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How is making obvious political blunders in a volatile overseas region to the benefit of Canada?

I never said it was. The question is how do we evaluate such action. If you believed it's a blunder and could provide evidence that it was harmful to Canada, then I would have no objection. However, that should be the only criteria.

Friend or not, Canada should take a strong stance against violations of international law. Something that they had been doing before the Harper government came to power. Unfortunately, the Harper government has done some things that has lowered Canada's moral standards and its reputation of championing human rights.

There is a reason why Canada did not get a security council seat.

Canada's hopes of returning to the top body of the United Nations ended in crushing disappointment Tuesday when it withdrew from contention, handing victory to Portugal.

The defeat marks a significant embarrassment for Stephen Harper's government. It is the first time in more than 50 years Canada has not won a campaign for a temporary seat on the Security Council.

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And what exactly would a seat on the security council buy us? Can we sell the vote? :)

International laws is just a joke. The only criteria is whether you won or lost and whether you were useful to certain world powers. It deserves no respect.

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I don't think hudson been around long enough to know how bad the UN has become from it's heydays.

Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.

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Moral standards are not absolute.

Human rights laws are absolute.

And what exactly would a seat on the security council buy us? Can we sell the vote? :)

International laws is just a joke. The only criteria is whether you won or lost and whether you were useful to certain world powers. It deserves no respect.

We're all signatory to international law. It's your choice to have such contempt for border laws, maritime laws, trade laws, human rights laws, and etc. I prefer that my Canada shows respect for the law.

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When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi

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Human rights laws are absolute.

You said moral standards.

Regardless, no, human rights laws are not absolute. They vary in content and in enforcability from place to place.

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You said moral standards.

Regardless, no, human rights laws are not absolute. They vary in content and in enforcability from place to place.

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Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards.

They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong.

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi

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Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards.

They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong.

No. No, they aren't. Both vary from place to place.

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Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards.

They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong.

They certainly are not. What qualifies as a human right has been redefined many times over the years both by the UN and many other bodies. They most certainly are relative, and they will change again in the future.

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jbg, on 15 Apr 2013 - 16:45, said:

Israel's actions seem uniquely subject to an unheard of level of criticism. Beyond those even of North Korea and Iran. What gives?

Simply not true. You're just playing the victim.

No, he's not playing the victim. It is true.

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Human rights laws are absolute.

We're all signatory to international law. It's your choice to have such contempt for border laws, maritime laws, trade laws, human rights laws, and etc. I prefer that my Canada shows respect for the law.

Fine, that's your liberty, as long as you are not asking me to pay for it.

Human rights laws came to be due to our moral standards.

They are absolute as far as setting a standard as to what is right and what is wrong.

No, they did not. They came to be due to the fact we want to use them to our advantages. I don't remember the US being charged for dropping the atomic bombs. I don't remember the Russians, Chinese or even us being charged for various things we did. They only applies to the weak. Well, maybe the weak and guilty ones, but they have to be weak first.

And if you haven't noticed, our moral standards change all the time.

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Human rights laws are absolute.

No they aren't. They are nothing but fads based on whatever politically correct fashion is blowing through the UN establishment.
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Human rights laws are absolute.

We're all signatory to international law. It's your choice to have such contempt for border laws, maritime laws, trade laws, human rights laws, and etc. I prefer that my Canada shows respect for the law.

How about egypt sending mortors over the border this week, I guess that is ok ,because it is against the Israeli.

Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.

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No they aren't. They are nothing but fads based on whatever politically correct fashion is blowing through the UN establishment.

The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute.

Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute.

Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute.

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When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi

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I guesss you are ok with the hamas education dept , that canelled sports to be replace with teaching the very young to shoot AK-47's and throw grenades. Isreal is a safer place for arabs to live then in thier own countries. I wish you do a little research on what really is going on.

The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute.

Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute.

Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute.

Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.

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I guesss you are ok with the hamas education dept , that canelled sports to be replace with teaching the very young to shoot AK-47's and throw grenades. Isreal is a safer place for arabs to live then in thier own countries. I wish you do a little research on what really is going on.

A few notes:

- Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does.

- Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes?

- Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law.

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When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi

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Like I said hudson, you better start researching a little bit on what really goes ons, instead of just blaming the Israelis for everything, Every action has a reaction, so go back many years and start over. Quit believing everything your anti-sementic proffessor is telling you.

A few notes:

- Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does.

- Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes?

- Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law.

Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.

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Like I said hudson, you better start researching a little bit on what really goes ons, instead of just blaming the Israelis for everything, Every action has a reaction, so go back many years and start over. Quit believing everything your anti-sementic proffessor is telling you.

Your response is not a reply to my comments. You're posting a reply just for the sake of showing that you have an answer, while all you are doing is trying to discredit the information I provide by blaming it on imaginary "anti-semitic professors". I am basing my comments on well-documented events. I find your approach to debating Israel's actions to be quite shallow and slimy.
I repeat:
- Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does.
- Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes?
- Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law.
You also tried to derail another comment I made by blowing more hot air, without really responding to the facts. Here it is again:
The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute.
Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute.
Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute.

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi

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Your response is not a reply to my comments. You're posting a reply just for the sake of showing that you have an answer, while all you are doing is trying to discredit the information I provide by blaming it on imaginary "anti-semitic professors". I am basing my comments on well-documented events. I find your approach to debating Israel's actions to be quite shallow and slimy.
I repeat:
- Who said I'm okay with anything Hamas does? Criticism of Israel's violations of human rights laws does not equate to supporting a wild accusation of something Hamas does.
- Can you at least provide a link to back up your accusations like Hamas replacing teaching with gun and grenade throwing classes?
- Why is there a need to lower Israel's standards by always comparing it to something that is obviously at a low standard? Not to say that your comments takes a pass, since no link or proof was posted, but it's like you try to excuse a rapist because he didn't kill the person. When Israel violates international law, they violate international law. There is no way around it. We should put pressure on our government who gives unconditional support to a country that continuously violates international law.
You also tried to derail another comment I made by blowing more hot air, without really responding to the facts. Here it is again:
The indiscriminate killing of civilians is illegal and this law is absolute.
Transferring people into a territory that doesn't belong to you is illegal and this law is absolute.
Keeping food and other necessities from a population as a way of punishment is illegal and this law is absolute.

Well Israeli's are under attack almost every day ,but you don't say a word. How much money does hamas take out of the peoples mouths to buy weapons just to kill Israel's. All you do is post one sided views.

Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.

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Well Israeli's are under attack almost every day ,but you don't say a word. How much money does hamas take out of the peoples mouths to buy weapons just to kill Israel's. All you do is post one sided views.

I am not able to carry a conversation with you, as your level of knowledge, understanding and logic about the conflict is limited and superficial. It's important that you understand at least a little about the situation, instead of your aim being to regurgitate catchy Zionist phrases.

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi

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