I love America!

carepov · November 8, 2012

Both candidates were Americans....they have to be by Constitution....born in the US of A.

The point is 40,000,000+ people CAN be wrong!

Canada is more boring compared to the United States. The constant U.S. references here and in general Canadian media, education, business, politics, etc., etc, fills a void in Canada.

OK, I will concede that Canada is more boring than the US.

Well clearly the rate is not better in happy, collectivist, and safer Canada.

Well clearly Canada’s suicide rate is no worse than the US despite the long dark winters.

I sure hope so, as they are different nations with different experiences. One has a population of 320,000,000 compared to 35,000,000. I guess people voted with their feet.

I think your premise may be askew in assuming that what appeals to Canadians would/should be a universal desire. The American experience doesn't enjoy any such monopoy either, but clearly it is more popular than Canada's, for a variety of reasons.

Wouldn’t staying out of jail be a “universal desire”? Americans are over 6 times more likely to be in jail.

Wouldn’t surviving child birth be a “universal desire”? American women are twice as likely to die giving birth.

Wouldn’t not getting murdered be a “universal desire”? Americans are about 3 times more likely to get murdered.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

The point is 40,000,000+ people CAN be wrong!

Not sure what you mean....voting is not "wrong".regardless of the winning/losing candidates.

OK, I will concede that Canada is more boring than the US.

OK..not a tough conclusion.

Well clearly Canada’s suicide rate is no worse than the US despite the long dark winters.

Right...the Canadian experience offers no advantage for the mental health of people, and in fact may exacerbate suicide due to specific causes like "cold, dark winters".

Wouldn’t staying out of jail be a “universal desire”? Americans are over 6 times more likely to be in jail.

Not necessarily....gang bangers often think of prison as just another kind of university.

Wouldn’t surviving child birth be a “universal desire”? American women are twice as likely to die giving birth.

Yes, but more Canadian women seek reproductive health care in the USA than Americans going to Canada.

Wouldn’t not getting murdered be a “universal desire”? Americans are about 3 times more likely to get murdered.

Yes, not getting murdered is likely a universal desire, but cringing in fear at such a possibility and limiting life experience to avoid murder is not. Canadians are routinely murdered in Mexico but many Canadians still go there on holiday. Anecdotally, it seems that the notion of a vacation away from Canada in winter is a very high priority for many Canadians.

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Canada has its good points. Eye surgery for my wife would have cost upward of $30k in the USA. Here it was paid for by the Medical Service Plan...no waiting...no quack doctors...100% successful.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

Canada has its good points. Eye surgery for my wife would have cost upward of $30k in the USA. Here it was paid for by the Medical Service Plan...no waiting...no quack doctors...100% successful.

Right...I am sure that Canada's many good points appeal to its citizens and non-citizens alike. It's good to have more choices and options. I think this kind of debate leaves the spirit of member kimmy's intent when the relative value of either nation is judged from the perspective of the other. I think some Canadians pay attention to what happens in the USA with the false expectation that Americans would reciprocate in equal measure.

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Right...I am sure that Canada's many good points appeal to its citizens and non-citizens alike. It's good to have more choices and options. I think this kind of debate leaves the spirit of member kimmy's intent when the relative value of either nation is judged from the perspective of the other. I think some Canadians pay attention to what happens in the USA with the false expectation that Americans would reciprocate in equal measure.

Remember, many Canadians think Americans care about hockey...

I, of course, am under no false illusions. Plus, unlike a lot of Canadians have just as many relatives south of the 49th as north. As does zee wif... The rabid anti-Americanism seems to come from rather different elements than from my lot. Plus, when tasked, these same Canadians will often quickly backtrack as both my wife and I have noticed. At times, folks will think she's 100% Canadian and will make the mistake of bad-mouthing the USA in front of her. Yeah...Mistake...

Edited November 8, 2012 by DogOnPorch

Black Dog · November 8, 2012

Right...I am sure that Canada's many good points appeal to its citizens and non-citizens alike. It's good to have more choices and options. I think this kind of debate leaves the spirit of member kimmy's intent when the relative value of either nation is judged from the perspective of the other. I think some Canadians pay attention to what happens in the USA with the false expectation that Americans would reciprocate in equal measure.

Nope. But we find it funny that some Americans will go to such great lengths to lecture Canadians about our country's irrelevance and inferiority. For example by going to Canadian message boards and opining on Canadian politics from an American P.O.V.

