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  1. Oh, and you are a member of an alien species yourself so you can give us that uniquely alien perspective? All that stuff you mentioned is old hat. Very old hat. Mind you so is the rest of the stuff on this thread now. In order to crawl outside the box you have to do some novel thinking and what you just uncrated was your mental brain run-on mixed with a heaping spoonful of condescension and delivered from the back of the bus. Try harder. You forgot to link your verbosity to the subject of the thread which in itself has become mundane. It's hard to believe this thread lasted this long.
  2. Those were good answers but we always get stuck on how to get something from nothing. My contention is that there has never been a state of absolute nothing. Even nothingness takes space.
  3. An article in the Toronto Star this morning December 12, 2013 reveals the Harper administration for what it is - crooks looking to hide their less than stellar activities from ever being made public. In particular Stephen Harper may have the largest stake in this as his office staff likely are privy to things he'd prefer were never made public. Who else can we think of in that same pickle? The name Dalton McGuinty comes to mind. I've spent a lot of time investigating his activities and they read like he orchestrated a crime wave against Ontario. Harper seems to have his own skeletons in the closet and the last thing he wants are those skeletons out walking around and blabbing. The issue though is larger than this. Preventing MP staff from ever talking sends the message that there is something to hide whether or not there is. Do we have another institution already in place running along those same lines? Yes we do. It's called the Medical Sector. It is made up of highly educated individuals whose morals, ethics and motives are no different than anyone else's on a demographic basis. What is different is that they are protected almost totally from public scrutiny. They are a large group of people who have access to large amounts of public money. They can write their own cheques with large numbers on them without interference or supervision. They can kill and maim people at will and never get caught. When they commit such infractions, they're protected by the regulatory body - the College of Physicians and Surgeons Ontario. There are similar bodies in other provinces. As a sector, there is more crime and corruption than in any other sector on the planet. When a medical crime is committed, it's almost always investigated by the regulatory body first, not the police. Kiss valuable evidence goodbye. No one in any medical regulatory is trained in forensics, nor does that body have jurisdiction when a crime has been committed. No one wants to believe a colleague has committed a crime. So deaf ears are turned enmass. The doctor who got blow jobs right in the operating room from immobilized patients is a great example if you need one. The patient accounts were discredited for years. That is what the Harper Government is trying to steer parliament towards. It's already tough enough to nail these people when they commit crimes without making it worse. It's a way of providing a sanctioned protection so powerful it would take an armed revolution to overthrow. It's a large step away from transparency and democracy. Millions of people have fought long and hard to give us democracy. The Harper government is trying to diminish the power of the electorate with this bid to gag people who not only work for us, they are our legal pipeline into what really goes on. They are an important line of defense that keeps our politicians somewhat honest. If you enjoy democracy, don't want a dictatorship, write a letter to your MP and tell that person this term in office will be their last if this initiative is successful. To read the article, cut and paste the title of this thread into your browser and click on it. In my view, this initiative is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms Sections 1 and Section 2, line item b. By protesting to your MP you'll be validating the time you've invested in this site and also that of its original creator. Exercise your democratic rights in a way that really will count. Go for it right now.
  4. godfacturing falls apart when you stop to consider; who made God? My theory is that there has never ever been nothing. The state of 'is' demands that there is always something. You know that from the fact that nature is conservative and always uses previous solutions and adapts them to solve evolving challenges. You know there is always something because every time you think you've done something really great, there is always something that spoils it's absolute perfection. There is always a fatal flaw to allow for the disruption of the whole. Our state of being and the entire cosmos operates on the concept of ebb and flow. Things built up to a point, then receding back to component parts. Over and over. No matter how far in you zoom or how far out you zoom this factor is a constant and it's partner in crime is chaos. That allows for nothing to ever repeat exactly. So we have infinite change as well as infinite space. With these factors in play, the fabric of time and gravity can be flexible as well without folding back on themselves or interweaving. So all things can go in any direction to a point. Such as time can't go backwards even though in some respects it can appear that way as when a movie is rewound. Because of that, nothing can come back to life and life can't continue after death. That is in terms of the personality surviving death. Can't happen other than being decapitated. But then the head is functionally alive until the blood supply fails which isn't generally that long - unless you're a worm.
