wyly Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Ahhhhhhhhh. 308..... A fine blog as opposed to the fantasy land bubble you live in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I wouldn't compare 308 with Nate Silver. ThreeOhEight is a polling aggregate, but I don't think they get as in depth about polling accuracy and history as Mr. Silver does. I think 308 just gives a simple average. which is better than anything else we get...I find 308 quite neutralin it's approach... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 which is better than anything else we get...I find 308 quite neutralin it's approach... Oh, absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Said the 2 leftists...right in the middle of the left...... Edited November 14, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Oh, absolutely. silver was awesome by the way, absolutely nailed it, I read he only missed one seat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Claim down the Liberals will never support the types of populist ideas they need to to come back in this country. They will remain a brokerage party that blows with the wind and when the Canadian public tunes in they will be tossed aside. They need to actually change to make a comeback in todays world and until that happens good luck. Looking forward to the PQs investigation in Quebec politics bet it drags the Liberal brand through the mud again in that province and the Liberals aren't going anyway unless they start to rebuild their Quebec wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Seems to me that the Liberals and NDP will split the centre and left vote allowing the CPC to win the election again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 interesting not so long ago righties on the forum were claiming if it came down to a choice between CPC or NDP the liberals would go CPC rather than the commies...now their claiming liberal strength will only be at the expense of the NDP ...aaah the bizarre logic that exists only in rightwing bubble land... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Seems to me that the Liberals and NDP will split the centre and left vote allowing the CPC to win the election again. Or perhaps split the right depending on whatever policies they adopt in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Or perhaps split the right depending on whatever policies they adopt in the future. and seeing as the liberals are still the party of the center it's only natural they reclaim the votes they lost to the cpc on the right fringe of center.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) I'm geussing you guys all get antsy in June for christmas.. its nearly three years until the next federal election.. I have more odds on the world getting there than who will have favour 3 years from now. Edited November 17, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 interesting not so long ago righties on the forum were claiming if it came down to a choice between CPC or NDP the liberals would go CPC rather than the commies...now their claiming liberal strength will only be at the expense of the NDP ...aaah the bizarre logic that exists only in rightwing bubble land... It's interesting to you because you don't like to think things through. Red tories will vote Conservative before they vote NDP. If the NDP are showing strong, these people will flock to the CPC to ensure the NDP doesn't have a chance to form the government. If, on the other hand, the Liberals can field a strong candidate, not only will some of these red Tories possibly go back to the Liberals, the left of centre vote likely rally behind him and oust the Conservatives. A strong Liberal Party would nuke the NDP back to it's 3rd party status and (given how long he's been running things) probably knock Harper out and the CPC back to a minority at best but more likely the Opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 If, on the other hand, the Liberals can field a strong candidate, not only will some of these red Tories possibly go back to the LiberalsI may vote Liberal in the next election simply because power needs to change hands periodically for democracy to mean something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 It's interesting to you because you don't like to think things through. Red tories will vote Conservative before they vote NDP. If the NDP are showing strong, these people will flock to the CPC to ensure the NDP doesn't have a chance to form the government. If, on the other hand, the Liberals can field a strong candidate, not only will some of these red Tories possibly go back to the Liberals, the left of centre vote likely rally behind him and oust the Conservatives. A strong Liberal Party would nuke the NDP back to it's 3rd party status and (given how long he's been running things) probably knock Harper out and the CPC back to a minority at best but more likely the Opposition. But the country is more polarized. That means there is less of a middle to grab and those playing g for it risk have their right and left wi g split if that happens then the NDP and CPC will caniblize the middle as people see their values worth more then their vote. Ask EVERY OTHER DEMOCRACY in the world about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 It's interesting to you because you don't like to think things through. Red tories will vote Conservative before they vote NDP. If the NDP are showing strong, these people will flock to the CPC to ensure the NDP doesn't have a chance to form the government. If, on the other hand, the Liberals can field a strong candidate, not only will some of these red Tories possibly go back to the Liberals, the left of centre vote likely rally behind him and oust the Conservatives. A strong Liberal Party would nuke the NDP back to it's 3rd party status and (given how long he's been running things) probably knock Harper out and the CPC back to a minority at best but more likely the Opposition. whoa!! talk about a lack of reading comprehension... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunrutz Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) interesting not so long ago righties on the forum were claiming if it came down to a choice between CPC or NDP the liberals would go CPC rather than the commies...now their claiming liberal strength will only be at the expense of the NDP ...aaah the bizarre logic that exists only in rightwing bubble land... So...? Moving from the Liberals to the NDP in lieu of the CPC isn't the same as moving from the NDP to the Liberals, unless you assume that all of the NDP vote came from the liberals in the first place, so unless you have evidence of that beyond what you believe it might be your writing ability that is causing the confusion more so than the reading comprehension of others. Edited November 17, 2012 by gunrutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 But the country is more polarized. That means there is less of a middle to grab and those playing g for it risk have their right and left wi g split if that happens then the NDP and CPC will caniblize the middle as people see their values worth more then their vote. Ask EVERY OTHER DEMOCRACY in the world about that. It's not really that polarized, and our politics have not shifted that drastically in the last 10 years. The polarization people seem to believe is happening in Canada is more the result of poorly managed Liberal Party more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 whoa!! talk about a lack of reading comprehension... Right...Good one wyly. All that's happening is the NDP's fluke support in the last election is going to disappear and go back to the Liberals. The Tories may be mildly affected. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Right...Good one wyly. All that's happening is the NDP's fluke support in the last election is going to disappear and go back to the Liberals. The Tories may be mildly affected. That's all. So you think the support in Quebec will go back to the BQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) http://www.sunnewsne...114-145514.html Justin loses his temper on Sun News network. Edited November 17, 2012 by Sleipnir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 It's not really that polarized, and our politics have not shifted that drastically in the last 10 years. The polarization people seem to believe is happening in Canada is more the result of poorly managed Liberal Party more than anything else. I don't think you are right but we will see I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I don't think you are right but we will see I am sure. He's right. The idea that this country has become more polarized is kind of silly. People voted for the CPC in the last few elections because they were closest to the ground that the Liberals used to occupy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 http://www.sunnewsne...114-145514.html Justin loses his temper on Sun News network. The shape of things to come! I warned about putting to much faith into "The messiah" WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 He's right. The idea that this country has become more polarized is kind of silly. People voted for the CPC in the last few elections because they were closest to the ground that the Liberals used to occupy. Meh. The CPC won because of the sponsorship scandal, end of story. And thats a good thing! Canadians dont vote FOR political parties they vote AGAINST them. The real choice made was to turf the liberals out of power, because they got caught screwing around. The Conservatives were just in the right place at the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 So you think the support in Quebec will go back to the BQ? It's hard to say. I don't think so. The BQ was handed a pretty firm rejection last time. I think what's more likely is that the NDP will retain a presence in Quebec. How strong a presence is going to depend on what Trudeau does there. Outside of Quebec and Canada's armpits (Windsor/Hamilton etc), I'd be willing to bet the NDP gets nuked by Trudeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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