hardly unbiased, so why Hudson would think his viewpoint matters to me is difficult to understand. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 It's unbelievable, is what it is. That Tutu endorses this tells me he's hardly unbiased, so why Hudson would think his viewpoint matters to me is difficult to understand. Agreed...Tutu has his own "dirty laundry" to worry about. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 It's unbelievable, is what it is. That Tutu endorses this tells me he's hardly unbiased, so why Hudson would think his viewpoint matters to me is difficult to understand. I'm not sure if TuTu has distanced himself from the anti-Semitic Free Gaza Movement. He should. Last year, he and Walker were part of the so-called Russell Tribunal on Palestine...another movement that is supposed to be keenly on the look-out for human rights violations...as long as they're Israeli human rights violations. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Posted June 25, 2013 I love the "Israeli lobby"...because it's American. Hah! Love it. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Posted June 25, 2013 Is that supposed to mean something? I noticed that you refused to acknowledge the information you requested, which I provided about all that money that flows into the representatives' pockets from the Israeli lobby. Do you also feel the same way as BC2004? That you love how it's so American for the government to be bought by the Israeli lobby? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest American Woman Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 I noticed that you refused to acknowledge the information you requested, which I provided about all that money that flows into the representatives' pockets from the Israeli lobby.You didn't provide the information I requested. Do you also feel the same way as BC2004? That you love how it's so American for the government to be bought by the Israeli lobby?Have you not been paying attention? I don't feel that the American government is bought by the Israeli lobby. I've made that quite clear. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Posted June 25, 2013 You didn't provide the information I requested. Then you obviously have a hard time reading. Here is the information again: The information can be found in a variety of places. Here is a link to the list of Pro-Israel fund recipients. The lists are long, so take your time. As an American, it would be good for you to familiarize yourself with this information. Here are just the top 5: Top Senate Recipients Funded Mark Kirk $925,379 John McCain $771,012 Mitch McConnell $430,925 Carl Levin $346,478 Robert Menéndez $344,670 Top House Recipients Funded Ileana Ros-Lehtinen $238,685 Eric Cantor $209,410 Bradley Schneider $161,784 Steny Hoyer $143,775 John Boehner $129,925 Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest American Woman Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 Then you obviously have a hard time reading. Here is the information again : You obviously have a hard time understanding, because that's not the information I requested. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 Here are just the top 5: Top Senate Recipients Funded Mark Kirk $925,379 John McCain $771,012 Mitch McConnell $430,925 Carl Levin $346,478 Robert Menéndez $344,670 Top House Recipients Funded Ileana Ros-Lehtinen $238,685 Eric Cantor $209,410 Bradley Schneider $161,784 Steny Hoyer $143,775 John Boehner $129,925 That's a lot of money.....in Canada !! We saw all the excitement over what a measely $90K can do...LOL !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 That's a lot of money.....in Canada !! We saw all the excitement over what a measely $90K can do...LOL !! That pays the dues at Augusta...well...part of them. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
PIK Posted June 25, 2013 Report Posted June 25, 2013 Hudson , Israel is a ally, you always back your allies. And if you were to be fair you would understand that it is a 50/50 game over there. But you hate Israel so you can't have a honest opinion about it. You got it now. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted June 26, 2013 Author Report Posted June 26, 2013 Hudson , Israel is a ally, you always back your allies. You don't back a so-called ally who is engaging in immoral acts against fellow humans. Will you back a friend who is killing and raping? I hope not. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Rue Posted June 27, 2013 Report Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Typical of the propaganda site of H Jones is the canard that there is a powerful Jewish lobby, i.e., AIPAC that controls the US. The canard claims Jews conspiring as evil Zionists pay off American politicians. Of course what this H Jones site and so many other propaganda sites for Hamas and Iran omit is the fact that there is and has always been an Arab lobby as old as Israel's if not older paying out far more in money to US elected officials before and after their retirement. Saudi Arabia today uses power p.r. firms and lawyers to continue its influence on US foreign policy. In fact the largest lobby for a nation is of all countries, the United Kingdom, and China and Taiwan are right up there as well. In fact AIPAC is not a large national lobby and the secret to its success is combining is best interests with the US military industrial best interests. if Israeli foreign policy interests do not coincide with the US military industrial complex interests, the oil lobbyists or Saudi Arabia and Egypt this notion the US ignores these other lobby interests and simply caters to Israel is laughable but its the kind of pathetic misrepresentation one comes to expect of a propaganda site whose motus operandi is to throw out information that tries to take the lobby world and render it just one exercise in Israel influencing the US with no mention of any other lobby groups let alone the Arab one. Here is the part of the debate H Jones sites will not discuss when it comes to alleged lobbying: http://arab-lobby.blogspot.ca/ http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_arab_lobby_ka5MrPcSHmxM5jtznDfQ6L http://www.meforum.org/2773/arab-lobby