  5. If you want to get picky, there is no such thing as intelligent design. There is such a thing as an intelligent designer. Design is the work done by a designer. It has no life, no decision making abilities one way or the other and while a design can form spontaneously on its own, once started it can't reverse it's position and start over. A designer can. The important events that occur in the universe happen on the sub-molecular scale. If we were able to backtrack to the beginning of nothingness, we would find that nothingness wasn't empty. All the basic elements needed probably existed as sub-molecular matter floating in endless space. Movement was probably undetectable and visually, everything would have been black. However, it's an immutable law that nothing is ever completely motionless despite appearances. Eventually motes would have collided. In the utter vastness of endless space, eons must have passed before a second collision occurred. After that, possibly the time between collisions sped up. Like billiard balls caroming off one another. In this case though on some level magnetism must have been involved. Eventually space would have been a maelstrom of infinitely tiny particles flying around at ever increasing speeds. Think of space as a giant collider. As particles became attracted to each other or smashed and stuck together the particles would start to grow. Over time different levels of magnetism on a large scale could be considered gravity. Differing levels of gravity would exist all through the fabric of space. Increasing particle size, movement and friction would eventually generate electricity. Even space conforms to rules or laws that are repeated on earth. What we have here on earth is likely a miniature repetition of what space is really like if you get far enough away from it to close up the gaps between particles. Same thing if you go small enough. There can be no limit to how small or large eternity is. For instance I paint in a style I call Fluid Dynamics. It's similar to fractal art but in my case the creation of my art and the final result is largely dependent on how the molecular particles in the different colours of paint react with one another. Nothing blows up but there is considerable ebb, flow, mixing and not mixing. All of this activity exists on a plane since this isn't a weightless environment. Watching this happen is really interesting. Sometimes I guide the colour in order to achieve a look. I've produced sequences that show in colour how lung tissue grows, how veins form. All sorts of things that have given me insight in to how bodily functions are performed. In space, apparently much the same thing happened. If our universe is viewed from a great enough distance, all of it seems to have oriented itself into a plane. Like paper, this plane has thickness. When my paintings are creating themselves, what I frequently end up with are compositions that look like portions of outer space complete with galaxies, planets, suns, comets and background colours. This all happens in a plane of water. The paint is free to go where it wants. Mind you I have to put in play. But again you can say I've created a version of outer space. Am I god? No. Did I cause any micro life to exist? Almost certainly. There hasn't been any contact yet. So who is to say, my scenario isn't repeated in some way over and over outwards and inwards? Inside a living body, plant or animal, the same things happen as happen in my paintings. There is flow and spontaneous growth. The biggest difference though is that living tissue as I mentioned in my earlier post, can make decisions. The human brain only does some of the decision making. Like the universe, events that make tiny changes eventually prompt noticeable changes Different circumstances presented mean different tactics must be used for survival of the whole and the component parts. Circumstantial stressors at some point caused snails to lick and grind algae and others caused those same snails to believe that dry land was an option that could be explored and with some adaptations, snails eventually spent more and more time out of water than in it. Now we have snails that would drown if you put them in water with no place to crawl out. Evolution is not a magic transformation from one form to another for no good reason. Any successful transformation is the result of decision making and usually a lot of trial and error. So evolution of anything can be called the sum of decision-making. Right now the human race is evolving in countless ways in response to our ability to transcend our formerly limiting boundaries. If you were to examine all human races in a line, you'd notice that humans come in a wide variety of shapes and colours but all built on the same essential platform: a head, neck, torso, arms, hands, legs, feet and so on. We are fat, skinny, short, tall, medium, bent, twisted and our hair can be made to look like anything and be shaved right off. Or it falls off. We come in lots of colours too. Mostly various shades of brown from almost white to brown to black. The Turegs stain themselves blue and we think of Chinese as yellow. They aren't really. In that mixture we now have all of our races, all the shapes, colours and genetic make-ups are being mixed together like never before. The results are people with different genetic traits who look distinctly different than either of their parents. If that were done often enough with parents of the same races being mixed the same way, we'd soon have a new race of humans distinct from every other. That's not what's happening. All of the races to a greater or lesser extent are mixing together and depending on geography we'll end up with conceivably one race that is the melting pot having traits of every race. The least useful traits will disappear. God will have nothing to do with any of it. This process is rightly called evolution. It is not stupid design or intelligent design. It's a process that happens and affects all living things, plant, animal, fungus, virus - you name it.
  6. I agree with everything you've said Bleeding Heart. Christianity has been the cause of more brutality, bloodshed, and every other form of abuse we could imagine and then some. However, one thing we have come to understand in recent years is that we don't need to convert everyone to Christianity. We don't have to kill everyone who disagrees with us. Islam has not arrived at that enlightened state and I doubt it ever will. Not because they lack the intelligence but because we are all going to lack the time. Global Warming and Climate Change, the weather components of Chemical Winter are going to accelerate far beyond what our deluded meteorological scientists have predicted so far. When the ice caps and glaciers melt, they are going to do so all at once. If you have trouble believing that try watching what happens to ice cubes floating in a rum and coke. They seem like they are never going to melt. Then they're gone in heart beat. I used that method to predict the collapse of the Larson B ice shelf in Antarctica. The scientists said in 1998 that it would take a thousand years for the ice shelf to calve from main body. I said it could happen at any time. It was a chunk of ice the size of Rhode Island. Huge. It collapsed in 2002. Africa will be overwhelmed by drought within the next 20 to 50 years if not sooner. Billions will die. Other locations around the equator will be no better off. Take a look at what is happening in the States this summer. Just a taste of things to come. What the scientists should be looking at is maps of what the planet looked like 10,000 years ago to determine what the planet looks like with the ice caps completely melted. That is where we're going and it'll happen fast. Lake Ontario will resemble an inland sea. Most of Toronto will be under water. That sort of thing. Google some old maps and you'll see what i mean. Religion is not going to help at that point.
