Harper attacks Justin

[Moonbox]

No, it was really obvious. As I said, the comment you quoted was all in the context of a discussion about Islamic countries. Out of a list of 76 countries, you made a deliberate effort to pull the the 5-6 that weren't Islamic out of the list in order to try and look clever or something. Lame and dumb, as usual, but nice try.

[eyeball]

Take a look at the freedom rankings of all the world countries and you'll find a pretty disturbing and obvious trend. The 'democracies' and 'republics' of the Islamic world typically don't turn out very democratic.

Because they've typically been diddled.

[Guest]

Because they've typically been diddled.

I don't think anyone will disagree with you there. Their religious leaders have been lying to them for centuries.

Edited April 27, 2013 by bcsapper

[eyeball]

I don't think anyone will disagree with you there. Their religious leaders have been lying to them for centuries.

And our secular leaders are lying to us right now.

[Guest]

And our secular leaders are lying to us right now.

Yeah, but you can change them.

[eyeball]

Like diapers, they'll just fill up again.

[Moonbox]

The chip on your shoulder is looking bigger and bigger every time you open your mouth. It makes life easier blaming things on everyone else doesn't it?

Waaaghh, nothing's my fault, waaaagh!

As I said already, your assertion that western interference forced ~70 countries into the middle ages in terms of tolerance makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever, and can easily be refuted by the exhaustive list of countries that were 'diddled' with as you like to say that did NOT turn out that way.

This doesn't matter to you, however, because you're so bitter and so angry that you're not going to have a rational discussion with anyone about it.

Edited April 27, 2013 by Moonbox

[eyeball]

As I said already, your assertion that western interference forced ~70 countries into the middle ages in terms of tolerance makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

That doesn't make any sense to me either because it's not what I asserted.

[Argus]

Because they've typically been diddled.

This is simplistic excuse making. Lots of countries have been screwed with, conquered, and half destroyed over the last century. Only the Muslim ones seem to produce terrorists roaming the world looking for 'vengeance' for real or imagined slights.

[Argus]

commentary on Ignatieff is a bit past its expiry date

Well, perhaps, but no one has made any.

[Argus]

The Iranians were angry about the last Shah and the USA's support for that. That's understandable.

What was wrong with the Shah? He abused human rights? So what? Was he worse than what the revolution replaced him with, or the current government? Not that I can see.

[GostHacked]

With every incident a root cause should be found. It does not have to be liked, but it must be understood what the reasons and motives were for the incident. Only when you understand can you work to prevent incidents in the future. If you never strive to understand and instead just use blanket measures for prevention, you will never ever be able to prevent incidents in the future. You will never understand the why, which is critical in the prevention.

Every action has a reaction right?

I think JT's comments were nothing more than jumping to conclusions about the reasons. But he does seem to make a point that we must at least try to understand the reasons and motives of those committing these attacks.

Maybe it has to do with the foreign policy of the land we live in?

[eyeball]

This is simplistic excuse making. Lots of countries have been screwed with, conquered, and half destroyed over the last century. Only the Muslim ones seem to produce terrorists roaming the world looking for 'vengeance' for real or imagined slights.

Just our bad luck that Muslims attach so much importance to vengeance I guess.

That said I suspect lots of other people will soon be coming unglued too as the economy continues to dwindle and the income gap continues to expand. More behavioural sinks are inevitable.

[eyeball]

What was wrong with the Shah? He abused human rights? So what? Was he worse than what the revolution replaced him with, or the current government? Not that I can see.

He was worse than Mossadegh who remains one of if not the most respected figures in Iran. He was like their Mandela, Ghandi and King all rolled into one. There is no reason not to believe he could and would have inspired democratic movements throughout the Muslim world.

But...so what? I guess our most stinking rich and powerful people would have missed the opportunity to become putridly rich and powerful. Oh the humanity.

[hitops]

Just our bad luck that Muslims attach so much importance to vengeance I guess.

You're starting to tune in. Not all countries are the same. Get diddled does not = become poor and violent. What does determine that is your culture and belief system. Countries that were totally destroyed in WWII are highly prosperous today. Not Muslim ones though, they just kept doin' there thang, and they got the predictable results from doing so.

It's not the region either, Israel with a completely different value system and culture has got completely different results.

Edited April 29, 2013 by hitops

[eyeball]

What?

I don't know what station you're listening to - I don't think we're on the same frequency.

