SUN NEWS should be made more accessible

[betsy]

Why is Oprah's OWN network more accessible to Canadians compared to a station like SUN Network that has 100% Canadian content???

I think CRTC should ensure Canadian cable and satellite subscribers have access to Canadian television programming. Sun News should be given the same treatment given to CBC and CTV News when they first started.

Please sign the petition to CRTC. Thanks.

http://www.canadiantvfirst.ca/

[Topaz]

Could it be than more people, (women) rather watch Oprah, than SunTV? When I go channel surfing and hit SunTV, they are always talking to someone from the US or talking about the US.

[bush_cheney2004]

Oprah is from the U.S. too.

[Topaz]

yeah, but Oprah is more interesting than SunTV.

[Sleipnir]

Why is Oprah's OWN network more accessible to Canadians compared to a station like SUN Network that has 100% Canadian content???

Maybe because more people like watching Oprah then some angry dudes on Sun News?

Sun News should be given the same treatment given to CBC and CTV News when they first started.

First of all:

1) CBC is crown owned, Sun news isn't.

2) It would be the ultimate hypocrisy if Sun News demanded public funding because they once venomously opposed it.

3) If Sun News want to make themselves more accessible, try getting a station channel that isn't far out obscure in space (where I live Sun News is on channel 114, while all the other news channel (about 7 of 'em) are from channel 15 to 45).

Edited February 4, 2013 by Sleipnir

[Guest Derek L]

3) If Sun News want to make themselves more accessible, try getting a station channel that isn't far out obscure in space (where I live Sun News is on channel 114, while all the other news channel (about 7 of 'em) are from channel 15 to 45).

I think that’s Sun News’ bone of contention, in that they are listed up between PPV and HD channels………

[Smallc]

They're in the same place on Bell TV as all of the other news networks.

[BubberMiley]

ooops...wrong thread.

Edited February 4, 2013 by BubberMiley

[Guest Derek L]

They're in the same place on Bell TV as all of the other news networks.

Not on Shaw.......CTV is 17? and CBC 26........Sun I think in the 140s

[Boges]

Wow someone finally made this thread. SUN makes a good point that they create lots of CanCon while many other basic cable channels don't. They are at a massive disadvantage if they are only available in 4 of 10 home. They also aren't asking for as much, per subscriber, as CBC Newworld gets.

The only argument against it is that there are already like 5 news channels on basic cable. But Sun is fairly unique compared to CP24 and CTV News Channel.

The CRTC should review why we need 3 News channels owned by Bell. I believe City News is owned by Bell now. I may be wrong.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Boges

[waldo]

Wow someone finally made this thread. SUN makes a good point that they create lots of CanCon while many other basic cable channels don't. They are at a massive disadvantage if they are only available in 4 of 10 home. They also aren't asking for as much, per subscriber, as CBC Newworld gets.

that 40% penetration is still greater than where it projected to be at this time in its own business model. The real crux of their problem is that the much touted "CanCon" doesn't draw (enough) interest. With 40% penetration they only manage a typical 16,000 viewership number, in an average minute, across the entire country - "mice-nuts". More pointedly, their demographics aren't drawing (enough) advertising dollars: "angry old white guys" isn't a demographic advertisers typically seek out!

your reference to, "as CBC Newsworld gets", is not inaccurate... today, CBC Newsworld is defunct, having been re-branded to CBC News Network, 5 years back or so. Today, CBC News Network does not receive any mandatory carriage fees in anglophone Canada. Yes, 25 years ago, back in 1987, CBC Newsworld did receive carriage fees - at that time it was the first/sole Canadian news programming launch... and it was to compete against a single (only) competitor - CNN. Times and the marketplace have changed considerably today.

it is quite refreshing to see the likes of Ezrant begging for government help... apparently, demonizing government intervention and corporate welfare is a most selective (and self-serving) undertaking!

equally, it's very illuminating to re-quote a statement made by Kory Teneycke (VP Sun News Network) at the time of their initial 2010 CRTC submission:

Sun TV News is not, nor has it ever, asked for “mandatory carriage” by cable or satellite companies. As the critics correctly point out, this would be tantamount to a tax on everyone with cable or satellite service. It is what CBC News Network has, but not what we are asking for.

... clearly, in just a couple of years, Teneycke has no problem with 'tantamount taxation on everyone'!. (note: within the preceding quote, there is little Teneycke slight of hand as CBC News Network only receives carriage in francophone Canada... equally, CBC News Network's French language counterpart, RDI, only receives carriage in anglophone Canada.)

[betsy]

Whether Sun News is not as "interesting" as the others should not justify why networks such as Oprah's OWN be given more privilege than a 100% Canadian-owned company in its own home turf! That's an awful shame! That alone, should be the reason why we Canadians should demand a fair treatment from CRTC - regardless of our taste, partisan and bias.

Furthermore, who determines what is "interesting?" Based on whose taste? Should we dictate what Canadians should watch?

Well I find the other two stations (CTV and CBC) almost identical in their presentation - thus I find the excitable crew of Sun News as a refreshing change from time to time. It has its own tabloid-style of delivery.