  7. My original post is based on Christianity because that is the religion I'm most familiar with not because abuse of women is less in other religions. In fact it is generally worse. As for the length, well I don't write in point form. Some misconceptions that need to be cleared up: Abuse of women existed long before the printing press. It's a form of bullying and bullying is part of the nature of all living things as a survival of the fittest trait we are all hardwired with. We educated humans strive to rise above this because we see value in all people, weak or strong. Indeed that is one of the main reasons we are the most successful of the higher life forms. High intelligence is only rarely paired with a superior physique. However it's entirely wrong to assume that members of other species abuse their weaker sexes (not always the female). While bullying does occur, it's again a form of establishing the pecking order as a rule and often only the alpha male and female in a group are allowed to breed. There are thousands of variations on that theme. We as a species though are the only ones who have based all of our our known history on the concept of fashioning our females into objects, slaves, subjects to conduct heinous experiments upon as a matter of course and so on. No religion is exempt and aboriginals were as bad at it as anyone else. It is delusional in the extreme to think that as we've become more educated as a species that we have become less savage and brutal. Current events should continually remind us that our brutish natures exist under a very thin veneer and are harnessed only by Criminal Codes, Justice and Penal Systems and modern forms of communication. For instance, take away the internet and most of the social freedoms won by women would vaporize in very short order. Take away the electrical grid and women would find themselves in a very frightening and dangerous world. As for women in banking, women are making great strides in the banking world. Two of my women neighbours are bank vice-presidents and one of my relatives was one also. It's only a matter of time before women rise to the highest ranks. Their only limitation is men with an agenda. As far as religions go, I once charted all of the world's major religions to see where their differences were in order to see if I could tell where the conflicts came from. They are all the same but for customs. So the religious conflicts are not at all about anything to do with God. They are all to do with the same old thing - trying to establish dominance. Push and shove. If the middle eastern Muslims were fighting to protect the environment from abuse by oil hungry countries, we'd have to be on their side and the war would fizzle out. But the war isn't about that; it's about them trying to protect and spread a super abusive culture globally that promotes abuse of women and children. The oil issue is merely a tactical diversion for them that western countries can't afford to ignore. Therefore, we as a recently more lenient culture and one that believes in the concepts of honour, honesty and fair play are sociologically vulnerable to moderate Islam which is the "foot in the door" for radical Muslimism. That most of these people are good contributing members of our society is beyond dispute. However they and through them, we as a society are in a Trojan Horse situation that Europe is beginning too late to understand the ferocious danger they represent. Even moderate Muslims treat their women like second class citizens by our standards and our mental hospitals are beginning to fill up with their emotionally and physically battered women. This situation is not one they can hide indefinitely. The inherent abusive environment of the Muslim religion is powerfully visible from the vantage point of a mental health professional. At some point we are either going to ban Islam or have a civil war on our hands. Modern history and current events have shown conclusively that Islam is not a religion that values the principles this country was founded on. Same in the US. Since the War of 1812 there has been peace in North America. Now that peace is threatened and the threat has its core the brutal abuse of women and children by people who are trying to perpetuate stone age belief systems.
  8. Margrace what you did was commendable. Clement "jumping" on you tells you something important - you did the right thing and you struck a nerve. Do you seriously think McGuinty will thank me for stirring up a hornet nest in the Legislature by asking him for him to be charged with criminal offenses? Is Premier Wynne likely to give me a hug when she sees me? Tim Hudak, PC Leader, Ontario RE: Your staffer e-mail earlier today on your behalf Dear Tim, Kathleen and Andrea, The item below is posted on a Canadian website devoted to political discussions. It’s a reply to a previous post but it has bearing on the recent actions by the PCs to have McGuinty staffers investigated for suspected criminal activity that could well lead (and ought to lead in my opinion) to criminal charges against McGuinty himself for Breach of Public Trust and Abuse of Power among a number of other things. Failure to achieve this will amount to a further betrayal of public trust and amount to a serious blow against democracy in Ontario. Criminal Charge Backgrounder in the McGuinty gas plant fiasco – the missing e-mails McGuinty is a lawyer. His staff may have lawyers among them. At worst they all have a working knowledge of the law and how it applied to government documents and if they don't, they should have. What that means is that all of them knew that by destroying the e-mails they knew or should have known that what they were about to do before they did it was illegal and carried a jail term with it. What none of them expected was for the public to start yelling for criminal charges to be pressed. As I've said before; in my opinion, this is far from McGuinty's first foray into law breaking and getting away with it. Before the hue and cry over the law breaking, he displayed a shocking level of arrogance and contempt (based on a history of past successes) for the intelligence of Ontarians and a rock solid confidence in Ontarian apathy which has been so well displayed from end to end on this site (Political Forums) as well as by the voting public. Where he went wrong was in thinking that everyone was apathetic. Who was not apathetic? The people who McGuinty and his government committed crimes against in the past and I consider myself to be one of them. When you've been on the receiving end of bullying, regardless of where it comes from, the memory of it stays fresh and never fades. The anger doesn't dissipate. So me and quite a number of others have seen our chance. I would have posted earlier but I've been waiting for a call from Tim Hudak's office. I wanted permission to post a copy of the e-mail one of his staffers sent me this morning explaining how the OPP request for criminal charges was handled. Didn’t happen so I’m writing this instead. This request for charges is not a slam dunk by any means partly because they went to the OPP instead of the RCMP. The OPP are bungling idiots by comparison with the RCMP. I can say this from personal experience with both forces. Both are easily susceptible to corruption and lying as they see fit but the OPP own a level of stupidity that leaves the RCMP in their dust. The other problem is that the Attorney General is the boss of the OPP. So it's not arm’s length. Lots of room for collusion and back room deals. And the Attorney General is John Gerretsen who has let me down on occasion in the past (the gold plated Seaton Land Fraud for instance). In fact he’s always been a roadblock of the worst sort from my perspective. I see no reason to trust him now and plenty of red flags since he can’t help but be involved. In my view he bears watching very, very closely. His being Attorney General now could be one of the major reasons for McGuinty’s arrogance and expectance for getting away with everything. I don't know if this can be fixed. The OPP might fix it themselves by declining to accept the job and pass it over to the RCMP. The other problem is that this is unprecedented and no one in any police force in Canada has any training or template to follow as to how to proceed. As such given their skill at botching simple tasks and the OPP being the most corrupt force in Ontario the outcome may be much worse than we need. If you check the courses of study offered by the Police College you’ll quickly find that Canadian police forces have never trained anyone to deal with elected officials who are so corrupt that they are committing criminal code offenses as a “normal” way of doing business. But this is precisely how the McGuinty Liberals have been running the province. I had quite conversation with one of the instructors there and all he could do was wish me luck and hope that I could keep going long enough to expose the Liberals for what they really are. He wasn’t that hopeful. I can say this because in my