bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I've never seen or been put on one of these waiting lists. Getting the medical care you need when you need it is the norm in Canada. Perhaps, but that is an altogether different idea from getting the medical care you want when you want it. The wait time situation for some VA regions is the very criticism that is levied against a universal, single payer, "Canadian style" system by many Americans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
PIK Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 No, I'm just having fun with yet another stupid ass "America Sucks!" health care thread. I don't care what Canadians do for health care, but apparently whatever the Americans do is very very very very important to some Canadians....still waiting in line. But when Canadian are in a ambulance they are taken to the nearest hospital. In america and you are uninsured the ambulance drives around trying to find one that will take the patient. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Apparently they even leave their vets on long waiting lists. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/investigations/2014/06/09/va-scandal-audit-veterans-delayed-care/10234881/ And are changing the paper work to hide that fact. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shady Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I've never seen or been put on one of these waiting lists. Getting the medical care you need when you need it is the norm in Canada. Really? I had to wait 6 months to see an allergy specialist. Quote
Shady Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Apparently they even leave their vets on long waiting lists. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/investigations/2014/06/09/va-scandal-audit-veterans-delayed-care/10234881/ Yep, government run, socialized health care! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) But when Canadian are in a ambulance they are taken to the nearest hospital. In america and you are uninsured the ambulance drives around trying to find one that will take the patient. Even if that were true (it isn't)...so what ? Health care services are rationed in the U.S. based on the ability to pay, and that means public and private funding. It means more options, excess capacity, and less waiting. Why are Canadians waiting so long for routine procedures and tests....the U.S. Veterans Administration knows why. Edited June 25, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Guyser - we're all adults here. You don't know posters' ages. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Really? I had to wait 6 months to see an allergy specialist. I'm surprised you didn't die in the meantime. How did you ever manage? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Yep, government run, socialized health care! So can you just imagine how badly screwed up it would be if there were 300 seperate, private insurance companys trying to run it. Quote
PIK Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Even if that were true (it isn't)...so what ? Health care services are rationed in the U.S. based on the ability to pay, and that means public and private funding. It means more options, excess capacity, and less waiting. Why are Canadians waiting so long for routine procedures and tests....the U.S. Veterans Administration knows why. It is true. We wait for non important stuff. I broke my neck in 2 places and had surgery to fix it, cost me nothing. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 It is true. We wait for non important stuff. I broke my neck in 2 places and had surgery to fix it, cost me nothing. No...it cost you plenty..and you will keep paying for it too. You accept that your government will decide what is important and what is not. So you wait.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Beats a corrupt insurance company every time. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
On Guard for Thee Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I tore my knee up on a camping trip, "bucket handle tear of the medial miniscus". (Whatever the hell that is, I just know it hurt) Certainly not life threatening. I limped around for a day and then went back to town. Next day I limped into a "limp in" clinic, was sent straight to a public clinic for Xray. Two days later I was in hospital for surgery and now I'm right back into my jogging schedule. I certainly have no complaints with our system. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I can change from one "corrupt" insurance company to another...the same "corrupt" government is forever. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I can change from one "corrupt" insurance company to another...the same "corrupt" government is forever. For most people they just have to quit their job and find a new employer who uses a different one. No problem. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 No...it cost you plenty..and you will keep paying for it too. You accept that your government will decide what is important and what is not. So you wait.... As PIK has pointed out, we wait for non-important stuff so we don't have to wait for important stuff. And he didn't go broke getting his neck fixed. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 For most people they just have to quit their job and find a new employer who uses a different one. No problem. That's one option, but there are many others available in the market. It's not illegal to buy health insurance from anywhere one chooses. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) As PIK has pointed out, we wait for non-important stuff so we don't have to wait for important stuff. And he didn't go broke getting his neck fixed. haven't checked into this thread for several days... see the wait-time deflector is still at it! Giddyup! As I've highlighted in the past (pointedly using the Ontario prostate cancer wait list example) our wait lists have degrees of attached risk assessment/urgency of treatment within them... and, of course, no one needing immediate urgent treatment is put on any waitlist. the wait-time deflector still attempts to deflect away from the comparative country 'dead last/near the bottom' positioning the U.S. finds itself in! Edited June 25, 2014 by waldo Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I also find it frustrating trying to prove to people I'm right when I'm terribly wrong. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
On Guard for Thee Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 But when Canadian are in a ambulance they are taken to the nearest hospital. In america and you are uninsured the ambulance drives around trying to find one that will take the patient. Yes and I can add to that. A friend of mine flies air ambulance in the states and he was bemoaning a new law that was enacted in his state that says if for instance you do a scene call (i.e. traffic accident) and you take a patient and fly over a hospital to get to the hospital that owns the chopper it is a criminal offense and even the pilot can be charged. How stupid is that? I used to do the same job in Canada and the only decision about which hospital to go to was based on the patients injuries. i.e. a burn unit etc. And guess what, our patients didn't have to pay for the helicopter time. At least not directly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Cradle to grave.....Canada's government(s) will decide. Let me guess.....health care really comes from "The Crown", such as it is. I wonder if the Queen of Canada has to wait too ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 cradle to grave... "cash is king" will decide who in "America", such as it is, receives adequate/proper health care and medical treatment! Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) cradle to grave... "cash is king" will decide who in "America", such as it is, receives adequate/proper health care and medical treatment! And with some of the highest wealth inequalities in the OECD, why not have cash decide who gets health care and who doesn't? Health care isn't a human right. It's a privilege. If you want to get seen by a doctor, get out there and make some money. I don't give a crap how sick you are. Edited June 25, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I've found the superiority of the Canadian system is very, very upsetting to a lot of people down south. I have crazy tea-party cousins that also try and find any negative information about the Canadian system that they can, just to reassure themselves they aren't completely being taken for fools. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I have crazy tea-party cousins ... At least one of those words didn't need to be added. I'm thinking "cousins"... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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