Archanfel Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 How is making obvious political blunders in a volatile overseas region to the benefit of Canada? I never said it was. The question is how do we evaluate such action. If you believed it's a blunder and could provide evidence that it was harmful to Canada, then I would have no objection. However, that should be the only criteria. Friend or not, Canada should take a strong stance against violations of international law. Something that they had been doing before the Harper government came to power. Unfortunately, the Harper government has done some things that has lowered Canada's moral standards and its reputation of championing human rights. There is a reason why Canada did not get a security council seat. Canada's hopes of returning to the top body of the United Nations ended in crushing disappointment Tuesday when it withdrew from contention, handing victory to Portugal. The defeat marks a significant embarrassment for Stephen Harper's government. It is the first time in more than 50 years Canada has not won a campaign for a temporary seat on the Security Council. Link And what exactly would a seat on the security council buy us? Can we sell the vote? International laws is just a joke. The only criteria is whether you won or lost and whether you were useful to certain world powers. It deserves no respect. Quote
PIK Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 I don't think hudson been around long enough to know how bad the UN has become from it's heydays. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
g_bambino Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Unfortunately, the Harper government has done some things that has lowered Canada's moral standards Moral standards are not absolute. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Moral standards are not absolute. Human rights laws are absolute. And what exactly would a seat on the security council buy us? Can we sell the vote? International laws is just a joke. The only criteria is whether you won or lost and whether you were useful to certain world powers. It deserves no respect. We're all signatory to international law. It's your choice to have such contempt for border laws, maritime laws, trade laws, human rights laws, and etc. I prefer that my Canada shows respect for the law. Edited April 16, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
g_bambino Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Human rights laws are absolute. You said moral standards. Regardless, no, human rights laws are not absolute. They vary in content and in enforcability from place to place. [ed.: c/e] Edited April 16, 2013 by g_bambino Quote
Hudson Jones Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Posted April 16, 2013 You said moral standards. Regardless, no, human rights laws are not absolute. They vary in content and in enforcability from place to place. [ed.: c/e] Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards. They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
g_bambino Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards. They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong. No. No, they aren't. Both vary from place to place. Quote
hitops Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards. They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong. They certainly are not. What qualifies as a human right has been redefined many times over the years both by the UN and many other bodies. They most certainly are relative, and they will change again in the future. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 jbg, on 15 Apr 2013 - 16:45, said: Israel's actions seem uniquely subject to an unheard of level of criticism. Beyond those even of North Korea and Iran. What gives? Simply not true. You're just playing the victim. No, he's not playing the victim. It is true. Quote
Archanfel Posted April 16, 2013 Report Posted April 16, 2013 Human rights laws are absolute. We're all signatory to international law. It's your choice to have such contempt for border laws, maritime laws, trade laws, human rights laws, and etc. I prefer that my Canada shows respect for the law. Fine, that's your liberty, as long as you are not asking me to pay for it. Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards. They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong. No, they did not. They came to be due to the fact we want to use them to our advantages. I don't remember the US being charged for dropping the atomic bombs. I don't remember the Russians, Chinese or even us being charged for various things we did. They only applies to the weak. Well, maybe the weak and guilty ones, but they have to be weak first. And if you haven't noticed, our moral standards change all the time. Quote
Charon Posted April 17, 2013 Report Posted April 17, 2013 How is it a blunder to be seen supporting an ally? Ask Mussolini. Quote
guyser Posted April 17, 2013 Report Posted April 17, 2013 I don't remember the US being charged for dropping the atomic bombs.They got the bill a bit later. Cost them a lot. Amybe if you worked in Congress or the GOA office then you'd know. Quote
Archanfel Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 They got the bill a bit later. Cost them a lot. Amybe if you worked in Congress or the GOA office then you'd know. Oh, is that how intenrational laws work? Quote
guyser Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 Oh, is that how intenrational laws work? What are you talking about? Quote
GostHacked Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 Moral standards are not absolute.This is true. Moral standards have a price. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
g_bambino Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 This is true. Moral standards have a price. Which sometimes helps them morph. Quote
TimG Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 Human rights laws are absolute.No they aren't. They are nothing but fads based on whatever politically correct fashion is blowing through the UN establishment. Quote
PIK Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 Human rights laws are absolute. We're all signatory to international law. It's your choice to have such contempt for border laws, maritime laws, trade laws, human rights laws, and etc. I prefer that my Canada shows respect for the law. How about egypt sending mortors over the border this week, I guess that is ok ,because it is against the Israeli. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted April 29, 2013 Author Report Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) No they aren't. They are nothing but fads based on whatever politically correct fashion is blowing through the UN establishment. The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute. Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute. Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute. Edited April 29, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
PIK Posted April 29, 2013 Report Posted April 29, 2013 I guesss you are ok with the hamas education dept , that canelled sports to be replace with teaching the very young to shoot AK-47's and throw grenades. Isreal is a safer place for arabs to live then in thier own countries. I wish you do a little research on what really is going on. The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute. Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute. Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) I guesss you are ok with the hamas education dept , that canelled sports to be replace with teaching the very young to shoot AK-47's and throw grenades. Isreal is a safer place for arabs to live then in thier own countries. I wish you do a little research on what really is going on. A few notes: - Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does. - Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes? - Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law. Edited April 30, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
PIK Posted April 30, 2013 Report Posted April 30, 2013 Like I said hudson, you better start researching a little bit on what really goes ons, instead of just blaming the Israelis for everything, Every action has a reaction, so go back many years and start over. Quit believing everything your anti-sementic proffessor is telling you. A few notes: - Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does. - Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes? - Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Posted April 30, 2013 Like I said hudson, you better start researching a little bit on what really goes ons, instead of just blaming the Israelis for everything, Every action has a reaction, so go back many years and start over. Quit believing everything your anti-sementic proffessor is telling you. Your response is not a reply to my comments. You're posting a reply just for the sake of showing that you have an answer, while all you are doing is trying to discredit the information I provide by blaming it on imaginary "anti-semitic professors". I am basing my comments on well-documented events. I find your approach to debating Israel's actions to be quite shallow and slimy. I repeat: - Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does. - Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes? - Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law. You also tried to derail another comment I made by blowing more hot air, without really responding to the facts. Here it is again: The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute. Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute. Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
PIK Posted May 6, 2013 Report Posted May 6, 2013 Your response is not a reply to my comments. You're posting a reply just for the sake of showing that you have an answer, while all you are doing is trying to discredit the information I provide by blaming it on imaginary "anti-semitic professors". I am basing my comments on well-documented events. I find your approach to debating Israel's actions to be quite shallow and slimy. I repeat: - Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does. - Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes? - Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law. You also tried to derail another comment I made by blowing more hot air, without really responding to the facts. Here it is again: The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute. Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute. Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute. Well Israeli's are under attack almost every day ,but you don't say a word. How much money does hamas take out of the peoples mouths to buy weapons just to kill Israel's. All you do is post one sided views. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Hudson Jones Posted May 6, 2013 Author Report Posted May 6, 2013 Well Israeli's are under attack almost every day ,but you don't say a word. How much money does hamas take out of the peoples mouths to buy weapons just to kill Israel's. All you do is post one sided views. I am not able to carry a conversation with you, as your level of knowledge, understanding and logic about the conflict is limited and superficial. It's important that you understand at least a little about the situation, instead of your aim being to regurgitate catchy Zionist phrases. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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