dealings with the OPP over the years they've impacted criminal investigations I've done and they've screwed up each and every time. Then there's the street racing legislation, Bill 172 which was enacted fraudulently from end to end and based on “misleading” (I’m being charitable here) information supplied by OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino whom I've known since 1968. Jim Bradley (then Minister of Transport) and his lawyers put road blocks in my path for him so the Standing Committee could never know the truth when it mattered. The Standing Committee who researched and wrote that bill did not receive any correct or intelligent information from the OPP. None of them had a clue what they were doing (including Jim and his incompetent lawyers) or understood anything about the subject of their bill – Street Racing - after they’d written it. Peter Tabuns was the only politician present for the vote who actually knew that they’d make a huge mistake but by then it was too late to speak up without committing career suicide. When the vote was taken, the example cited turned out to be a police chase of an armed robber. That is in Hansard, May 14th, 2007 I if I remember correctly. The passing of that bill led to further OPP corruption, financial rape and government sanctioned insurance fraud against the people the OPP are sworn to protect on a scale of vampirism that hopefully will never be equaled by any other police jurisdiction in Canada. So if the OPP handle this case, we can expect corruption and bungling in capital letters. On the other hand it would be fun to be pleasantly surprised. If so I’ll rethink the Tooth Fairy and the Easter bunny. As a constituent, I don’t see any good choices here. Premier Wynne, there is so much corruption buried deep in the Liberal Party and the government itself that your party does not deserve to rule. Your problem is that you have no clue how to identify where the corruption is and no one inside your party is going to volunteer information. So your future should you survive this is studded with land mines. That is not to say that once in power, any other party would find the corruption within the ranks of the civil servants. They would not. In fact at first they would be in a worse position than you are now. But Tim, most of the province is scared half to death of you. From an environmental point of view for an isolated but far from unique example, it would take a lot for me to believe you would make a good Premier based on the depth of your “natural heritage” knowledge which I believe might be measurable with a micrometer. In this and other ministries (health as another example) a vote for you would appear to be a giant step back into the fifties. People think you’re a Mike Harris clone and you haven’t convinced anyone you aren’t. You can’t lead with a hammer. You may not deserve this reputation but it sticks to you like white on rice and as such are perceived as a non-competitor. You need to fix this fast and it has to be far more than skin deep. You need an internal make-over. Good luck, I sincerely hope you can pull it off. But THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PEOPLE INITIATING THE CRIMINAL CHARGES! For that they deserve public recognition and other honours. That’s how unusual it is to see MPPs do the right thing spontaneously without being driven to it by the public. Andrea, you might be the best option. But since you have never once responded to my requests for help or offers to help I’m not disposed to help you at this point. Much of what is before us now could have been avoided it you had responded to my e-mails to your office back in 2005 and 2006. What we’re doing now with the gas plant issue could have been done then with Seaton only easier. Your staffers were really excited by what I had to say. But you were missing in action. The same thing is going on right now. You are the only one not responding. If you were in power I would expect past performance to be an indicator for the future. No help then, no use now. You could and should topple the government’s budget and go on to win the election. Your party is the best alternative right now but you don’t have the personal dynamics to pull it off. You have a similar problem to Tim. His leadership has the wrong sizzle. Your leadership profile has no sizzle. When you need to step up and seize the moment, you disappear instead. You have a long history of that. Possibly you have important personal reasons. You can’t be faulted for that sort of thing. But if not, you need to start doing the job like a winner instead of an also ran. The Green Party at the provincial level is composed of idiots with no backbone or imagination – a bunch of anal control freaks with nothing to control. I had high hopes for them but none now. For my part, I want to nail the corrupt elements who are in government and expose them to criminal charges. A change in government might make that harder unless the winners agree to help me do it. Wishful thinking and highly unlikely. I believe Premier Wynne has the personal tools to do the best job as Premier but she definitely has the worst supporting cast where long serving MPPs are concerned. However it all shakes out, we need a minority government going forward who is willing to listen to creative thinking such as the stuff I’ve learned from nearly ten years of investigating the McGuinty government. If you Tim manage to win in the event of an election, you’ll need a complete image make-over to pull it off. If you are to win Andrea, you will need a lot of luck and the ability to convince people that someone somewhere in your organization can be persuaded to answer the letters and e-mails we send you. Everyone else does but not you. The Environment, Health and other Ministries that I tacked onto Tim’s shortcomings applies to all of you. None of you are experts and unfortunately from personal experience I can tell you that the ministerial experts you have to rely on aren’t much better informed or educated than you are. It’s appalling. If I weren’t right, we wouldn’t’ be in the mess we are in, in every ministry. I could go on for much longer but that’s enough for now.
  9. Yeah maybe the fact that I spelled it out for Hudak in simplistic terms nudged a switch in his brain. At least his brain has a switch to switch. So Boges, what would it take for you to agree with criminal charges against McGuinty? Murder? The criminal charges that I said could be laid against McGuinty, his staff and the Energy Minister Chris Bentley are only a few of the charges that could be laid. There are lots more that could be laid if they choose to throw the book at him as he richly deserves. Having leaders take advantage of the public as McGuinty has is the way democracies are toppled. It happens slowly. Then people wake up one day and the democratically elected leaders are suddenly entrenched and cannot be dislodged. The National Rifle Association in the US provides a classic case study in what happens when private interests become so powerful that they are capable steering the government against the will of the population. We don't have the NRA here but we do have massive energy interests that have become so powerful that they have our country by the short hairs. Now they have become major financial blood suckers. Think for a moment. Do you think for even a second that the Power interests didn't have a Plan 'B' in case Plan 'A' failed - which it spectacularly did? If they hadn't anticipated this scenario (and the politicians' stupidity) we wouldn't owe 600 million. To their credit they even tried to help McGuinty's gang avoid the penalties. And somehow you don't think McGuinty deserves to be issued his orange suit and an address at Maplehurst (that I personally helped prepare for him). Can you please explain to the rest of us why you think McGuinty deserves mercy? Imagine if the CEO of a private company disposed of 600 million dollars from company coffers in secret. Just gave it all away and kept none for himself but in the hopes that by doing so he was helping friends keep their positions in the same company. What do you suppose would happen? Does Enron come to mind? Not exactly the same but you get my drift. Not financial gain in McGuinty's case but an electoral goal achieved and an ideological goal satisfied. That was personal motive. Not a motive that was intended to directly benefit the public that was at the time taking legal measures to try and fight him off (the Town of Oakville tried a number of legal gambits to protect their constituents from certain harm the gas plants would have caused). Had the gas plants been successful and the subsequent respiratory damage been recorded the charge against McGuinty would have been escalated to GENOCIDE. A much more serious crime. Like I said, what does it take for you understand that our Criminal Code laws are meant to be respected by everyone; private citizen or elected official. If you exempt someone who doesn't deserve it, you are on your way down a very slippery slope.
