DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) What a silly comment to make. The problem is that you're unable to comprehend that the people in Gaza have nowhere to go. All they can do is guess where Israel is going to bomb next. People are moving away from Hamas leader homes and moving to areas where there aren't Hamas homes. That seems to not be working, as it was demonstrated by the 11 family members who were flattened by Israel's "precision" bombs. Give me a reason why I should be debating with someone who will not back away from thinking that 500,000 people can fit in a couple of square miles, where 7500 Jewish settlers used to live. Is there really a point with chatting to illogical and irrational people like? More excuses. Woodstock saw 500,000 hang out for three days of love and peace. What's a week or two when it comes to your loved ones? The very evacuation, btw, would be a great media event. Lots of sympathy from folks just like yourself. Hamas WOULD be exposed for elimination. But, that's OK...isn't it? Also...why do you think there are NO civilians leaving Gaza City?...at least that the media is reporting on. Edited November 19, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 Maybe they can also get a few bands out and rock it out while watching the fireworks. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Maybe they can also get a few bands out and rock it out while watching the fireworks. They did during the Infitadas. Pardon...Intifadas Edited November 19, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 So....any speculation as to why no civilians are leaving Gaza City with their families...you know....like you or I would do? I know I can't even get you to show how Italy managed to arm Irgun during the middle of WW2. But, this is merely speculation requiring no links or references. Any thoughts? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Signals.Cpl Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) The Heroic Hamas is using the media as human shields http://news.national..._medium=twitter And if you look at the picture the IDF is doing a great job avoiding unnecessary casualties with such precision strikes. If they were the blood thirsty oppressors of Hudson Jones's bud's dreams they would have levelled the building and a couple others around them. Hamas sends unprovoked attacks against civilians, and when the IDF comes knocking they hide in Heavily populated areas in order to cause mass casualties and cry about brutal Israel to the fools who support terrorist scum like Hamas, the same organization that is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Palestinians are in their current position because of their own idiocy not because of Israel, they had a choice and they made the wrong one and paid for it, are paying for it and will continue paying for their wrong choices for the forceable future. Edited November 19, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Which Hamas leader are you referring to? Ahmed al-Jarabi, one of Hamas' top guys it seems. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085 Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 So....any speculation as to why no civilians are leaving Gaza City with their families...you know....like you or I would do? I know I can't even get you to show how Italy managed to arm Irgun during the middle of WW2. But, this is merely speculation requiring no links or references. Any thoughts? Where would they go? Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) So....any speculation as to why no civilians are leaving Gaza City with their families...you know....like you or I would do? I don't want to continue silly conversations. I know I can't even get you to show how Italy managed to arm Irgun during the middle of WW2. But, this is merely speculation requiring no links or references. Any thoughts? My thoughts? I recommend that you start reading books. Edited November 19, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Ahmed al-Jarabi, one of Hamas' top guys it seems.http://www.haaretz.c...remium-1.478085 Do you think that happened out of the blue - or in response to Hamas' actions? Quote
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Do you think that happened out of the blue - or in response to Hamas' actions? If a peace deal was being brokered and this Hamas leader was bringing the proposals back to the rest of the Hamas leadership, what would be the purpose of taking him out? This also happened a couple weeks ago if looking at the timelines. So it could be that the rocket attacks from Gaza are a response to the assassination of this Hamas leader bringing back a peace deal. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 If a peace deal was being brokered and this Hamas leader was bringing the proposals back to the rest of the Hamas leadership, what would be the purpose of taking him out? This also happened a couple weeks ago if looking at the timelines. So it could be that the rocket attacks from Gaza are a response to the assassination of this Hamas leader bringing back a peace deal. This is from the Guardian, so you can't claim biased reporting; Ahmed al-Jaabari, the head of the Islamist organisation's military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam, died when his car was struck in Gaza City by a missile after Israel warned it may step up targeted assassinations, having endured almost a week of intense rocket fire from Gaza. http://www.guardian....d-gaza-jaabairi Quote
