hitops Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) I'm proud that Canada is willing to stand with Israel despite it not being popular. They are THE only democratic, civilized and modern country in the entire middle east. Actually they are downright socialist in many ways. The big difference between Israel and other socialist-style countries of the west, is that Israel is the only one who is surrounded by neighbors who want to destroy them. Hence, their foreign policy is a little different than those of us who live in countries that are not full of people bent on killing us because of difference in religion. We should stand with secular democracies, not with third-world hovels who still can't even guarantee the same rights to women much less any other group. Beating your wife silly is a legitimate disciplinary strategy in the countries that hate Israel. If you are supporting those countries, understand the culture you are supporting. Israel is literally centuries ahead on basically every social issue. Hamas is not interested in peace, it wants to destroy Israel on principle, not because of any land issues. Same for hezbollah. If a peaceful solution is found that allows Palestinians to achieve stability and prosperity, that would undercut the entire narrative that those groups need to survive. Peace is a direct threat to them, and they will never want it. Edited April 13, 2013 by hitops Quote
eyeball Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) To bad we didn't stand with Iran in 1953, the ME would probably be almost all democratized by now. BTW anyone else notice that Israel has no oil? Funny dat. Edited April 13, 2013 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
hitops Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 To bad we didn't stand with Iran in 1953, the ME would probably be almost all democratized by now. BTW anyone else notice that Israel has no oil? Funny dat. Iran wasn't a democracy in 1953, or any other time. We should stand with democracies. Quote
Mighty AC Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 That's a ludicrous claim on so many levels. #1, I'm not a Conservative, and I "love" (ie: support) Israel. Which brings me to #2, which is "supportive of Israel" doesn't translate to supporting all of their actions.I was really referring to conservative politicians not you personally. I don't understand the unconditional love they give to Israel. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
The_Squid Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 Iran wasn't a democracy in 1953, or any other time. We should stand with democracies. Are you sure about that? Yo need a history lesson.... It was Washington that orchestrated the 1953 coup to topple Iran’s democratically elected government, the first in the Middle East, and install the compliant shah in power. https://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/22-0 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Signals.Cpl Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 To bad we didn't stand with Iran in 1953, the ME would probably be almost all democratized by now. BTW anyone else notice that Israel has no oil? Funny dat. Putting the events in Iran during 1953 aside, the Middle East was guaranteed to fail as a region when it comes to democracy, economy or society in 1918 rather than any time after. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
hitops Posted April 13, 2013 Report Posted April 13, 2013 Are you sure about that? Yo need a history lesson.... https://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/22-0 I'm not in a need of a history lesson. Iran was not a democracy. Hitler was democratically elected too. Quote
eyeball Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 Putting the events in Iran during 1953 aside, the Middle East was guaranteed to fail as a region when it comes to democracy, economy or society in 1918 rather than any time after. Not necessarily, we definitely planted some seeds of destruction in 1918 but we could have stopped cultivating them any time we wanted. In the meantime there can be no doubt that in 1953 the west killed the closest thing to democracy the Muslim Middle East has ever seen in what was arguably the single greatest foreign policy blunder the west has ever engineered, bar none. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 Firstly, isn't the controversy surrounding this situation the fact that some fear the location of the meeting could be construed as defacto acceptance of Israel's claim to that territory? And it often appears to me that Israel is as inflexible on its demands for peace terms as any other player in the region. Israel is imperialistic. I think the issue of the territory is a phony one. While Araby held East Jerusalem they were not willing to accept Israel during the "pre-1967" era. What makes that time now a golden age? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 Imagine the furor if the Assembly of First Nations held their annual meeting in Caledonia.I imagine they could book an assembly hall there the same way a wedding party could. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Charon Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 (edited) Its obvious the ones here who have never been there. Too much circle jerking with the propaganda. The reality is quite different on the ground. I'll bet most racists against Palestinians have never met one. Edited April 14, 2013 by Charon Quote
eyeball Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 I imagine they could book an assembly hall there the same way a wedding party could. I suppose they could. The controversy would nonetheless pretty much deliberately inflame the same sorts of passions Baird's choice of location has for the very same reason. It would be rightly viewed as an act of divisive shit disturbing for pettiness sake that only makes things worse. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 I suppose they could. The controversy would nonetheless pretty much deliberately inflame the same sorts of passions Baird's choice of location has for the very same reason. It would be rightly viewed as an act of divisive shit disturbing for pettiness sake that only makes things worse. Do you really think that white Canadians would go off on a murderous rampage if such a rental were made? Remember Sharon's Temple Mount walk supposedly triggered the Second Intifada. Would such an assembly hall rental even trigger this kind of a thread? I doubt it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 I doubt it would start a murderous rage too but it would definitely start this kind of a thread. I'd put money on it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest American Woman Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 For the record, there was no "rental" involved here. Baird met with the Israeli minister of justice for coffee in her office. Quote