  10. If you have not yet written your MPP about this, now is the time before you forget. Democracy is fragile. Use it or lose it.
  11. Boges, that is exactly right. McGuinty and his style of governance has been more than a threat to democracy in Ontario. He rule had been a steady erosion of democracy from beginning to end. The Ford thing does not affect democracy. The Harper/Senate issue may end up improving democracy. The reason this site exists is so people can learn what their rights are and start to exercise them. When I was posting here years ago I found the people here were all talk no action. A waste of cyberspace which is saying something. Here it is years later and unless I'm very much mistaken, nothing has changed. The site is still populated with people who are all talk no action. By action I mean writing your MPPs, the Premier, the Attorney General and the Information Officer to get McGuinty and his henchmen in front of a judge. How many of you have done any of that yet? How many of you have urged your friends to do it? Doing these things is just as important as voting if not more so. Taking action like that is how you defend your democratic rights. If you don't take a stand and exercise your rights, you lose those rights. We have been steadily losing democratic ground while McGuinty has been in power. Same with Harris. Different styles, same negative impact on democracy. One a blundering bull, the other a sneaky weasel. If you look south of the border, you see an entire country that boasts about its freedom that essentially has very limited freedoms left and a lot of fear from guns and government corruption. The gun proliferation is a response to corrupt government. Unless we take appropriate steps we'll have that same reign of fear here. Margrace, you represent the majority of Ontarians based on what you said. But I didn't see that you've done anything proactive to help yourself or anyone else. If everyone did that, you'd get your change with the controls we want. But you have to spend a few calories to get them. So if you love your freedoms bother to lift a finger in defense of those freedoms. Go and read at my post with the Abuse of Public Trust for inspiration. All of you who have not yet written not just Margrace.
  12. Read Section 397 of the Criminal Code - that is the applicable legislation. That act does not come with jail time.
  13. One thing for sure, we won't keep our credit rating unless Ontarians show they deserve it and are prepared to hold reckless politicians accountable. Why would any credit company believe we should have a good credit rating if we are not prepared to hold the money managers and spenders to account for what they do? That is exactly why McGuinty has to be indicted! Whew! Heeellllooooo! All three of you have failed to grasp an essential point. It is not about the ability of taxpayers to pay it back. It's about making sure the money is used to create wealth and not misspent. The debt doesn't matter if the money is being used to generate new income streams rather than outflow streams. If you create income streams properly, they pay for themselves. McGuinty created outflow streams. His idea of an economy was one that feeds on itself. Your body cannot be well if you are chewing off your own arm. No one is going to give you a pay raise for doing that. Real estate development is a cannibalistic industry. It destroys land futures and future sources of food. It does not attract new revenue from outside the country. It makes our natural heritage and farmlands smaller inch by inch acre by acre. That is backwards. We have to find a way to compete on the world market or become a slave of it instead of a master. Chewing up land is not sound economic thinking. If England did that there wouldn't be room for a single blade of grass or a sidewalk anywhere in the country. Because we aren't producing and exporting anything we are adding debt. You can't service debt if everyone is in debt and the industrial climate is designed to prevent free enterprise. Reducing industrial and business taxes and fuel taxes would get the country's entrepreneur's rolling again. Start-ups don't make a lot of money at first and high fuel costs for instance are a massive road block to start ups. Small business is what this country runs on, yet all levels of government are bloodsuckers sucking small business dry. And then people wonder why the debt load is so high. You guys must all be students with no work experience not to understand this instantly.
  14. Thank your lucky stars for each and every good teacher you had. Hope like hell you escaped relatively unscathed from the bad ones. The problem as I see it is one where there is a systemic lack of respect going both ways that has generated a race to the bottom. Who's to blame? Well in the sixties a social revolution occurred. Students started to rebel against their teachers and got away with it to the point where dress codes changed, faltered and were discontinued. There were no drugs. Then there were. The students of the sixties became parents of the seventies and eighties and their drug habits grew with them. Swearing by children, unknown in the fifties got worse and worse to the point where everyone swears as part of normal communication. Religion in Canada is dying and that's long overdue. But religion was the basis for teaching manners, ethics and humanity. Nothing has replaced it in schools and it was lost at home in the early seventies. As a result there is a void where self respect and mutual respect once lived. The cowboys and Indians shooting each other on TV in the fifties became super heroes and thugs blowing up everything in sight. So now we have socially stunted Muslims running around blowing things up for real, not throwing paper airplanes. They have what they consider a just cause. They think their religion is under threat and that a good defense is a violent offense. Abuse of women is a way of life. It was for us too until a federal Liberal backbencher inadvertently opened that can of worms in the early the seventies. Where girls were treated with respect and decency in public mostly up until the advent of internet porn movies, slipping morals have deteriorated to the point where young rapists think rape is so normal they have to have the offense explained to them and still they don't get it. Until ethics, good manners and humanity are mandatory subjects at school, we get what we deserve.