http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guidedesc.asp?catid=178&type=group Of course to expect this propaganda hack site to even admit there is an Arab lobby would be laughable. In its world Israel operates in a vacuum. Turkey,Egypt, Saudi Arabia, OPEC and the oil lobby have no say in US foreign policy in the Middle East. Israel simply operates in a vacuum. Then again this is the same joke of a site when presented with the actual military aid numbers given to Israel and Arab nations had no response other than to name call. This is the same alleged source who called on Israel to be destroyed on this forum and then showed its cowardice by refusing to explain how. This is the same web site that features a daily anti Israel attack on this forum presenting isolated stories intended to incite hatred against Israel, between Jews, against Jews and against Americans in rather feeble attempts at exploiting children, or engaging in the used canards of Zionist lobby conspirators, Zionist Nazis, etc. The joke continues. Love from THE SAVAGE ZIONIST Edited June 27, 2013 by Rue Quote
Guest American Woman Posted June 27, 2013 Report Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Will you back a friend who is killing and raping? I hope not. Would you be friends with someone who is killing and raping? Edited June 27, 2013 by American Woman Quote
Guest American Woman Posted June 27, 2013 Report Posted June 27, 2013 Like...errr...Hamas? Hang on...they're fine fellows. They give free rides. Hamas did come to mind. Fine fellows, indeed. Quote
Rue Posted June 28, 2013 Report Posted June 28, 2013 You don't back a so-called ally who is engaging in immoral acts against fellow humans. Will you back a friend who is killing and raping? I hope not. This coming from a propoganda site that openly incites and calls for the "destruction" of Israel on this forum and then refuses to respond and indicate how it will engage in this destruction. This coming from a site that willnot acknowledge Hamas, Intifada or other terrorist groups such as Hezbollah have an open and declared war against Israel. This coming from a site that denies almost 7,000 missiles were shot into Israel at civilians designed to terrorize them but referred to as"self-defence". This coming from a site that will not acknowledge the Palestinian Authority stated publically as did Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International that Hamas among other extremist terror cells in the Gaza has: 1-targeted Palestinians who disagree with Hamas and lit them on fire with rubber necklaces(rubber tires around their necks) or beaten them to death and left them on the streets physically and sexually mutilated as an example to other Palestinians as to what happens when you question Hamas; 2-wears civilian clothing when engaging in alleged acts of war against Israel; 3-used hospitals, schools and civilian apartment buildings as launch, shooting and attack sites; 4-used both United Nations and Red Crescent vehicles to carry weapons and terrorists to and from attacks; 5-indiscriminately beats to a pulp and sexually molests openly gay men or women; 6-says nothing as over 95,000 Syrians are killed in a civil war by Hamas,Hezbollah and thousands of Muslim extremists; 7-said nothing about indiscriminate genocide against Sudanese civilians by their government; 8-said nothing about indiscriminate genocide of Sunnis and Christians in Lebanon by Hezbollah; 9-says nothing about the rampant killing of Muslims by fellow Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq; 10-says nothing about Iranian mass murder and brutal oppression of gays, feminists trade unionists, Bahaiis, Christians, Jews, university students in Iran; 11-says nothing about brutal treatment of peaceful demonstrators in Egypt and Turkey; 12-says nothing about the oppression of Coptic Christians, Berbers, Druze, Assyrians,Kurds, Ahmidya Muslims, Ismaili Muslims in the Middle East; 13- refuses to condemn terrorism and immoral war crimes and actions by Hamas,Hezbollah, Intifada, Iran, The Assad Regime. You see in this propaganda site's world there is only a script to smeer Israel and Israel operates in a vacuum. Israel does not defend itself against terrorism, it simply has nothing better to do then for no reason at all attack Palestinians. What makes this propaganda site despicable is its sheer two faced hippocracy. It spews venom that Israel rapes and commits crimes and how anyone who supports such actions is the same, but in the very same breath supports the rape and immorality of Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. Lol. It is the utmost in cowardice and hippocracy to support and cheer on the very thing you accuse someone else of being immoral for So I call out to the script desk and its furious fellows hacking away at their anti Israel scripts-boys you can't type fast enough nor are you creative enough to understand how this works. Love The Savage* Zionist . * I know this sounds sexually suggestive but I do not want to disappoint any readers-the word "savage" used by H-Jones when referring to Zionists I do believe refers to our tendency to eat sandwitches at parties right after we circumcise our new borns Quote
Hudson Jones Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Some of you have been living in denial for a long time, so the fact that Israel is a racist state is tough to swallow. Especially when indisputable facts are given to you: Discriminatory Laws in Israel There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees. Link Edited June 28, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Some of you have been living in denial for a long time, so the fact that Israel is a racist state is tough to swallow. Especially when indisputable facts are given to you: No harder to "swallow" than Canada or the U.S. as "racist states". You think this is news ? Edited June 28, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Posted June 28, 2013 No harder to "swallow" than Canada or the U.S. as "racist states". You think this is news ? They were racist states. There is no denying that. U.S. and Canada do not have over 50 discriminating laws against another group of people like Israel does. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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