PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

[waldo]

"Resign" is euphemism for "forced to resign."

speaking of... will the "master tactician" Harper pull a McGuinty over Duffygate?

[Keepitsimple]

Seems pretty clear - the Prime Minister told Duffy exactly what the media has been harpring about- politicians not only have to follow the rules - they have to be perceived by the public as following the rules. So pay the money back! Harper then left it to Nigel Wright and Duffy to work out the details but after that - why would the PM need to be involved at all? He wouldn't - and shouldn't. He had a lot more pressing issues to deal with all over the world. Seems to me that Harper is being truthful but the media and the opposition don't want to hear the truth.

Edited October 23, 2013 by Keepitsimple

[PIK]

After this is clean up it is time for the media to have a major overhaul. This was poor ,shoddy, smear campaign ,lead by fife. I am starting to think after listening to lowell read the audit report, that seemd to say that at least duffy did nothing wrong when it came to housing. And I think harper being a honest man over reacted on this and made it worse. But as braz said , you all better be clean if you are going to throw us under the bus. This is poor timing for this vote, every one of them should have been check under the same rules like the other 3. But suspending them with out pay is wrong untill something has beem proved. Now there is that 65 g's to donahue (who I know quite well)that has to be explained.

Edited October 23, 2013 by PIK

[bleeding heart]

After this is clean up it is time for the media to have a major overhaul. This was poor ,shoddy, smear campaign ,lead by fife. I am starting to think after listening to lowell read the audit report, that seemd to say that at least duffy did nothing wrong when it came to housing. And I think harper being a honest man over reacted on this and made it worse. But as braz said , you all better be clean if you are going to throw us under the bus. This is poor timing for this vote, every one of them should have been check under the same rules like the other 3. But suspending them with out pay is wrong untill something has beem proved.

Wow....so the real issue, as you see it, is that Duffy, Wright, and who knows who else actually were so honest and clean that it's resulted in their being smeared by a crazed press corps?

They're truly too good for this fallen world.

Edited October 23, 2013 by bleeding heart

[scribblet]

So again you level unfounded charges, but unlike Members of Parliament during Question Period, that have Parliamentary Privilege enshrined, you have no legal basis to do so………alrighty then.....

I watched the CBC National News last night. They where all like kids in a candy store hardly containing their glee. Harper has always said Duffy should repay the money while Duffy sounds like a man trying to preserve a pay cheque all along and looking for others to blame for his need to do whatever he thought would keep it coming. Mr. Harper himself said I believe in the House that he looked at it initially and it looked like the expenses were in line, Duffy is saying the same thing about the expenses being in line and that’s about it.

Most of this has been manufactured by the media and has little to do with propriety of Senators and spending but is focused on unhorsing Stephen Harper no matter what. That’s all they care about.

How can one tell? The story focuses on Harper’s Senate choices, Duffy, Wallin and Brazeau, yet recent Senator Mac Harb, who allegedly owes more than the other three put together, has been virtually ignored and thus invisible. Same goes for Raymond Lavigne another corrupt Chretien choice who is now serving a short jail term for “breach of public trust” for the same activities as Duffy and the rest are accused of. Look too at Liberal Sen Colin Kenney who was mentioned briefly this week as having abused the Senate’s funds and resources. This is simply the malicious media and opposition scheme to bring down the best PM Canada has enjoyed since Bennett.

It could cost the CPC re-election especially when the pretty boy Justin Trudeau with a joint hanging out of his mouth is leading the charge for the Liberals.

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Hold the flames please.....

[PIK]

Wow....so the real issue, as you see it, is that Duffy, Wright, and who knows who else actually were so honest and clean that it's resulted in their being smeared by a crazed press corps?

They're truly too good for this fallen world.

Just going by the audit. And duffy has alot of explaining to do on other expenses. And yes some the press corp is out of control. Duffy got into trouble , harper wanted the matter fixed and wright went about it in the wrong way. IMO Some of the press are still hurting from the chretien's scandals and they are doing their best to make harper looks as bad , but it will fail in the end.

[waldo]

when the pretty boy Justin Trudeau with a joint hanging out of his mouth is leading the charge for the Liberals.

you forget to mention Trudeau's hair!

[waldo]

And I think harper being a honest man over reacted on this and made it worse.

so... nothing more than an honest Harper mistake over-reaction then, right?

[Mighty AC]

Harper is the 'honest' man that apparently had no involvement in dealings with Duffy, but has now admitted to a meeting.

[scribblet]

So far Duffy has not provided documentation, though he claims to have written notes to back up his allegations. Don’t forget a few months ago Duffy said he really didn’t know if the PM knew about the Wright cheque and the PM said he didn’t know the details, Duffy has not said otherwise but is letting the media put words in his mouth.

A matter of shady business by a Senator is being used by the opposition and media who are latching on to every word from Duffy/lawyer. This in order to bring down the PM, it’s not about the money, ethics or Senate business any more, it’s just a malicious scheme to bring down a gov’t rather than doing it at the ballot box.

[eyeball]

Well, I guess Harper could just do what so many other leaders do around the world and start arresting and disappearing anyone who disses him. It sounds like a lot of the sycophants around probably wouldn't object.

Like I said earlier, if this was about the PMO headquartering NAMBLA, the base would still be out in force insisting that other heads should roll.

[cybercoma]

Stretching what? By all means if I’ve stated something factually incorrect or was remiss in mentioning something in relation to the Senators position or claim(s), by all means, steer me in the right direction.

Do you really not see how bad this is for Stephen Harper and the PMO?

[Smallc]

Duffy has little if any credibility left. I don't believe anything that his lawyer is alleging.