  15. Well I've defined for you CliffStir how the thieves can be sent to jail. If you really want to put your money where your mouth is, you need to say so under the proper thread where we can use it to make your wish reality. That I think would make both of us happy and strengthen democracy in Ontario.
  16. Thank you for the explanation Boges. I was beginning to wonder if I was preaching to the brain dead. We don't have to go so far as to call what McGuinty did criminal. That's not our job. Our job is to draw attention to the fact that it looks to us like a crime was committed and the perpetrator should be arraigned and stand trial to answer in a court of law for what he did. If we don't do that, we're asking to get it up the ass again. There is no doubt that Wynne is doing an admirable job with the mess she inherited. There is also no doubt in my mind that Hudak would undo the Oak Ridges Moraine and open it up for development. For that reason alone, that man must never be put in the Premier's chair. As for my assertion that McGuinty should go to trial for the gas plants; I researched the legislation with a magnifying glass and he fits the bill like it was written especially for him. This is not his first crime either in my opinion as I've said. I've been following his career intently since 2005. There has never been an Ontario politician with so little regard for the law or so arrogant that he never even bothered to hide the evidence. The Seaton Land fraud's evidence is architectural and data based and is also enshrined as part of the real estate documentation. It can't be changed or hidden to hide fraud. I even know the name of the guy who actually did the physical work to commit the fraud for the government. He's where I got part of the information and why I believe that Seaton is not an isolated fraud. The difference between your normal frauds and corruption is that the stuff McGuinty has been involved in is extremely complicated at times and some of what he's done has taken years to figure out. It took me about four years to figure out all the crimes associated with the Seaton Land fraud for instance. The big problem is that nothing can be done about any of it without massive public will behind the initiative to make it happen. That means the press, TV and radio need to be involved to the point where the government is embarrassed into having him indicted. It isn't something a private citizen can do or would have deep enough pockets to contemplate. Once there is an indictment that should spark a larger inquiry into other stuff his government has done. He is far from the only person involved in these other cases but he is the leader. This is an opportunity that won't come again. It's a golden opportunity for the public to teach elected officials and civil servants who they are working for and that if the rules aren't obeyed willingly there is legal recourse. But we have to seize this opportunity. So if people on this site represent the Choir and really aren't brain dead, then it's time the choir started to sing and start earning their democracy.
  17. If a politician commits a crime; like anyone else he should do the time. When a politician does the crime and walks, the electorate sends a message to that politician. That message is that we deserve to get screwed over and over good and hard. And thank you very much for abusing our faith in you. The politician also sends a message: BEND OVER WHILE I DO IT TO YOU AGAIN. McGuinty has been sending that 'bend over' message ever since he came to power starting with what my research identified as the Seaton Land fraud and since then he has compiled a resume we should all hope is never equalled. The Breach of Public Trust legislation was written to protect us from people like him. If we don't have the guts to use the tools we were given what does that say about us? Canadians have a system of justice known as the Rule of Law. No one is above the law. But if McGuinty walks on the gas plant issue, we've thrown our democratic rights out the window. Millions of people have fought and died to give us those rights and expected us to use them to ensure democracy for future generations in perpetuity. To allow ourselves to be abused as I believe McGuinty has abused every living and future Ontarian is to declare all those millions of ultimate sacrifices in two World Wars and others since were a waste of time and lives. That's what you are saying to them. Charging McGuinty with Breach of the Public Trust does not indicate he is guilty regardless of how I feel. I'm no lawyer. But the laws are there to test the person and the events. If he is found guilty, he goes to jail. If not then he can hold his head up high and walk with a clear conscience. But until he has had his day in court, he will not be able to do that. I provided the legislation under a different thread. If you haven't read it yet do it. Learn what it means. It's your duty as a citizen of this Country. That is why this forum exists - to give us a voice and to provide a stepping stone to getting that voice noticed. So why am I the voice in the wilderness on such an obvious point?
  18. The worst thing would be to let McGuinty off the hook. Otherwise you ensure that you get the government you deserve regardless of which party is in power. So far I haven't seen anyone comment who deserves a better government than what McGuinty served up on either of the threads.
  19. Wynne couldn't be part of the decision to cancel the gas plants. Nor could anyone else who stood a chance of succeeding McGuinty. If they were, there would be no point in McGuinty resigning. No break in the accountability chain. Including them would have completely sunk the Liberal's ship. Whoever succeeded McGuinty needed as clear a slate as possible or have zero credibility. That shows I think that McGuinty knew that what he was doing was wrong, reckless and arrogant. That's Breach of Public Trust territory. What he may not have expected was for Wynne to admit the gas plant cancellations were politically motivated - another Breach of Public Trust requirement - corruption at a high level. If you haven't read the thread on Breach of Trust, you might want to give it a read. I think McGuinty needs to be fitted for an orange jump suit.
