Poll shows NDP losing out to the Liberals

punked · November 18, 2012

It's hard to say. I don't think so. The BQ was handed a pretty firm rejection last time. I think what's more likely is that the NDP will retain a presence in Quebec. How strong a presence is going to depend on what Trudeau does there. Outside of Quebec and Canada's armpits (Windsor/Hamilton etc), I'd be willing to bet the NDP gets nuked by Trudeau.

You haven't even seen the guy talk about the issue or take anything but softball questions. I say we all just wait and see before we talk about any change in dynamics.

WWWTT · November 19, 2012

He's right. The idea that this country has become more polarized is kind of silly. People voted for the CPC in the last few elections because they were closest to the ground that the Liberals used to occupy.

Sorry,he's wrong.

Thanks to the conservatives and the bills and motions that they are pushing through parliament,they are trying to create a polarized climate to feed upon.

WWWTT

Fletch 27 · November 19, 2012

Seems more like"thanks to the conservatives"... There are many many more conservatives! Even better!

Silly NDP.. It's all but over for them....

Moonbox · November 19, 2012

You haven't even seen the guy talk about the issue or take anything but softball questions. I say we all just wait and see before we talk about any change in dynamics.

I don't need to see the guy talk. Voters are stupid enough to vote for him simply for his name. The fact that he's young and has an ounce of charisma (something Harper and Mulcair sorely lack) will get young people out and voting for him. His phoenix-like resurrection of the Liberal Party will be a compelling story, and will get past Liberal voters back in droves, remembering the good 'ol days of Papa Trudeau.

punked, in an ideal world the things you mentioned would actually matter. Unfortunately, in our world, they don't.

Sorry,he's wrong.

Thanks to the conservatives and the bills and motions that they are pushing through parliament,they are trying to create a polarized climate to feed upon.

Gee, what a well-conceived and intelligent post...

Edited November 19, 2012 by Moonbox

PIK · November 19, 2012

http://www.sunnewsne...114-145514.html

Justin loses his temper on Sun News network.

That man just does not get it, as a con make him your leader, as a canadian get rid of him. Martha will show what a fool this boy really is.

Boges · November 19, 2012

Sorry,he's wrong.

Thanks to the conservatives and the bills and motions that they are pushing through parliament,they are trying to create a polarized climate to feed upon.

WWWTT

And this is different from the Chretien Liberals how?

The Omnibus bills just doesn't waste people's time because they're going to pass regardless of what the Opposition thinks.

madmax · November 19, 2012

He's right. The idea that this country has become more polarized is kind of silly. People voted for the CPC in the last few elections because they were closest to the ground that the Liberals used to occupy.

I really think this is lost on most people, and I think that is the result of the handful of batshit crazy CPC MPs that have been allowed to spread their wings of late. But going back to the Election Period, the CPC ran a very impact , low on hysterics, smallc (if I can use this term without irony to the poster) campaign. The message was simple, the goals were moderate.

And quiet Frankly, it wasn't a campaign of Austerity, even though the Economic collapse was in 2008, and the recovery not yet on the horizon, the fact was the CPC ran the highest deficit in Canadian History based on the Liberal Deficit Spending projections in order to gain the 2nd party support.

The CPC fiscal path has not wavered or changed, their has been a trend towards more radical right idealogy, and alot more loose nuts are coming out of the closet but the ship is still going in roughly the same direction. Slightly Centre Right.

And considering Canadians tend to be Centreleft, Centre , and Right, Polarization of the electorate does not have a lasting effect as it does in the US.

WIth regards to the recent polls..........

After Jack Passed Away the NDP were t o fade away.

After the Leadership Campaign the NDP were to fade away

After Mulcair brought the NDP numbers above the CPC , the NDP were to fade away.

Now with the NDP numbers about the same as during the 2011 Election and with the LPC numbers recovering to that level, 22% range, the calls of the death of the NDP continue.

Infact every paper has reported this amazing fact that the Liberals are overtaking the NDP by approaching 22%.

I find this interesting and yet more proof of the bias of the Conservative and Liberal media and the slant that these "unbiased" polling firms provide.

If I recall correctly the NDP was leading all parties during the summer, yet the headlines would somehow avert there eyes from this fact and move on to a different analysis.

And yes after many consecutive polls, after which all the firms and corporate media had to continually make excuses for the NDP lead, after months on top, the NDp was reported to be in a Statistical tie,

thankfully for the corporate Conservative and Liberal Media, they can circle the wagons around the fact that the CPC is once again in the lead, although not growing and completely unchanged in data, and the NDP has returned to its 2011 electoral outcomes.

Or as someone put it months back....

Status Quo returns once the leader is choosen.

madmax · November 19, 2012

And this is different from the Chretien Liberals how?

The Omnibus bills just doesn't waste people's time because they're going to pass regardless of what the Opposition thinks.