Black Dog Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Where would they go? DoP wants to drive them into the sea. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 I don't want to continue silly conversations. My thoughts? I recommend that you start reading books. Tough questions, I realize. The Italian part you brought-up. No? Either way, I have to wonder what sort of a group Hamas and their supporters are that they'd rather see casualties rather than allowing civilians to move to safety. I can guarantee you that if this was a Canadian city, we'd be making every effort to get them to safety. No matter it Charlottetown or Victoria or wherever. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 I have to wonder if Hamas doesn't want peace because it would be the end of the profitable tunnel-smuggling business - which is a major source of their funding. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 I have to wonder if Hamas doesn't want peace because it would be the end of the profitable tunnel-smuggling business - which is a major source of their funding. Even UNRWA doesn't want it to end. It's the most bloated agency in the UN. Jobs, jobs, jobs... Hamas are quite up front in their goals and their cross-fingered talks about 'permanent truces' (what's that?) and peace deals are just ways to gain a tactical advantage of some kind. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Perhaps you can explain why Hamas refuses to put into practice any civil defense. Like people in the Americas who had to cope with the unmitigated occupation of their homes, it's probably a luxury they simply can't afford. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Bonam Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Like people in the Americas who had to cope with the unmitigated occupation of their homes, it's probably a luxury they simply can't afford. Survival is never a luxury, it should be the first order of business, for any sane people. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Like people in the Americas who had to cope with the unmitigated occupation of their homes, it's probably a luxury they simply can't afford. We had a nice bomb shelter. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Survival is never a luxury, it should be the first order of business, for any sane people. Yes it's a typically insane argument that folks aren't heading for safer ground because it's inconvenient. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 I have to wonder if Hamas doesn't want peace because it would be the end of the profitable tunnel-smuggling business - which is a major source of their funding. Of all the things to wonder, you point the finger at Hamas. Ever wondered that this has something to do with the Israeli elections? That this was another Israeli escalation, (started after breaking a ceasefire), right before an election to take attention away from internal economic and social issues? Every wondered that this could be about Iran? By weakening Hamas and reducing its stockpiles and capabilities during a war on Iran, they would reduce the chances of being attacked by Hamas Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 This is from the Guardian, so you can't claim biased reporting; Ahmed al-Jaabari, the head of the Islamist organisation's military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam, died when his car was struck in Gaza City by a missile after Israel warned it may step up targeted assassinations, having endured almost a week of intense rocket fire from Gaza. http://www.guardian....d-gaza-jaabairi Even if that is the case, what good would it do to assassinate someone who took part in brokering a deal and bringing that back to the leadership in Hamas? Seems counter productive. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Even if that is the case, what good would it do to assassinate someone who took part in brokering a deal and bringing that back to the leadership in Hamas? Seems counter productive. Perhaps Israel didn't trust him - in light of the recent rocket attacks? He was the long time military leader of Hamas, and it was Hamas that was firing the rockets - and had attacked an Israeli mobile patrol inside Israeli territory on November 10. You accused Israel of creating a false security with the peace talks, to bring Jabari out in the open. Are you now going to accuse Palestine of trying to create a false illusion of peace? I'm guessing not ..... Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 "So, we agree? No more punches?" "No more punches." "Okay. We agree? No more punches." "Yep. Truce. No more punches." "Okay. I'm going for a drive" *BOOM* "Hamas started it!" Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 "So, we agree? No more punches?" "No more punches." "Okay. We agree? No more punches." "Yep. Truce. No more punches." "Okay. I'm going for a drive" *BOOM* "Hamas started it!" Preceding that.... "So, we agree? No more rockets?" "No more rockets." "Okay. We agree? No more rockets." "Yep. Truce. No more rockets." "Okay.I'm going to relax and enjoy the peace." *ROCKETS FIRED INTO ISRAEL* "Israel started it!" Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 Reality: MONDAY, 12 NOVEMBER Palestinian militant factions agree to a truce if Israel ends its attacks. WEDNESDAY, 14 NOVEMBER Israel breaks two days of calm by assassinating Ahmed Jabari, the head of Hamas' military wing. According to reports, at least eight other Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks, including at least two children. Palestinian militant groups vow to respond. More on the Truce between Hamas and Israel: Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders. Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination. "I think that they have made a strategic mistake," Baskin said, an error "which will cost the lives of quite a number of innocent people on both sides." "This blood could have been spared. Those who made the decision must be judged by the voters, but to my regret they will get more votes because of this," he added. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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