Horwath demands Accountability Office to support Liberal budget

[Fletch 27]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/08/ndp-add-to-list-of-changes-they-want-in-liberal-budget-including-accountability-office/

The first thing that jumps to mind is that the actual JOB of an Opposition IS TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY of holding the Leading Party to Account.... What am I missing here? Its actually in Horwaths Job description!

Typical desired bloating for Government for the NDP I guess...

[scribblet]

Don't know what she's waffling about, she got nearly everything... I don't really want an election but I'm beginning to think there should be one.

[Fletch 27]

Im ok with spending 91 million on an election..... Its better than the additional 400 billion in spending now.... Cus we all know... Ontario can afford it right?

And I voted liberal in the last 2 Ontario elections... Im now done with fraud, bribery and whatever else the NDP and Liberals are offering

Time for an election...

[silver72]

Im ok with spending 91 million on an election..... Its better than the additional 400 billion in spending now.... Cus we all know... Ontario can afford it right?

And I voted liberal in the last 2 Ontario elections... Im now done with fraud, bribery and whatever else the NDP and Liberals are offering

Time for an election...

So, does that hold true for the next federal election too, not voting Tory??????

[NikoD]

Increasing Ontario's deficit with an election is the last thing we should be doing. Horwath gets everything see wants and more, yet she still wants more. This is the best the NDP is going to get in Ontario, they won't win an election, I believe due to not only the polls (which have her in dead last) but also since the disastrous "Rae Days", the NDP will most likely never be elected anytime soon.

An election right now would stall Ontario's economy and most likely lead to another minority government.

[Fletch 27]

Why would it Silver? Pretty sure that your aware that Canada Federally is the apple of the worlds eye when it comes to fiscal management.... I will vote Tory again unless things stray from the current path...

Again, I voted Liberal provincially in the last 2 Ontario elections... Im a swing vote... Currently,, I would like to swing the liberals into a sest-pool... They have ruined my childrens possibilities. They will be paying for ME... Shame on Ontario

And to NikoD? 91 million is a hell f a lot better than the BILLIONS the Liberals are bribing the NDP with.... Do the math.... Im cutting my losses...

I would rater pay for a 91 million dollar election than multiple 800Million dollar hydro/e-health/windmill fiascos...

"Its in the math" unless you took "sociology"....

So, does that hold true for the next federal election too, not voting Tory??????

[Muddy]

Right on Fletch!

I hate the idea of the cost of an election but after listening to McGuinty on the gas plant scandal, well I am horrified.How can anyone be so deliberately obtuse with a straight face! Hudat is no future prize but I will accept mistakes over what the gas plants smell like.

Yes we need an election! The NDP is acting irresponsible by backing these Liberla. The Liberals will try and stay in power by giving into NDP demands, We can not afford this road we are travelling on. Lets go the road less traveled.

Fletch is right. We have sold our childrens economic future down the drain. Lets take responibility and try and do some repairs to what was once the engine of Canada`s economy! Ontario!

[NikoD]

And to NikoD? 91 million is a hell f a lot better than the BILLIONS the Liberals are bribing the NDP with.... Do the math.... Im cutting my losses...

I would rater pay for a 91 million dollar election than multiple 800Million dollar hydro/e-health/windmill fiascos...

"Its in the math" unless you took "sociology"....

But would it not be better if, they allowed the budget to pass so that the Liberals could focus on the economy instead of an election? The Liberals may be spending Billions on NDP proposals, which regular Ontarians want including auto insurance rate cuts. But the Liberals also have a plan to balance the books by 2017/18.

I am not defending that what the Liberals did was right, they should have never cancelled the gas plants, but holding an election right now, would not only increase the deficit, but also likely form another minority government.

[Boges]

But would it not be better if, they allowed the budget to pass so that the Liberals could focus on the economy instead of an election? The Liberals may be spending Billions on NDP proposals, which regular Ontarians want including auto insurance rate cuts. But the Liberals also have a plan to balance the books by 2017/18.

I am not defending that what the Liberals did was right, they should have never cancelled the gas plants, but holding an election right now, would not only increase the deficit, but also likely form another minority government.

That's wrong-headed pragmatism.

You should ignore this governments' scandalous behaviour because work needs to be done and an election is a distraction?

Didn't work need to be done when Dalton McGuinty basically shut down the house for 4 months to pick a new leader? If Sandra Pupatello had won leadership, the house could still be prorogued.

What work was being done then?

[jacee]

Why would it Silver? Pretty sure that your aware that Canada Federally is the apple of the worlds eye when it comes to fiscal management...

Except for the missing $3.1b!

That's a lot of gas plants!

[NikoD]

That's wrong-headed pragmatism.

You should ignore this governments' scandalous behaviour because work needs to be done and an election is a distraction?

Didn't work need to be done when Dalton McGuinty basically shut down the house for 4 months to pick a new leader? If Sandra Pupatello had won leadership, the house could still be prorogued.

What work was being done then?

That scandalous behaviour was done under the leadership of McGuinty, not Wynne. But what you believe is that we should put off thinking about the looming deficit our province has, and have an election. Which will most likely result in another minority government. Kathleen Wynne has not done anything wrong to Ontario, McGuinty has.

Deb Mathews should be fired for what she has done, eHeath and what not, but not the entire Liberal party.

My "wrong-headed pragmatism" believes that we should focus on the economy and giving Ontarians jobs, not on an election.

[Guest Kenneth]

Pray to God that she never becomes Premier.

[Boges]

I just heard on the radio that she also wants the plan to toll the HOV lanes to be scrapped. That's the "revenue tool" that was the least objectionable to drivers.

I'll assume this means she outright rejects most, if not all of them.

