Lenny_Bruce Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Yet another International Embarassment for Canada. Our government praising an Illegal Act of International Murder. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/05/john-baird-backs-israeli-airstrikes-raises-concerns-about-radical-jihadists-in-syria-2/ Addendum: Once again Canadian Neo-Conservatives end up on the opposite side of Scientists. Stephen Hawking joins academic boycott of IsraelPhysicist pulls out of conference hosted by president Shimon Peres in protest at treatment of Palestinians Last week he wrote a brief letter to the Israeli president to say he had changed his mind. He has not announced his decision publicly, but a statement published by the British Committee for the Universities of Palestine with Hawking's approval described it as "his independent decision to respect the boycott, based upon his knowledge of Palestine, and on the unanimous advice of his own academic contacts there". http://www.guardian....cott?CMP=twt_gu Edited May 8, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote
Hudson Jones Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Israel is a rogue state. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Fletch 27 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 I don't understand how this is an "Embarassment for Canada".. How are we emberassed by this? Yet another International Embarassment for Canada. Our government praising an Illegal Act of International Murder. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/05/john-baird-backs-israeli-airstrikes-raises-concerns-about-radical-jihadists-in-syria-2/ Quote
TimG Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Israel is a rogue state.There are at least two sides to every conflict. Your absolute refusal to learn about and understand the motivations of one side makes your comments on the situation completely useless. If you actually cared about the plight of the Palestinians you would make an effort to understand Israel POV because there will be no resolution unless the legitimate concerns of Israel are addressed. Edited May 6, 2013 by TimG Quote
PIK Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 So syria is sending weapons to hamas to kill more jews, but nobody says a word ,untill they strike out to defend themselves and it is their fault. Then syria says that is a declaration of war, syria declared war on Israel decades ago, did they forget? But they anti-semantics on this board run to deep for people to really have a handle on what really is going on. The jones of the world should read up on the 1930's to see what they are doing, is the same as then. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Topaz Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Foreign policy from Canada is a mess and the Baird doesn't realize or cares the reaction in the world. Many countries are putting their respect, which Canada had before the Harper era, in the back, like the MP backbenchers. Israel, will always come first with this government and maybe the missing 3.1 Bil. went to Israel, since the US is having money problems. BTW, I've read that the rebels have collection to terrorist, the US and Canadians have fought against. Quote
PIK Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) We have a foriegn policy that is what confuses you liberals. Liberal fence sitting is not a foriegn policy or is supporting dictators. I imagine we will find out that missing money went missing during the chretien rule. That is why justin is keeping his mouth shut. Isreal is a peacefull democratic country surounded by Islamic fanatics bent on the destruction of Israel. How does one support the goverments of Iran, egypt and other messes against Israel, that blows me away. Foreign policy from Canada is a mess and the Baird doesn't realize or cares the reaction in the world. Many countries are putting their respect, which Canada had before the Harper era, in the back, like the MP backbenchers. Israel, will always come first with this government and maybe the missing 3.1 Bil. went to Israel, since the US is having money problems. BTW, I've read that the rebels have collection to terrorist, the US and Canadians have fought against. Edited May 6, 2013 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
TimG Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Foreign policy from Canada is a mess and the Baird doesn't realize or cares the reaction in the world.Actually, there is no 'reaction in the world' to worry about (i.e. most people don't know and don't care what the Canadian position is on these issues). This is entirely a fiction drummed up by Canadians who want to trash Harper (led my major anti-Harper media outlets like the Star and G&M). If these critics had any integrity they would simply say directly that they oppose Harper policies instead creating phony stories about 'Canada's reputation'. Edited May 6, 2013 by TimG Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Agreed...the very idea of a "Canadian Neocon" is an oxymoron. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 There are at least two sides to every conflict. Tim. Quit beating around the bush. Israel is a rogue state in every sense. rogue state n(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a state that conducts its policy in a dangerously unpredictable way, disregarding international law or diplomacy Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
TimG Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Tim. Quit beating around the bush. Israel is a rogue state in every sense.Ah. No. That is nothing but your opinion. And as I said, your opinion is essentially useless because adds nothing useful to the discussion. If you actually cared about the plight of the Palestinians you would make an effort to understand Israel's side because without any understanding of that there will be no resolution to the conflict. Quote