  20. Back in 2008 I wrote a self-published book titled ABUSE OF POWER. It was about Bill 172 - the street racing legislation. Part of the book required me to research what is known as the Ontario Road Safety Annual Report (ORSAR). I analysed the data gathered by police on every aspect of traffic accidents from 1988 up to the latest numbers which at that time were for 2006. It takes anywhere from a year to two years for the data to be compiled. What the data indicated was that speed is involved in traffic accidents less than 7% of the time. It is rarely the cause of an accident. Street racing which was what was on the public's mind at the time accounts for .002% of fatal accidents and the same can be said for non-fatal accidents. Parked cars represent another .08% Distracted drivers cause 80% of accidents. Police spend most of their spare time and a huge portion of their budget trying to catch speeding drivers. They are not serving and protecting anyone most of the time. They are imposing a road tax that finds its way back into the police budget. There is nothing honest about this. Most of the distracted drivers are distracted by their passengers over whom they cannot have complete control 100% of the time despite what the law unrealistically requires. The people who cause the most accidents and thus carnage on the roads are people who are not drivers, have no driver's license, don't know how to drive and have no automobile insurance. How do you target these people? So far we have no way of doing that so the real perpetrators get away with their crimes and the driver who is generally completely innocent gets nailed. The 80% number comes to you directly from the Canadian Automobile Insurance Association. They compiled the data. In the USA their National Automobile Insurance Association came up independently with the same 80% number and since I wrote my book the numbers have stayed the same as have most of the numbers in the ORSAR. The numbers are unassailable. However our automobile insurance premiums are mostly affected by speeding tickets. Using speeding tickets as a yardstick of driver competence is fraudulent and historically unjustifiable. What that means is our insurance industry has been committing a financial rape of their clients who are legally required to have automobile insurance. This is way beyond simple fraud. Essentially the government has made fraud and theft an operational mandate for the auto insurance sector. Every driver is a victim regardless of driving record. For the NDP to demand a 15% roll back in premiums is the bare minimum of what could and should be asked and imposed. There is only one aspect of speed and auto insurance premiums that affect the rates. The higher the speed the greater the chance of injury and death. Fatal accidents are cheaper than injuries and the most expensive injuries happen at low speeds. So higher speed limits can be said to be in everyone's best interests. When the speed limit on the 401 was lowered from 70 mph to 60 mph, supporters of the speed limit reduction - including the police said the lower limit would reduce the number of fatal accidents. It did not. The 60 mph (100 kph) speed limit on the 401 is maintained for incompetent drivers who have no business on the 401. The slower speed makes them feel safer but the numbers tell us they are no safer at any speed. Incompetence does not need a speed limit. Speed limits are not based on safe operation of an automobile. They are based on safe operation of cement mixers, cranes, school buses and other ungainly, unaerodynamic vehicles that all individually weigh many tons more than a car or light truck. All cars today are more than capable of negotiating any 400 series of highways at 90 mph. with ease. What reduced the number of fatal accidents since the speed reduction was new car architecture. Cars are structurally safer and old fashioned drum style front brakes are gone. Front drum brakes in moderate to heavy traffic that requires repeated use of brakes is like driving with no brakes at all due to a phenomenon known as brake fade. So even antique cars are commonly upgraded to disc brakes on the front. Most accidents happen to drivers between the ages of 18 to 55 - not because they are worse drivers per capita but because there are so many more drivers of that age on the road. Insurance companies suck blood from that demographic and have since the advent of the baby boomers. Mind you the baby boomer demographic is still being parasitized by the insurance industry for other fictional biological traits that only happen to baby boomers. The youngest drivers have more accidents because they are more likely to have passengers who are uncontrollable by the driver not because they are poor drivers. That their passengers tend to die more frequently than the actual driver is because the driver has a steering wheel to hold on to and instinctively takes avoidance measures to save him or herself in a split second. Most injury and fatal accidents happen on straight stretches of two lane roads with perfect visibility, dry roads, no intersections, no alcohol or other health issues and speed is not a factor. This what the data collected by the police tells us. Another aspect of this issue is that when the 15% insurance premium reduction hits, soon after all home owners will be hit with a household insurance premium hike that will more than make up for the auto sector shortfall. The insurance sector in its many iterations is no friend to the consumer. It's a parasitic industry that requires a lot more objective oversight and legislative restrictions than it currently gets. Under both Liberal and Conservative governments the insurance industry rapes and pillages at will and only grudgingly makes payouts. Fraud is certainly an issue but the insurance companies can certainly do a lot more to protect themselves and us from fraud they say drives up rates than the bare minimum they do. The numbers tell us that by far it's the people running the insurance companies who are committing the frauds not their clients. The answer fraud on the consumer end is in upgraded automotive technology to make cars far more difficult to steal. The technology exists but is still out of reach for most consumers.