Edited May 14, 2013 by Boges

[PIK]

Listening to the preimer on CFRA she said she has talked to 1000's of people and nobody even mentioned wanting a election. The rerst of the world is picking up on this shit and we are becoming the laughing stock, thanks to the people that keep voting these fools in. You might as well let her stay and have dix in BC and trudeau as PM, then we conservatives can sit by and watch this country burn.

[CliffStir]

That scandalous behaviour was done under the leadership of McGuinty, not Wynne.

So Wynne wasn't part of the team? How in the hell did she become leader then?

That is such an apologist's attitude.

These thieves should be in jail for the thefts and incompetence they have perpetrated against Ontarians and you want to re-elect them ???!!!!

Wynne was a willing participant no matter what you believe . The only other possibility is that she is so naive that she should be banned from any leadership role whatsoever till her dying day! (Just like "I never saw Nuthin' but elect me Prime Minister anyways" Paul Martin.

She chose to support her party throughout the entire debacle that McSquinty headed up. From driving out business to driving up hydro fees and their own salaries.

Implementing taxes after promising they wouldn't.

cutting back on health services.

She took her raises just like the rest of them.

She was a member of the liberal crime syndicate of Ontario just like the rest of them.

She deserves to go to jail just like the rest of them.

Give your head a shake man!

Kids are starving in this province due to lack of funds.

But McSquinty and his band of merry thieves all got got an extra $16,000 to $49,000 pay raises tacked onto their already excessive salaries.

People are dying from lack of funds for life saving procedures.

But we pay Chris Mazza over a million dollars salary to hire a girlfriend and jetset around the world. Meanwhile Helicopters are sitting not being used and , yup, people die from lack of access to equipment.

An estimated 9500 smog related deaths a year in Ontario. But instead of putting scrubbers on Coal fired hydro plants the Liberals pissed millions away to protect a couple of seats.

Under the Liberals the Sunshine list has grown to unprecedented proportions.

And now they say they don't have the money we gave them to manage the province properly.

And people want to give these guys the keys to the office again??

I cant understand it at all. In the world I grew up in you don't reward lying and incompetence.

The list of reasons NOT to vote liberal is too massive to list here, but yet the liberal sheeple of Ontario just might vote them back into power.

If that happens, we are doomed.

[Patton74]

The problem is that we are stuck with Hudak till he loses the next election. But only if the Liberals get a majority THAN get ready to pay huge.

Rates wil jump across the board and with nothing to stop them we will all be screwed equally. Welcome to socialism.

The Ontario PC cannot change leaders while in a minority situation with an election anytime.

So all hopes are on Hudak. Sucks to live in Ontario right now

[gullyfourmyle]

Wynne couldn't be part of the decision to cancel the gas plants. Nor could anyone else who stood a chance of succeeding McGuinty. If they were, there would be no point in McGuinty resigning. No break in the accountability chain. Including them would have completely sunk the Liberal's ship. Whoever succeeded McGuinty needed as clear a slate as possible or have zero credibility.

That shows I think that McGuinty knew that what he was doing was wrong, reckless and arrogant. That's Breach of Public Trust territory.

What he may not have expected was for Wynne to admit the gas plant cancellations were politically motivated - another Breach of Public Trust requirement - corruption at a high level.

If you haven't read the thread on Breach of Trust, you might want to give it a read.

I think McGuinty needs to be fitted for an orange jump suit.

[jacee]

The list of reasons NOT to vote liberal is too massive to list here, but yet the liberal sheeple of Ontario just might vote them back into power.

If that happens, we are doomed.

The only thing worse would be Hudak!

[margrace]

So McGinty watched Harper and said if he can do it so can I. American type politics at it worst. I think Ontario should give Wynne a chance, the worst thing would be to put Harpers little pet into power. Hudak would bring back Harris policies, what good would that do us.

[gullyfourmyle]

The worst thing would be to let McGuinty off the hook. Otherwise you ensure that you get the government you deserve regardless of which party is in power.

So far I haven't seen anyone comment who deserves a better government than what McGuinty served up on either of the threads.

[Boges]

Horvath just announced he'll support the budget.

So these clowns get another few more months in charge.

I'll keep saying this, The NDP will look like outright hypocrites if they allow Metrolinx to dictate additional taxes and fees to the entire province for transit improvements.

[gullyfourmyle]

Well I've defined for you CliffStir how the thieves can be sent to jail. If you really want to put your money where your mouth is, you need to say so under the proper thread where we can use it to make your wish reality. That I think would make both of us happy and strengthen democracy in Ontario.

[Keepitsimple]

Now that the budget's been approved, I hope Ontario's credit rating doesn't take another hit - that would cause the interest we pay on our debt to rise - and that means hundreds of millions in new costs - and further debt. We know soon enough

[Keepitsimple]

Will Kathleen Wynne and Andrea Horwath be viewed as the Deadly Duo? We've heard a lot about the budget tussle - and a lot about new spending to satisfy the NDP. We've also heard that the Casino expansion palns - which were supposed to inject a further billion into government coffers - are now treading water. This budget has made very little effort to rein in spending - it certainly can't be labelled an austerity budget. It's a serious matter that runs the risk of adding hundreds of millions in interest costs on our debt. We'll know soon enough - but any predictions?

Link to last year's budget and credit downgrade: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/04/26/toronto-ontario-deficit.html

[DFCaper]

It always shocks me that people can stand these provincial Liberals...

They are thieves and people want to reward them again and again. Why would any future party care about ethics with the general population obviously doesn't!!!

What is better about Ontario now then before they took over that people want them in power? The area I live, the Highschool grads ae now forced to leave the area as it is in ruins. We need more of this????!?!!?!?!?!?