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Nope. But we find it funny that some Americans will go to such great lengths to lecture Canadians about our country's irrelevance and inferiority. For example by going to Canadian message boards and opining on Canadian politics from an American P.O.V.

Hosted in the United States of America.

Black Dog · November 8, 2012

Hosted in the United States of America.

And?

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

And?

Is a 'joiner word' used to connect different elements of a sentence.

If you don't see the irony of your statement, I'm not going to help you see it.

Black Dog · November 8, 2012

Is a 'joiner word' used to connect different elements of a sentence.

If you don't see the irony of your statement, I'm not going to help you see it.

I don't think you know the meaning of the word irony. Perhaps you are using it in the same sense as Canadian singer Alanis Morisette?

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

I don't think you know the meaning of the word irony. Perhaps you are using it in the same sense as Canadian singer Alanis Morisette?

Uh...no...I got it right. But thanks for the concern.

Black Dog · November 8, 2012

Uh...no...I got it right. But thanks for the concern.

So there's an incongruity in the fact that a Canadian political board is hosted in the United States? Why?

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

.... At times, folks will think she's 100% Canadian and will make the mistake of bad-mouthing the USA in front of her. Yeah...Mistake...

Yes, that would be very interesting to watch. Some Canadians, perhaps even a small minority, bond this way. The Americans are an easy and omnipresent target. It's a lopsided culture war, and Canada has the added stress of an internal conflict over Quebec.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

Hosted in the United States of America.

Spot on as usual....hosting this "Canadian" web site in Texas is a metaphor for the larger issue of how pervasive the U.S. is/can be to many things "Canadian".

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Yes, that would be very interesting to watch. Some Canadians, perhaps even a small minority, bond this way. The Americans are an easy and omnipresent target. It's a lopsided culture war, and Canada has the added stress of an internal conflict over Quebec.

Plus, you get a "real time" example of rabid anti-Americanism at play right here at MLW...

Good thing Canada invented the internet...otherwise you Americans wouldn't be privy to all this.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

Alanis Morissette is also an American citizen. And so it goes.....

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Alanis Morissette is also an American citizen. And so it goes.....

Shhhhhhh...

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

Plus, you get a "real time" example of rabid anti-Americanism at play right here at MLW...

Good thing Canada invented the internet...otherwise you Americans wouldn't be privy to all this.

Right, but in defense of our resident American haters, this sentiment is consistently on display across many CBC article comments, as was also the case in the former CBC forum (now defunct). What we see here is a good sampling of Canadian sentiment, including pro-American support. This is most evident for the very technology related things you allude to, such as NASA.

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Right, but in defense of our resident American haters, this sentiment is consistently on display across many CBC article comments, as was also the case in the former CBC forum (now defunct). What we see here is a good sampling of Canadian sentiment, including pro-American support. This is most evident for the very technology related things you allude to, such as NASA.

My favorite NHL player growing up was Alex Delvecchio...born in Canada. Played for the Detroit Red Wings for-freakin'-ever. Told me a lot about our two countries, right there.

Edited November 8, 2012 by DogOnPorch

Black Dog · November 8, 2012

Yes, that would be very interesting to watch. Some Canadians, perhaps even a small minority, bond this way. The Americans are an easy and omnipresent target. It's a lopsided culture war, and Canada has the added stress of an internal conflict over Quebec.

The fuck you know about it? I get its your troll schtick and all, but come one: you simply can't chide Canadians for taking an interest in the U.S. while pretending you know jack all about Canadian politics or our collective consciousness.

DogOnPorch · November 8, 2012

Temper, temper...

jacee · November 8, 2012

Noted....I suppose we can all jump with glee over the constant "condescending U.S. bashing", eh? If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

If you can't take it, don't hang out on a Canadian board.

You incite anti-American sentiment, imo.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

My favorite NHL player growing up was Alex Delvecchio...born in Canada. Played for the Detroit Red Wings for-freakin'-ever. Told me a lot about our two countries, right there.

Funny you should mention the NHL, then and now are most problematic for some in Canada. Then it was the loss of The Great One, and now it is the corruption of Canada's game by Bettman and those damn Americans. (Never mind that 4 of the Original Six teams were in U.S. cities.)

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

Temper, temper...

The first thing they lose is their cool.....

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2012

If you can't take it, don't hang out on a Canadian board.

You incite anti-American sentiment, imo.

Quite to the contrary, I want to be the American punching bag that you flail against in raw angst. It is my intention to be provocative and ask the hard questions while presenting the hard facts.

Remember, I am not Canadian.