Edited April 29, 2013 by eyeball

[PIK]

So the way ezzra tells it, trudeau would be all for going back to normal relations with Iran, and his advisors would agree. Some very good points on what type of PM he would make.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/04/26/bad-advice-think-justin-trudeaus-instincts-are-scary-take-a-look-at-what-two-of-his-advisers-have-to-say

If Trudeau lacks foreign policy judgment, who are his advisers? One answer is his brother, Alexandre “Sacha” Trudeau. Sacha once wrote a bizarre column in the Toronto Star praising Fidel Castro, saying, “His intellect is one of the most broad that can be found … Combined with a Herculean physique and extraordinary courage, this monumental intellect makes Fidel the giant that he is.”

Sacha is a filmmaker. He made an anti-American movie, called Embedded in Baghdad. He made an anti-Israel movie called The Fence. And his latest masterpiece is called The New Great Game, about Iran’s courageous decision to defy America and Israel. Sacha made it in co-operation with Press TV, the state-run propaganda agency of Iran.

Sacha is like Justin — a spoiled dilettante. But Trudeau’s more serious adviser is Omar Alghabra, the Saudi-born former president of the Canadian Arab Federation who briefly served as an MP from Mississauga.

This month, Alghabra told Al Jazeera, “On the issue of Iran, Trudeau has clearly stated that he is for engagement.”

But that’s the thing. The world tried engagement for years. Iran played us for fools and kept building nuclear weapons. So now the world’s democracies are done engaging Iran. We’re desperately trying to stop them now with full-blown sanctions. But Trudeau wants to suddenly reverse course? To reward Iran with normalized relations?

Alghabra has extreme views. When he was president of the Canadian Arab Federation in 2004, he denounced Canada’s largest newspaper chain for using the term “terrorist” to describe Muslim terrorist groups like the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. He said that was a mere opinion, not a fact.

More....

[jacee]

So the way ezzra tells it, trudeau would be all for going back to normal relations with Iran, and his advisors would agree. Some very good points on what type of PM he would make.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/04/26/bad-advice-think-justin-trudeaus-instincts-are-scary-take-a-look-at-what-two-of-his-advisers-have-to-say.

Paywall, can't read.

But I'm sure Ezra Levant is an 'expert' in understanding Liberal thinking.

[The_Squid]

He made an anti-Israel movie called The Fence.

Do you mean "Checkpoint"?

[Moonbox]

What?

I don't know what station you're listening to - I don't think we're on the same frequency.

That sums up your life pretty neatly.

[WWWTT]

Getting back to Justin's interview with Mansbridge.

Here's an analysis that I found very good!

http://murraydobbin.ca/2013/04/23/justin-trdeau-boy-king/

WWWTT

[jacee]

Getting back to Justin's interview with Mansbridge.

Here's an analysis that I found very good!

http://murraydobbin.ca/2013/04/23/justin-trdeau-boy-king/

WWWTT

Analysis? I wouldn't say there's any attempt to be objective there.

[PIK]

Face it your boy is there for his name and looks, otherwise nobody in the liberal party would have anything to do with him. Now I am hearing that alot of libs(real voters) are upset and will be jumping to the conservative gov.

[eyeball]

Now I am hearing that alot of libs(real voters) are upset and will be jumping to the conservative gov.

Too bad there isn't an M. Dancer around when you really need one.

[The_Squid]

Here is a good "teaching moment" for Conservative supporters.... now pay attention...

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1126007-trudeau-bashing-aside-tories-own-claims-in-flyer-bogus

Obviously, the relevant point of reference would have been to compare the government’s job-creation record to the unemployment numbers at the beginning of the recession — or even to January 2006, when the Tories were first elected. That would show that there are now actually 200,000 more unemployed Canadians than when Stephen Harper came to power. That’s a “net loss of 200,000 jobs” — or nearly 50 per cent more unemployed Canadians than the entire population of P.E.I.

...“balanced budget by 2015” claim, by pointing out that a campaign promise in an attack ad does not constitute a prime ministerial achievement or a résumé item. Especially given that the forecasting skills of most governments would make even fairground fortune-tellers look good by comparison. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has not only been consistently wide of the mark in terms of his economic growth predictions; he has missed every single deficit target since he became finance minister in 2006!

...amorphous claim that the “average family saves $3,200 per year in taxes?” In this case, there is no definition of what constitutes an “average family,” and there are no references as to what taxes are being saved, be they income taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, etc. Without at least these basic reference points, this is just another one of those dodgy government claims that equates shadow with substance.