Guest American Woman Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 If someone else has brought this up, I missed it. In all the talk about the NRA and gun owners, some even going so far as to blame the organization and its members for mass killings such as this, why does it seem to be assumed by such people that none of the families of the victims of such shootings are gun owners or members of the NRA themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 How many Americans have sought justice by shooting someone? You have some statistics that speak for over 310 million people that justify your claim? ... I figure it's about as many as they see from watching so much American television and films. Some tourists, including those from Canada, still expect to see gunfighters shooting it out at high noon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I figure it's about as many as they see from watching so much American television and films. Some tourists, including those from Canada, still expect to see gunfighters shooting it out at high noon. On you mean like that time in LA a few years back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 If someone else has brought this up, I missed it. In all the talk about the NRA and gun owners, some even going so far as to blame the organization and its members for mass killings such as this, why does it seem to be assumed by such people that none of the families of the victims of such shootings are gun owners or members of the NRA themselves? If any of them are NRA members, they're fools! This is what their membership dues support: The man who shot Martin, George Zimmerman, said he acted in self-defense. Police haven't charged him and legal experts say Florida's "stand your ground" law may shield Zimmerman from prosecution. The National Rifle Association worked with ALEC to spread similar laws that are on the books in at least 25 states. Those laws grow directly out of the Second Amendment ethos the NRA has championed: "the ethos of individualism, of having a gun, of individuals taking the initiative," said Robert Spitzer, a political scientist at the State University of New York at Cortland and at Cornell University who has studied and written about the NRA for decades. Less well known is that the NRA has also helped ALEC spread other conservative laws that have nothing to do with gun rights. ALEC drafts and shares model bills with state legislators to promote corporation-friendly and conservative social policy. A watchdog group called the Center for Media and Democracy first documented the NRA's role in these bills with ALEC. An NRA lobbyist, Tara Mica, helped shepherd a model bill that requires voters to show a photo ID at the polls. Many conservatives have pushed voter ID laws to prevent election fraud. Many liberals say these laws inhibit voting by minorities. Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/politics/NRA-ALEC-team-up-for-causes-beyond-gun-laws/-/2124/10296044/-/cm3da0/-/index.html#ixzz2GHZJFoWw In reality, the NRA is composed of half a dozen legal entities; some designed to run undisclosed attack ads in political campaigns, others to lobby and collect tens of millions in undisclosed, tax-deductible sums. Despite the grassroots façade, there is much evidence to suggest that corporations that profit from unregulated gun use are propping up the NRA’s activities, much like how the tobacco lobby secretly funded “Smokers Rights’” fronts and libertarian anti-tax groups, or how polluters currently finance much of the climate change skepticism movement. In a “special thanks” to their donors, the National Rifle Association Foundation lists Bushmaster Firearms Inc., the company that makes the assault rifle reportedly found with the shooter responsible for the mass murder today in Newtown, Connecticut. How much Bushmaster Firearms Inc. (a firm now known as Windham) contributes is left unsaid. The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections. And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments. Take, for example, “The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund.” It’s a pro–gun rights legal fund “involved in court cases establishing legal precedents in favor of gun owners.” http://www.thenation.com/blog/171776/does-nra-represent-gun-manufacturers-or-gun-owners# Notice from these two articles that the NRA is actively involved in voter suppression of targeted groups that they apparently aren't interested in protecting the gun rights of either! This organization backed model legislation that has led to the inevitable dangerous overreactions of giving a pass to any idiot feeling threatened, to run around with a gun and shoot at anything that moves --- the Trayvon Martin Case was only the most obvious of a number of similar incidents across the USA because the NRA used ALEC to promote model legislation that increases the proliferation and use of handguns! And, as I for one, mentioned previously, the NRA only pretends to be focused on gun owners; they're primary concern (just like typical politicians) is the people who pony up the most money.....and that happens to be the makers of guns and ammo, not the users! So, the NRA is the most brilliant corporate lobby group out there, since all of the others have to kick in their own money to advance their propaganda and buy politicians....while the NRA has a vast army of suckers helping them do the job of maximizing profitability of gun manufacturers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I believe the mother of the shooter, the first victim, was an NRA member. Ironic, that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I believe the mother of the shooter, the first victim, was an NRA member. Ironic, that. And what would make you believe that? FYI, you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 And what would make you believe that? FYI, you're wrong. Her avid gun love. If she wasn't she might as well have been, since she's a poster child