  21. When an infrastructural initiative is proposed at any level, municipal, regional, provincial or federal, it is done as a rule, under the radar. The first people to find out about it are zoning officials who do not disclose to the public what they do or they wouldn't have a job. It's not until the issue makes it to a local council meeting that anyone in the public finds out about it and at that stage it's often too late to stop. Millions of dollars have already been spent and deals signed. The number of watchdogs in a given social setting are numerically small, sometimes only one person who hears about the initiative actually understands the long term impacts of the initiative. The Seaton Land Transfer ended up as a twenty million dollar fraud perpetrated by the Liberals in Pickering and only two people - me and one other rode herd on that issue long term. Neither of us from start to finish. The other guy started and I'm still going. The media ignored the whole thing. During the process though lots of people were on board eventually and it turned out that no one in Pickering who didn't have a financial interest in the proposed developments wanted Pickering's farmlands and natural heritage lands developed. But before the public really found out about it, a naturalist group known as the Green Door Alliance had already signed a deal on behalf of the rest of us and without the rest of us knowing, with the province to save 60% of the land and develop the other 40%. That happened before the public in general knew anything was going on and before the Environmental Assessment found that the Pickering Seaton Lands were even more valuable than the Richmond Hill lands for which they were being exchanged. To stop it at that point would have cost the province billions (so they thought, but even that wasn't true) so the province pushed the exchange through and committed fraud in the process. At no point could any group or even the entire Region of Durham have afforded to cancel the developments once they reached the point where the penalties could be invoked by the developers - unless the deal itself could have been proven to be illegal - which I believe it was based on my Criminal Code research. The province didn't want to take the risk and let the fraud stand. It's such a flagrant real estate fraud that it can never be covered up. And the methodology used to commit the fraud is a technique the province uses frequently when conducting Environmental Assessments. So as much as the Seaton Land EA was done fraudulently, many others are done the same way. So the province commits real estate fraud over and over. in doing so, they influence the real estate market using fraudulent data. There is no way for a community of any size in Ontario to fight off a provincial initiative when the province can and does resort to fraud to steamroller local opposition. Since McGuinty took office, our provincial government has been run more like an organized crime family than as a democracy. That was likely true before he came along and maybe has always been the case. But in McGuinty's case, in my view, he doesn't even bother to hide the crimes. They're right out there in plain sight if you know what to look for. Luckily for him, most Ontarians can't be bothered to look. They'd rather be fleeced. The only way politicians will pay attention to what the public wants them to do is if we start using the legislation available to us to make them accountable. In the gas plant case it happens to be Breach of the Public Trust. The big problem we have is how to have McGuinty formally charged with the offense. You can be assured no MPP is going to want to make that happen. As an elected official they are inclined to look they other way because at some point the spot light might swing its focus to them. So for anything short of murder, MPPs are not about to invite a police investigation without massive public support. By me posting here, I am trying to get that particular ball to start rolling. McGuinty meets all the criteria for being charged. The money involved is touted as 600 million. But that does not include the money it took to get the gas plant projects to the point they were when cancelled and doesn't count the money it will cost to deal with the land and infrastructure that will remain after all is said and done. It doesn't count the financial impact on the economy or on each and every working person in Ontario for many years to come. Charging him with Breach of Public Trust should be a slam dunk. But so far I'm the only one talking about it. What is wrong? Is it me or is it everyone else? So far this thread hasn't attracted much attention. Maybe because of the long weekend.
  22. Here is a link to the timeline: http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2013/04/30/gas_plant_timeline_on_the_life_and_death_of_two_gas_plants.html
  23. The law does not discount the fact that there may be a public good component. In this case if the ridings in question had been PC or NDP ridings the plants would have been built regardless of public good. The public good in this case was not the key factor; votes for Liberal MPPs was the deciding factor. Since it has been admitted by no less than the subsequent Premier that the cancellations were politically motivated, I'd say McGuinty has been thrown under the bus by his own party. It's not one of those things where you can say he sort of did it but he sort of didn't. He did it for political reasons, not public good. Public good was merely a whitewash excuse. If public good were really at issue, then the Individual Environmental Assessment that the Town of Oakville requested of Environment Minister John Gerretsen would have been granted. It was not. Instead to protect its constituents from the province, the Town of Oakville was compelled to enact its own Air Quality Protection legislation and started immediately to enforce it. I've never heard of a Municipality taking that kind of action before. That is desperation. When the issue became radioactive the cancellations were dealt with in secret and with great speed apparently, according to McGuinty himself, no consideration for costs involved. It must be remembered why we have elected officials. Our elected officials exist to ensure that actions taken and money spent are in the public's best interests. In this case, the public's best interests weren't met initially with the placement of the sites and weren't again when McGuinty resorted to secrecy to terminate the deals. If the deals had been cancelled in a public forum with proper scrutiny, the process would have taken longer than the time available before the election 13 days - so the only way the cancellations could happen fast enough was to do it in secret without due process - another aspect of the Breach of Trust. This issue cannot be properly considered without the time frame, the election, the process, the money, the motives and who the intended beneficiaries really were since the welfare of the constituents was not enough to prompt the EA. The cancellation was a clear cut crime with a motive, a payout and a province full of victims - us.
  24. I just read the thread where a lot of whining was done about McGuinty and his cancellation of the power plants. The bottom line for me is this: He took it upon himself to cancel the power plants for his party's political gain to retain important seats in the then upcoming election and thus retain power for the Liberals. This was admitted by Kathleen Wynn. It is cast in stone; no one including McGuinty has denied it. Below is how the Criminal Code defines such an action: Breach of trust by public officer 122. Every official who, in connection with the duties of his office, commits fraud or a breach of trust is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, whether or not the fraud or breach of trust would be an offence if it were committed in relation to a private person. R.S., c. C-34, s. 111. Elements of Offence [edit] The Crown should prove the following:[1] 1. The accused is an official; 2. The accused was acting in connection with the duties of his or her office; 3. The accused breached the standard of responsibility and conduct demanded of him or her by the nature of the office; 4. The conduct of the accused represented a serious and marked departure from the standards expected of an individual in the accused’s position of public trust; and 5. The accused acted with the intention to use his or her public office for a purpose other than the public good, for example, for a dishonest, partial, corrupt, or oppressive purpose. 1. ↑ R v Boulanger 2006 SCC 32 at para. 58 The key here is that the power plant cancellations were not done for the public good. What motivated the cancellations was the preservation of Liberal seats. If the Liberal seats were taken out of the equation, we know the power plants would not have been cancelled. That according to the language of the Criminal Code of Canada makes what McGuinty did a crime for which he should be punished in a court of law. That is my view. Tell me what you think - Am I right or am I wrong? Is there any reason why he should get away with this (alleged) crime when you consider that by his actions he has stolen a lot of money from every Ontarian's future income once the payments have to start being paid. Why should he and his party not be paying for this crime? I understand that many people fear Hudak would be worse as premier. Considering the scope of McGuinty's misdeeds while in office, his would be a hard record to break. If McGuinty's record weren't so horrendous, I'd be inclined to believe. But as of right now, I don't think Hudak could scale those heights. I could be wrong.
  25. Yes and a transitional ape skeleton has now been found as reported on the Science Daily website. So the evolution question has been put to bed conclusively. Sacred cows die hardest.
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