CliffStir

repeat after me ; Unions are only interested in what's best for the people.

So Wynne wasn't part of the team? How in the hell did she become leader then? That is such an apologist's attitude. These thieves should be in jail for the thefts and incompetence they have perpetrated against Ontarians and you want to re-elect them ???!!!! Wynne was a willing participant no matter what you believe . The only other possibility is that she is so naive that she should be banned from any leadership role whatsoever till her dying day! (Just like "I never saw Nuthin' but elect me Prime Minister anyways" Paul Martin. She chose to support her party throughout the entire debacle that McSquinty headed up. From driving out business to driving up hydro fees and their own salaries. Implementing taxes after promising they wouldn't. cutting back on health services. She took her raises just like the rest of them. She was a member of the liberal crime syndicate of Ontario just like the rest of them. She deserves to go to jail just like the rest of them. Give your head a shake man! Kids are starving in this province due to lack of funds. But McSquinty and his band of merry thieves all got got an extra $16,000 to $49,000 pay raises tacked onto their already excessive salaries. People are dying from lack of funds for life saving procedures. But we pay Chris Mazza over a million dollars salary to hire a girlfriend and jetset around the world. Meanwhile Helicopters are sitting not being used and , yup, people die from lack of access to equipment. An estimated 9500 smog related deaths a year in Ontario. But instead of putting scrubbers on Coal fired hydro plants the Liberals pissed millions away to protect a couple of seats. Under the Liberals the Sunshine list has grown to unprecedented proportions. And now they say they don't have the money we gave them to manage the province properly. And people want to give these guys the keys to the office again?? I cant understand it at all. In the world I grew up in you don't reward lying and incompetence. The list of reasons NOT to vote liberal is too massive to list here, but yet the liberal sheeple of Ontario just might vote them back into power. If that happens, we are doomed.

It's about choice, which some on here just don't seem to get. And it's about yet another facet of our lives that the government has no right being involved in. They say it's for our own good, but it's really about massive profits at the tax payer's expense. Again. Follow the money!

I've noticed with all the rhetoric and arguing over who does or doesn't support what new taxes, er, revenue tools that not once has our elected leadership even suggested fiscal responsibility, or fraud prevention, or government accountability going forward.. Personally, I'd like to put forward the idea of seizing the assets of the likes of Chris Mazza who have systematically defrauded the tax payer under the ever watchful and diligent eyes of those entrusted with the keys to the cash box. Incompetence and theft rule the day once again, and we all just accept that the only penalty for these crimes will be that someone won't be reelected (hopefully), but we will continue to pay the con artists that have already stolen our wallets in the first place. How can anyone in or out of government rationalize that?? we need a tax revolt

So they force green energy on us. increasing the cost of hydro. They drive businesses out of the province, reducing the need for the more expensive hydro. resulting in an excess of hydro. So we sell it at a loss to the USA. Proof that governments cannot get anything right at all. Google the word clusterf*ck and it takes you to the Liberal Party's website. They get raises in the thousands and we all get to pay the tab. It's got to end!

I'm sure someone will claim god put it there for some unfathomable reason. God does work in mysterious ways, haven't you heard?

' Unfortunately, that's really probable. The biggest problem with Ontario's government isn't so much that MqSquinty was a bigger liar and thief than most politician's lately (that or more incompetent than most), but that there seems no way to not only hold him and his band of merry (Con) Men accountable for their blatantly obvious shenanigans but worse, there seems to be no way to get the system changed as to avoid this in the future. This seems to be true at all levels of our government, and until there is a tax revolt demanding accountability, I see no end in sight to the abuse. For the most part, recent history shows that all our elected officials talk a great deal about "cleaning up" and imposing "accountability", and all sorts of "pie in the sky", initiatives at the outset. But reality shows that that attitude lasts only until they have learned how to play the game. That usually takes no more than a term or two for far to many of them. The record speaks for itself; no matter what the portfolio, it seems that as soon as you start digging into the details you start finding all sorts of irregularities, mismanagement, missing documents, missing money, nepotism, and outright theft disguised as waste. Can anyone point to any project managed by our government (at any level) that could be used as a shining example of the proper way to do things? Anyone? I'm sure there's got to be one somewhere, I just can't seem to think of any. The system is broken and unsustainable the way it is currently set up. There needs to be some pretty significant changes made before the whole pyramid scheme collapses around our necks.

There's a huge gap between functioning in the contemporary world without a smart phone as opposed to going back in time to a totally unfamiliar world before when even the animals and plants of today have yet to evolve. But that being said, I would probably have a better than even chance based on the wide variety of skills I have picked up since my years as a scout leader. In today's reality though, it has come to light that a lot of basic skills are missing from today's generation. One recent article I read talks about how even something as simple as replacing a faucet washer is beyond the ken of today's young adults. So my point really was that today's kid's rely on a high tech world to do their thinking for them, and when the entire eastern seabord's power goes off again for three days, or the next pandemic or massive earthquake hits, or the next asteroid that intersects our planet's orbit occurs, there will be those with a reliance on hi-tech, and those with the ability to think a problem through using the good ol' mark 2 human brain. I know what group I'd be investing in.