for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Her avid gun love. If she wasn't she might as well have been, since she's a poster child for them. I think you are showing your ignorance regarding "gun love," American gun owners, and the NRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think you are showing your ignorance regarding "gun love," American gun owners, and the NRA. Some of them don't know any better...they are judging a dead woman based on their own fears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Some of them don't know any better...they are judging a dead woman based on their own fears. That's funny, given what's been reported about this woman and her survivalist fears and how much she loved shooting her AR-15 at the range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 That's funny, given what's been reported about this woman and her survivalist fears and how much she loved shooting her AR-15 at the range. Oh my...she had firearms....how dare she do such a constitutional thing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Oh my...she had firearms....how dare she do such a constitutional thing ! she had them for protection. It didn't work. Most people who are murdered are killed by somebody they know. Who's fears are we talking about again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 she had them for protection. It didn't work. Most people who are murdered are killed by somebody they know. Who's fears are we talking about again? Your fears....of Americans exercising their rights. If not, why does this matter to you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Your fears....of Americans exercising their rights. If not, why does this matter to you ? Well sure, I fear that this way of thinking will creep across the border more than it already has. We're massively influenced by what happens in the US. And, I care about the US. I've met lots of great people there. It's sad to see what's happening there, but maybe with the demographic changes taking place things will get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Well sure, I fear that this way of thinking will creep across the border more than it already has. We're massively influenced by what happens in the US. So who's fault is that ? Get a life without America and Americans having to fill the void. I've met lots of great people there. It's sad to see what's happening there, but maybe with the demographic changes taking place things will get better. Irrelevant.....America will succeed or fail regardless of what you think or feel in Canada. "Better" for the U.S. cannot be defined by you or Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 So who's fault is that ? Get a life without America and Americans having to fill the void. Irrelevant.....America will succeed or fail regardless of what you think or feel in Canada. "Better" for the U.S. cannot be defined by you or Canada. American media dominates the world. An American (well except for the really smart ones, few and far between) what that's like for non-Americans. Yes, you all are going to have to figure it out for yourselves. But we'll continue to shout out encouragement from the sidelines. But then, this is a Canadian forum, where we discuss what we think about things, including Americans. Why are you here again, if you don't care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 American media dominates the world. An American (well except for the really smart ones, few and far between) what that's like for non-Americans. Why doesn't Canadian media "dominate the world" ? Many Americans come from around the world, including Canada, so they do know. Yes, you all are going to have to figure it out for yourselves. But we'll continue to shout out encouragement from the sidelines. But then, this is a Canadian forum, where we discuss what we think about things, including Americans. Why are you here again, if you don't care? Because your "Canadian forum" exists in my country....in a state we call Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Because your "Canadian forum" exists in my country....in a state we call Texas. Keeping on guard,. or what. Do you patrol every forum that has it's servers in Texas? You must keep mighty busy/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I guess I missed all that talk, or ignored it. But since it's been dragged up. 1) I wouldn't blame the NRA solely for what happened 2) I assume the blend of victims is made up of gun; owners, advocates, controllers and mentally ill and healthy people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Oops Edited December 28, 2012 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Because your "Canadian forum" exists in my country....in a state we call Texas. if you need someone to talk to, we'll take you in. we're friendly folks. :hugs: Edited December 28, 2012 by bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Because your "Canadian forum" exists in my country....in a state we call Texas. And Skype "exists" in Luxembourg. Ever use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 And Skype "exists" in Luxembourg. Ever use it? Nope. I still like to use the ancient electro-mechanical device invented by a Scotsman working at Boston University, also in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Nope. I still like to use the ancient electro-mechanical device invented by a Scotsman working at Boston University, also in America. Oh, you mean the guy who lived in Cape Breton. What do you use it for, to contact all those Indian call centers used by American companies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Oh, you mean the guy who lived in Cape Breton. Yeah, that guy...he preferred to do his serious work in the United States. What do you use it for, to contact all those Indian call centers used by American companies? I use it for my dial-up modem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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