[betsy]

Could it be than more people, (women) rather watch Oprah, than SunTV? When I go channel surfing and hit SunTV, they are always talking to someone from the US or talking about the US.

It is a news channel. Anything, or anyone that affects us directly or indirectly is, news. CTV and CBC does the same.

[BubberMiley]

What's the point if Krista Eriksson isn't on it anymore?

[Topaz]

For those that don't know, SunTV does get public funding, they all do, this came up at a committee meeting when the CEO of Quebecor appeared before the committtee and. he didn't want to admit it but he finally did. I do agree with Besty that all the networks news is giving more exposure to the US and I suppose this is some more "harmonizing" with the US, going on.

[Sleipnir]

it is quite refreshing to see the likes of Ezrant begging for government help... apparently, demonizing government intervention and corporate welfare is a most selective (and self-serving) undertaking!

Had to quote this because it true.

Whether Sun News is not as "interesting" as the others should not justify why networks such as Oprah's OWN be given more privilege than a 100% Canadian-owned company in its own home turf!

How is OWN given more privilege than Sun News?

Furthermore, who determines what is "interesting?" Based on whose taste?

Viewership statistic.

Should we dictate what Canadians should watch?

Poor argument since the news show isn't blocked.

I find the excitable crew of Sun News as a refreshing change from time to time. It has its own tabloid-style of delivery.

Yeah white angry dudes shouting at each other while making funny faces can be refreshing....

[Boges]

You know there are several women and minorities on Sun News right?

Edited February 4, 2013 by Boges

[The_Squid]

The entire premise of this petition is bunk. Sun-TV isn't a news channel at all, so why should it be treated as such?.

It's a talk show channel.

[waldo]

that 40% penetration is still greater than where it projected to be at this time in its own business model. The real crux of their problem is that the much touted "CanCon" doesn't draw (enough) interest. With 40% penetration they only manage a typical 16,000 viewership number, in an average minute, across the entire country - "mice-nuts". More pointedly, their demographics aren't drawing (enough) advertising dollars: "angry old white guys" isn't a demographic advertisers typically seek out!

Whether Sun News is not as "interesting" as the others should not justify why networks such as Oprah's OWN be given more privilege than a 100% Canadian-owned company in its own home turf! That's an awful shame! That alone, should be the reason why we Canadians should demand a fair treatment from CRTC - regardless of our taste, partisan and bias.

Furthermore, who determines what is "interesting?" Based on whose taste? Should we dictate what Canadians should watch?

within my post, I've bold highlighted the word that seemed to peek your reply... uhhh... drawing your interest! Apparently, you don't realize the distinction between, "drawing interest"... and being, "interesting". Are they the same? Yeesh!

that OWN comparison is quite the stretch... as I'm aware, it's a specialty channel that has to be paid for (within, for example, theme groupings). As I'm aware, only Telus and MTS do not carry Sun News - why would that be? Well, simple: in line with its original CRTC application intent, Quebecor wasn't able to negotiate carriage deals with Telus or MTS on an individual basis... apparently, asking for much more than what Telus/MTS 'feel' it is worth to their subscribers.

[waldo]

Dear CRTC, It's Time to Let the Sun Go Down

Sun Newsers are currently bombarding the social media with pleas for help from their viewers, pointing out that the channel produces almost 100 per cent Canadian content. Wrong, the programs that air on Sun News are Canadian-produced, but feature mostly American (i.e., Tea Party) content. As already pointed out, this does not qualify as "Canadian content."

Saying that Sun News has failed is not to be taken as a sign that conservative news reporting and commentary can't succeed in Canada. In fact, Sun News' failure merely illustrates that extremist forms of what some Americans consider "conservatism" won't fly in Canada. That so few Canadians watch the channel proves that U.S.-style Tea Party and libertarian ideas are anathema to the vast majority of Canadians.

If it wants to have a shot at greater viewership, Sun News will have to look closely at what it means to be conservative in Canada, and then adapt its style accordingly. It will also mean cutting its ties with most of its current on-air talent (Michael Coren, Charles Adler and Ezra Levant), as they seem to live in a make-believe world where Canadian conservatives are all about Christian fundamentalism and actually care about abortion or guns more than about their next paycheque.

It's time for Quebecor to put up or shut up.

[Sleipnir]

You know there are several women and minorities on Sun News right?

Sure looks like it...

http://i47.tinypic.com/dljk79.png

[Boges]

Sure looks like it...

http://i47.tinypic.com/dljk79.png

Those are the prime time shows. The afternoon hosts are both East Asian women.

The weekend host is a black man and the correspondents are overwhelmingly female.

I have a feeling most critics of Sun News rarely watch it.

[Sleipnir]

Those are the prime time shows

No women or minorities in prime time shows I guess.

Show me a link on their website of a female or minority cast member like they did for the cast of prime time show.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Sleipnir

[Boges]

No women or minorities in prime time shows I guess.

Well not the four main guys Coren, Levant, Lilley and Adler. But women contribute to those shows. There's this new reporter named Faith Goldy that's quite a hottie.

They're always talking to a social media correspondent named Gina Phillips. She's the one that's been tasked to pimp this CRTC application.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Boges

[Boges]

www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/shows/newswire.html

This lady is on the air right now.