It seems that Agnostics and atheists are more 'giving' (or at least carry more in the way of paper money)

After 4 threads trying to justify why you deserve so much more than those paying you, I would hope not.

I have to strongly disagree with you on that one. True education provides the skill sets and ability to survive when the smartphone isn't available. Those skills and abilities are blatantly missing from today's generation. Without their smartphone, all too many people today are hopelessly lost.

Always loved this guy's humour

Because we are in Canada????????? And these are Canadian institutions that were built by Canadian money from Canadian citizen's? I rather doubt that when these banks need assistance to survive an economic downturn or some other financial calamity that India's taxpayers will be donating to the cause. Nope, the rich executives will be sitting on their yachts in the south pacific while our government uses our money to bail them out. You already see it happening around the world and to think we are immune is just hiding our heads in the sand.

I guess Billions of dollars in profits quarterly is just not enough for the overpaid ceo's and executives of our banks. If they were really trying for "cost savings and efficiency" then they should cut back on those obscene salaries and perks that come out of their customer's accounts. This is just yet another example of how those with the ability to make the rules make them to suit themselves. The bonuses and benefits paid to these elitists all comes out of our pockets. and while I won't begrudge anyone a decent wage for a job well done, this is just greed, pure and simple. It used to be that you'd take your kid with his first ten dollars down to open a bank account in an effort to teach them fiscal responsibility, but these days you have to explain why those same dollars just seem to evaporate via service charges and fees. Those 'service' fees keep going up and considering the last time I stepped into a bank instead of doing it myself (which the banks all said would let them REDUCE fees and improve 'Service', it just goes to show how greedy these institutions are. One of the biggest pyramid schemes of all times. These institutions these days are all about moving money out of the average Joe's pocket and putting it into yet even more yachts and mansions for an already bloated bureaucratic old boy's club. "initiatives that enhance the client experience" my ass! My bank account certainly hasn't been 'enhanced' by these gluttonous institutions.

No one cares about spelling and grammar anymore? That's the problem, and I dare say, one of the main reasons that educated people (you know; the ones that can spell and put a coherent sentence together?) feel that teachers are getting paid well enough as it is. If you are not going to teach the three R's any more than why the heck should we be paying you more? Math is obviously not important to teachers any more either, since it should be obvious to anyone with a (old style obviously) grade 5 education that you can't take more tax dollars out of the pot than you put in. And the Politician's have allready cleaned out the cookie jar so there's nothing left for teachers. Teachers in this province have one of the best deals going compared to the tax payer, so please stop whining about how hard done to the teachers are in this province. I ain't buying it. That's not to say that I don't respect teachers, and it doesn't mean I don't beleive they should be paid well and fairly for the task they do. I just don't buy into the constant whining and 'woe is me' attitude Not when I see what they get back from the system. And the Libs did what Politician's do. Rob Peter to pay Paul, then when Peter finally pushes back, they do the reverse. Hell, it's not as if it's THEIR money eh?!? And by the way, look around the world and look at history; the better the education available to the massess the less oppression there is. The two best ways to keep people under your thumb is to keep them illiterate and then hook them on religious superstition. cheaper in the long run than paying thugs and goons to browbeat your subjects into compliancy. So YOU may not think that proper spelling and grammar is important, and if you ARE in fact about to become a teacher, then that's yet more proof that teachers are getting too much from the system.

But if you really want fun, direct a Torontonian driver to the Dorval Circle and watch their brains explode.