hitops Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 I suppose they could. The controversy would nonetheless pretty much deliberately inflame the same sorts of passions Baird's choice of location has for the very same reason. It would be rightly viewed as an act of divisive shit disturbing for pettiness sake that only makes things worse. Not likely. Who cares? Let them book their meeting anywhere they want, just like everyone else. Quote
Bugs Posted April 14, 2013 Report Posted April 14, 2013 The potential problem is that, by meeting in Jerusalem, there might be some slight hint that Canada recognizes that Jersusalem is the legitimate capital of Israel. Stress should be put on the word 'hint'. Joe Clark, in his brief and ill-fated stint as PM, agreed to put the Canadian embassy in Jerusalem, which caused quite a stink. Nobody ever said Clark was too bright. This case isn't like that. It's certainly not an embarassment. It may not even qualify as a 'signal' of where Canada stands on the issue. Who in the Moslem world cares about whatever signals Canada sends, anyway? Quote
roy baty Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 Embarrassment? Anyone who doesn't tout the progressive banner internationally is an embarrassment to the lefties! Got to love the the OP. Hudson posts and then flies away back to his left wing camp. We all saw what happened to the Jews the last time no one stood in their corner... Kudos to Baird and this government for actually having the guts to actually take a stance and support a loyal ally. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 Or the palestines are a bunch of idiots for letting thier arab friends use them as pawns. Israel would love peace, but does hama, hezbolla, iran, egypt and so on. Why does'nt palestine take what they have right now and start building a country (like Israel) instead of wallowing in thier own shit whinning about it. Israel did not, they built a country out of the same rock. They should have taken that last deal arafat squandered. it would have been a great start and they would be better off today for it. And the hudsons of the world better look at the other side of the story instead of just what his professor has to say. Israel would love peace if it gets to dictate the terms. At the moment, it's building settlements on stolen land. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
shortlived Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) eyeball, on 13 Apr 2013 - 16:23, said: To bad we didn't stand with Iran in 1953, the ME would probably be almost all democratized by now. BTW anyone else notice that Israel has no oil? Funny dat. This isn't true, Israel has offshore oil reserves shared with Turkey as well as oil in the south of Israel. http://geology.com/usgs/oil-shale/images/israel-jordan-oil-shale-map.gif Now contrast that with http://www.honestreporting.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/regionMap.jpg Edited April 15, 2013 by shortlived Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
Archanfel Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 So people are angry with Isarel for building a few settlements, whereas Canada is building office towers in a city called Toronto. Ironic, isn't it? In fact, while there are plenty of evidences that Israelis lived in the city of peace thousands of years ago, is there any evidence that it was the Europeans who first settled in Canada? The history of the world is not people making friends. You had better weapons, and you massacred them. End of story. Quote
hitops Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) So people are angry with Isarel for building a few settlements, whereas Canada is building office towers in a city called Toronto. Ironic, isn't it? In fact, while there are plenty of evidences that Israelis lived in the city of peace thousands of years ago, is there any evidence that it was the Europeans who first settled in Canada? The history of the world is not people making friends. You had better weapons, and you massacred them. End of story. Well before the natives peoples made it to North America, there were only animals here. Maybe we should just ship everyone out and leave it as it's true original state as a nature reserve? Ok but we'll accept they are just animals. Now we have to carefully track every little tribal war and massacre that took place over thousands of years before Europeans arrived, all land exchanged, restitutions need to be paid etc. Cause we need to restore everything to it's 2000 BC state. Canada, looking foward! Edited April 15, 2013 by hitops Quote
PIK Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 And I have read the natives is a offspring of a earlier migration of european people. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
g_bambino Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 So people are angry with Isarel for building a few settlements, whereas Canada is building office towers in a city called Toronto. Ironic, isn't it? Um, can you point to the agreements and treaties between the president (is he the equivalent of our crown?) and any Palestinians? Quote
PIK Posted April 15, 2013 Report Posted April 15, 2013 Israel would love peace if it gets to dictate the terms. At the moment, it's building settlements on stolen land. I agree about building settlements at this time. But then constantly shooting mortors over the border does not help either. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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