I disagree with that. Omnibus bills are designed so that alot of data and policy has less time for attention to detail, discussion and debate. They were wrong when Chretien did them, and it seems that Harper has done a flip flop is now an enabler of this weak policy approach.

Much like everything the Liberals have done in the past the Conservatives now do the same, only bigger and with even less regard for parliment much less the electorate

Moonbox · November 19, 2012

I don't really agree with Omnibus bills in theory, but with how parliament and the electorate work these days, it's understandable why they're there. It doesn't really matter what the government does (whether it be Liberal or Conservative), the opposition is always going to do everything it can to tear it apart, amend it, criticize it and natter about it in committees. There's very little honest discussion about the pros/cons of the legislation on either side and that's unfortunate for the state of our democracy. The voters need to start getting interested to see how poorly things are being run.

Sleipnir · November 19, 2012

Now with the NDP numbers about the same as during the 2011 Election and with the LPC numbers recovering to that level, 22% range, the calls of the death of the NDP continue.

With the Liberal leadership underway, it was pretty obvious that the NDP was gonna take a slump.

The real deal is after the Liberal leadership race when Trudeau settled in as a leader. Then comparing Mulcair and Trudeau as who makes the better option to take on Harper.

cybercoma · November 19, 2012

If there is any bias in the media, it's against the NDP. They get very little coverage compared to the other parties.

bleeding heart · November 19, 2012

WIth regards to the recent polls..........

After Jack Passed Away the NDP were t o fade away.

After the Leadership Campaign the NDP were to fade away

After Mulcair brought the NDP numbers above the CPC , the NDP were to fade away.

Now with the NDP numbers about the same as during the 2011 Election and with the LPC numbers recovering to that level, 22% range, the calls of the death of the NDP continue.

Infact every paper has reported this amazing fact that the Liberals are overtaking the NDP by approaching 22%.

I find this interesting and yet more proof of the bias of the Conservative and Liberal media and the slant that these "unbiased" polling firms provide.

If I recall correctly the NDP was leading all parties during the summer, yet the headlines would somehow avert there eyes from this fact and move on to a different analysis.

And yes after many consecutive polls, after which all the firms and corporate media had to continually make excuses for the NDP lead, after months on top, the NDp was reported to be in a Statistical tie,

thankfully for the corporate Conservative and Liberal Media, they can circle the wagons around the fact that the CPC is once again in the lead, although not growing and completely unchanged in data, and the NDP has returned to its 2011 electoral outcomes.

Or as someone put it months back....

Status Quo returns once the leader is choosen.

Well said, good points.

Moonbox · November 19, 2012

All of these points, however, ignore the fact that the NDP's success was at least partially owed to a poorly led and humbled Liberal Party and to Papa Jack's charisma. Jack's gone and the Liberals appear to be shaking things up. We'll see how things work out, but I sincerely doubt that moderate Canadians are going to warm up to Thomas Mulcair and it's almost certain that boy-Trudeau will rally the sheep behind him. Personally, I'd like to see Martha Hall Findlay upset Trudeau in the leadership campaign. From what little I know of her, she appears to be the smart, practical and tough-choice-making leader that could ACTUALLY change things up in Canada.

Sleipnir · November 19, 2012

From what little I know of her, she appears to be the smart, practical and tough-choice-making leader that could ACTUALLY change things up in Canada.

In my opinion Martha looks better than Trudeau on world stage.

cybercoma · November 20, 2012

Jack's charisma was part of it, but it was Mulcair that did the work in Québec that led to the breakthrough there.

wyly · November 20, 2012

With the Liberal leadership underway, it was pretty obvious that the NDP was gonna take a slump.

The real deal is after the Liberal leadership race when Trudeau settled in as a leader. Then comparing Mulcair and Trudeau as who makes the better option to take on Harper.

that's assuming trudeau win's the race...everyone assumed Brian topp was going to win the NDP leadership...

cybercoma · November 20, 2012

If Brian Topp had a seat, he may have won the NDP leadership race.

wyly · November 20, 2012

possibly but he didn't and all the talk of an early lead and support from the established leadership of the NDP did him no good, the media and some insiders had him crowned before the event...the media coronation of trudeau is premature...

Sleipnir · November 20, 2012

that's assuming trudeau win's the race...

I'll be absolutely shock and flabbergasted if Trudeau doesn't win it.

everyone assumed Brian topp was going to win the NDP leadership...

Not really, even with Topp in the race - it was still too close to make a call.

TwoDucks · November 20, 2012

I'll be absolutely shock and flabbergasted if Trudeau doesn't win it.

Not really, even with Topp in the race - it was still too close to make a call.

Agreed. Topp was a major contender, but I seem to recall Mulcair being considered to have a solid chance. Although it may change, I don't see any Liberal who has nearly as much of a chance to derail Trudeau.