1. How did life originate? According to some guy who didn’t even know that washing his hands before eating could cause sickness, or that thunder was a side affect of lightning and not angry gods, or that the Sun would come up the next day whether one prostrated oneself or not, life was created by some omnipotent being. The main proof of this being’s existence comes from the argument that because we can’t create life but life does exist, then it must have been created by a GOD. Look; it’s obvious that such a complex thing as LIFE could not have come about by itself surely!! So it must have been created by something so much MORE complex. (we’ll just ignore the question of where did this god come from because it doesn’t fit with these beliefs and since these beliefs are the ONLY ones tolerated then it follows that these are IRRELEVANT questions anyways. Hallelujah!!! 2. How did the DNA code originate? Curious men and woman using the brains that god gave them have been pursuing the answer to that question for some time now. And while the answer hasn’t presented itself with any certainty yet, there are some interesting theories and ideas that are being pursued to explain how this mechanism came into existence. 1 extremely early theory that was developed before anything was known about DNA was since man didn’t create it and there for we couldn’t EXPLAIN it (yet) then it must be magic, and we know magic falls squarely into the domain of god or witches and since someone once wrote that we shouldn’t TOLERATE witches,then for our arguments we can discount them. So the answer must be that DNA came from god. (couldn’t we have just looked up the answer to that one in the Bible??) 3. How could mutationsaccidental copying mistakes (DNA letters exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? Ah yes. The ever present confabulation of how did a Microbe (or monkey) turn into a Microbiologist (or Man) There’s always the possibility that billions of DNA molecules, in Billions of creatures, over billions of years adds up to extremely huge numbers of DNA molecules. 4. Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as evolution, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? Observation, testing, and willingness to look at facts and evidence without bias. In fact, this process has been used by farmers and animal breeders for many many generations often to the point of ridiculousness, and very often to the detriment of the species in question. 5. How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? I don’t think we have enough time or space on this thread to even begin to look at all the ideas and theories and possibilities that are being looked into in an effort to answer this question. But then It’s probably a little more complex than: “I don’t understand it so it must be GOD” 6. Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? No need to invent a magical being just because you can’t understand something and since science tries not to make any assumptions and just follow the evidence and evidence seems to show that species adapt to their environments over time, then it would follow that even though it may LOOK like a creature was designed in it’s current state it actually has adapted over time and it’s current design is only the latest in an ongoing re-branding. 7. How did multi-cellular life originate? See 1 2 and 3 8. How did sex originate? The condoms were piling up and someone had to start using them! 9. Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Erosion? Weather? The fact that this type of evidence isn’t conducive to being left lying around long enough for someone today to even recognize it for what it is? One theory is that a special secretive department in the Vatican is responsible for erasing any evidence that doesn’t fit their agenda. 10. How do living fossils remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years? You don’t REALLY understand the theories you are trying to denigrate do you??? It's really quite simple. the living fossils fit their environment quite comfortably and haven't been forced to adapt to changing conditions. The members of the original species that DID change in some way are now DIFFERENT from the original. (which also goes to explain how DIFFERENT species came about. as well as WHY there are STILL monkeys, even though they have also evolved into MAN) 11. How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? The debate rages on about this, but it is generally thought that intelligence, added surviveability to a species and therefore tended to be passed on to subsequent generations. The Stupid genes usually led to being eaten earlier rather than later in life thereby REDUCING the chance that these traits would be passed on. Altruism and morality are not included as different cultures have different morals. (i.e child sex is morally accepted in some cultures but not in ours. same goes with the use of violence or the keeping of slaves. And I could never understand the morals of the truly religious to condemn Homosexuals yet protect members of their own clergy who have been accused or caught having gay underage sex with choirboys.. It just goes to show how complex the whole question of morality is and how it can be twisted to one's own ends. This is evident in the way it would be accepted that a moral and compassionate god would create cancer, MS, down syndrome, malaria, bubonic plague, leprosy, etc. etc. 12. Why is evolutionary just-so story-telling tolerated? Not sure I understand this question but it kind of sounds like the typical religious concept of NOT TOLERATING any ideas that don’t mimic one’s own personal beliefs. 13. Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? The carrot? The Shi-Tzu?, The turkey you had for easter? Archaeopteryx ? Trilobytes? the Petrified forest in Arizona? 14. Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? Oh, you are talking about the HISTORY of evolution? Or evolution itself? Evolution as a theory attempts to explain the mechanisms by which a species adapts to changes in it’s environment. It’s not a theory of history. 15. Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? I don’t know why the bible is taught in classes. You would think in this enlightened age of computers and modern medicine that a story passed down by word of mouth for generations before it was ever committed to paper then revised time and again and ultimately re-written would be taken with a hefty dose of salt.

Although you really really really have to ask why we still give financial aid to China!!!

In Canada 93,000 people each month access a food bank for the first time and 38% of those are children and youth. So giving Canadian tax dollars to corrupt regimes around the world, or providing UN member countries a forum to promote their racist and oppressive ideologies is absolutely unconscionable in my opinion. The fact of the matter is and always has been that the money earmarked to help starving children in too many parts of the world is sucked up by already overpaid and greedy politicians and their friends. How much have we already poured into Haiti as an example? and those people are still living in the street. Canadian tax dollars should be spent on our own starving kids before a single penny is given to some rich dictator who couldn't care less if his own people are starving in the streets.

And, if I remember correctly, the Ontario Provincial Liberals included a clause last year that automatically gives MPs an increase whenever the Feds get one (that was AFTER the extra $45k that Dalton gave himself). Based on performance? not while they hold the keys to the cash box with no accountability.

Sorry, but based on their performance (all Parties and ALL MPs) they should be refunding the tax payer. When ALL the people affected by our government's policies and activities get THEIR 'cost of living' increase THEN and ONLY then can they look at one for themselves. These yahoos don't need the increase anywhere near as much as hundreds of thousands of Canadians do. I think we have forgotten who the government is there to serve.