PIK Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 And you tell me I can't have a discussion. lol You need to get your own opinion about this, not what you learned at Israel apartied day, because that is all you are spewling. Tim. Quit beating around the bush. Israel is a rogue state in every sense. rogue state n(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a state that conducts its policy in a dangerously unpredictable way, disregarding international law or diplomacy Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Guest Kenneth Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Tim. Quit beating around the bush. Israel is a rogue state in every sense. rogue state n(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a state that conducts its policy in a dangerously unpredictable way, disregarding international law or diplomacy Not a huge fan of Israel, but let's face it, they're surrounded by hostile Islamic regimes and terrorist groups - so Israel's doing us a favor by pounding the crap out of them. Quote
Bonam Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) And you tell me I can't have a discussion. lol You need to get your own opinion about this, not what you learned at Israel apartied day, because that is all you are spewling. Tim. Quit beating around the bush. Israel is a rogue state in every sense. rogue state n(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a state that conducts its policy in a dangerously unpredictable way, disregarding international law or diplomacy Israel's actions are not unpredictable. They are pretty much exactly what Israel says they are and will be. Further, Israel continually participates in international diplomacy. By the way, your definition from "free dictionary" isn't much good, I'll take this one over yours any time: Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.[4] The term is used most by the United States, though the US State Department officially quit using the term in 2000.[5] However, it has been applied by other countries as well.[ Israel does not meet any of the criteria listed. Edited May 6, 2013 by Bonam Quote
Moonbox Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Rogue state is a fluffy cliché that, much like the term 'neocon', has been so often and so badly misused/exaggerated that it's now meaningless. Edited May 6, 2013 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
PIK Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Isn't neo con some sort of extreme liberal? Rogue state is a fluffy cliché that, much like the term 'neocon', has been so often and so badly misused/exaggerated that it's now meaningless. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Isn't neo con some sort of extreme liberal? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Israel's actions are not unpredictable. They are pretty much exactly what Israel says they are and will be. Further, Israel continually participates in international diplomacy. By the way, your definition from "free dictionary" isn't much good, I'll take this one over yours any time: Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.[4] The term is used most by the United States, though the US State Department officially quit using the term in 2000.[5] However, it has been applied by other countries as well.[ Israel does not meet any of the criteria listed. Israel is an authoritarian regime that does restrict human rights when it comes to the occupied territories. They also violate international law by attacking sovereign countries, like they have done in Syria and Lebanon. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Israel is an authoritarian regime that does restrict human rights when it comes to the occupied territories. They also violate international law by attacking sovereign countries, like they have done in Syria and Lebanon. No, Israel is a democracy and has attacked no more sovereign countries than Canada has, violating "international law". Edited May 6, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Yet another International Embarassment for Canada. Our government praising an Illegal Act of International Murder. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/05/john-baird-backs-israeli-airstrikes-raises-concerns-about-radical-jihadists-in-syria-2/ Define neocon. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 6, 2013 Author Report Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) But they anti-semantics on this board run to deep for people to really have a handle on what really is going on. I don't think there are any anti-semantics on this board, but let's talk about semantics. What I'm sure you meant to say was 'anti-semitics.' An anti-semite is a person who is opposed to semites, ie. speakers of Semitic languages and their descendents. Since the Arabs are semites then this attack on Syria was an anti-semitic attack, and John Baird's statement was an anti-semitic statement. If that seems strange, its because people have been conditioned to believe the semantics of the term semite as to refer strictly to jews, and how convenient when that ignores the fact the majority of semites aren't jews at all, and are discriminated against on a level that in many ways makes apartheid look tame. Edited May 6, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote
roy baty Posted May 7, 2013 Report Posted May 7, 2013 Israel is an authoritarian regime that does restrict human rights when it comes to the occupied territories. They also violate international law by attacking sovereign countries, like they have done in Syria and Lebanon. Unbelievable. You're clearly anti-Jew who offers more credence to regimes like Iran, Syria and terror organizations Hamas and Hezbollah. Its as simple as that. What scares me is more and more liberals like you are spewing this drivel... Quote
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Now the neocons aren't using anti-semite, because it doesn't make sense so its anti-jew now. Yeah any criticism of Israel's actions = anti-jew. In the twilight zone that is... We should all just cheer lead everything Israel does. If Israel attacks sovereign nations. That's great! If Israel kills innocent people that's great! If Israel treats much of its claimed citizens as subhumans that's great! Edited May 7, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote
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