[scribblet]

I don't know anyone,' sycophants' or otherwise who would not object to such a thing, so don't impute thoughts and ideas that don't exist.

It’s funny when miscreants are caught they try to blame everyone else but Duffy is a former media member so does know how to pitch an issue and stir up the public. I wouldn't believe every word Duffy says, especially under Parliamentary privilege.

Personally, Harper knowing anything is just a mountain out of a mole hill. Why should the PM resign if that's what they want over a $90,000 cheque? Maybe we should have an inquiry then Harper can take the stand and carry on about his golf balls. Canadians lapped it all up when Chretien did that. -

The PM has just concluded years of hard work with the signing of a free trade agreement that will benefit Canada greatly. It’s the best gov’t we’ve had in a generation or so on many fronts. It’s a shame because if Wright wants to float Duffy a loan fine, end of discussion, end of news story.

[Smallc]

Good work doesn't excuse bad behavior...if there's something to find tied to Harper it should be found, but anything Duffy says or presents won't be likely to convince me.

[waldo]

Duffy has little if any credibility left. I don't believe anything that his lawyer is alleging.

and so long as Duffy kept his mouth shut while taking the PMO payoff money... to you... Duffy was credible? Is it only when Duffy (Wallin & Brazeau) challenge their Senate removal that you believe he/they have "little if any credibility left"?

[waldo]

It’s a shame because if Wright wants to float Duffy a loan fine, end of discussion, end of news story.

a loan? It was a loan? I thought it's been referred to as a "personal gift"? If it was a loan... this can't be the end of discussion, the end of a news story. You need to get this info out to squash that crazed press corps!

[Smallc]

and so long as Duffy kept his mouth shut while taking the PMO payoff money... to you... Duffy was credible? Is it only when Duffy (Wallin & Brazeau) challenge their Senate removal that you believe he/they have "little if any credibility left"?

Good work doesn't excuse bad behavior...if there's something to find tied to Harper it should be found, but anything Duffy says or presents won't be likely to convince me.

[waldo]

Personally, Harper knowing anything is just a mountain out of a mole hill.

as often is the case, Harper, as you say, "knowing", is the mole hill..... the mountain is Harper "knowing" while stating that, (allegedly), he knows nothing.

[Smallc]

and so long as Duffy kept his mouth shut while taking the PMO payoff money... to you... Duffy was credible? Is it only when Duffy (Wallin & Brazeau) challenge their Senate removal that you believe he/they have "little if any credibility left"?

And for the record, I don't think any of the three have any credibility, no. Mac Harb doesn't either.

[waldo]

And for the record, I don't think any of the three have any credibility, no. Mac Harb doesn't either.

I have to admit I didn't appreciate the breadth of Duffy's integrity until Duffygate surfaced. I've misjudged him entirely!

[PIK]

Do you really not see how bad this is for Stephen Harper and the PMO?

I don't. People realize this is a on going thing with the senate for decades and harper was the only one that wanted to do something about it, which he will. And with all the other scandals with previous governments how many got into trouble by trying to get taxpayer money back??? And what does this amount to 2-3 mil, hell chretien would give that away in one day in a little brown envolope. But again the media has blown this out of porportion to the point nobody seems to know know what is going on. To many reporters out their trying to make a kill with this. Makes me wonder if they do this to try and get a job with the holy grail of news, the CBC, which is like winning a lottery. At least that older bald headed guy with the glasses had the balls to say he was lib and he is bias. Edited October 23, 2013 by PIK

[Keepitsimple]

Just back to Mac Harb for a second - the only one who will likely be charged criminally. He resigned from the senate so that he can retain his pension entitlement! If he was convicted of anything while sitting as a Senator, he would be stripped of his entitlements. Just to recap and question why the CBC and other media have not been on this juicy story like a dog on a bone:

Mr. Cowan’s remarks to Postmedia News came in the wake of sweeping RCMP allegations against Mr. Harb that were made public this week.

Senators who live more than 100 kilometres from Parliament Hill are entitled to a $22,000 annual housing allowance for a secondary home in the capital. A Senate committee had ordered Mr. Harb to repay $51,000 in claims from 2011 and 2012, which he did, under protest.

But RCMP investigators allege a wider scheme involving Mr. Harb that they say spans a decade. Their allegations are outlined in an application for a court order that compels the Senate to hand over Mr. Harb’s expense and travel documents.

Among the RCMP allegations are that Mr. Harb sold 99.99 per cent of a home he claimed as his primary residence for four years to a former foreign ambassador to Canada, while listing his Ottawa condo as his address on insurance documents.

The RCMP documents, written by lead investigator Cpl. Greg Horton, also raise questions about a central component of Mr. Harb’s defence of his housing claims: that the clerk of the Senate approved his housing situation.

None of the allegations have been proven in court. A request for comment from Mr. Harb’s lawyer, Simon Ruel, was not returned Friday.

Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/26/top-liberal-had-no-idea-embattled-senator-was-claiming-living-expenses-for-uninhabitable-house/

Edited October 23, 2013 by Keepitsimple

[Smallc]

I have to admit I didn't appreciate the breadth of Duffy's integrity until Duffygate surfaced. I've misjudged him entirely!

Before that he had some. Now he has none.

[waldo]

People realize this is a on going thing with the senate for decades and harper was the only one that wanted to do something about it, which he will.

oh really? As most of the "crazed media" present it, Harper Conservatives grew weary of that mundane parliamentary debate on their Senate Reform Act... so Harper Conservatives punted it on up to the Supreme Court to decide on such tiresome things as whether provinces have any say... or the constitution needs to be amended... or... . But hey now PIK, since you're so tapped in (apparently), will it be a Harper Conservative led reform... or abolition... of the Senate? In your "which he will", which one will he..... reform or abolition?