Sleipnir Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm sorry but this screams bias. "WND Faith commissioned" this - and furthermore the methodology isn't published. If you want some real studies go to some respected firms: Gallup and PewResearch http://www.newsmax.c...08/02/id/405835 http://pewresearch.o...m-americans.pdf Yeah what this guy said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 However, there is more violence between Muslims and the various factions (Shiite vs Sunni as an example) as there is violence from Muslims to non-Muslims. Has it occurred to you that is because those other factions are more readily in reach? They're more likely to be living together than with others. However, ask the Christians in Egypt or the Buddhists in Bangladesh or the Hindus in Indonesia or Malaysia how safe they feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 oh and i love mr. canada and his colbert-esque approach to debating. he manages to flush out all the Resident Right Wing Nutjobs And a few left wing nut jobs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 There's no mention of how the samples were picked. That was suspicious to me. It's a scientific poll conducted by public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies that shows a breakdown by Dem/Rep/Independent. It also gives the margin of error.* Seems to me that pretty much covers it, since the margin of error is generally what shows how accurate a poll is. * The margin of error in a poll is a measurement of how accurately the results of the poll reflect the “true” sentiment of the whole population. It is a statistical formulation of how well the sample (those voters who took the poll) reflects the general population (all voters). http://stats.org/in_depth/faq/margin_of_error.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 10,000 terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam since 9/11 aren't a pretty good indication for you? Indication of what ? I just read a long piece about lynchings in Nigeria. They attributed the cause to rapid social change in the region, and a pervasive anger - along with a justice system that is lacking. Even then, who knows ? Is that really the reason. It would be nice, though, if our so-called discussions of Islam ever got to that level around here. Edited to add: I just realized, I already posted above that I need to know how they got their sample. Once we have some valid data, we can start to talk about what it means, whether it constitutes something that needs to be paid attention to, whether or not to change policy etc. As it is, we're still at first base in discussing these issues. Consider, too, that the OP on this thread says that Obama is going to make criticizing Islam illegal. That pretty much tells you the level of debate we're at here. It's indeed possible for us to have a serious discussion about such things. I think you, Argus, Cybercoma and others could have such a discussion even if I don't agree with all of you. But the discussion is still at a school yard level so IMO we need to wait a little longer before a real discussion takes place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's a scientific poll conducted by public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies that shows a breakdown by Dem/Rep/Independent. It also gives the margin of error.* Seems to me that pretty much covers it, since the margin of error is generally what shows how accurate a poll is. No - in this case, I would like to understand how they did their sampling. Given the fact that they were commissioned by a partisan magazine and that they're not exactly a well-known entity I think it's only reasonable to look closely at the work they did. I might let Gallup or Pew or Rassmussen off the hook if I couldn't find the sample methodology listed but I won't do it for this people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 facts don't lie. That is what another socialist poster said so I too will say it. Facts do not lie. Don't try to twist things here. The majority of Muslims are voting for Obama because Obama will make criticism of Islam illegal. The first amendment will not protect this criticism of Islam. If the majority of Muslims are voting for Obama I would suggest it's more likely because he is less supportive of Israel than Romney promises he will be and because nothing about Romney's campaign really appeals to anyone who isn't rich or crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) Indication of what ? I just read a long piece about lynchings in Nigeria. They attributed the cause to rapid social change in the region, and a pervasive anger - along with a justice system that is lacking. Even then, who knows ? Is that really the reason. Nothing there about the church bombings and murders being committed by Muslim extremists there? An indication of what? How about an indication that throughout the world there seems to be a reflexive political/religious violence amongst many of the followers of Islam and largely directed at those who do not believe exactly as THEY believe? You can't simply say this is due to poverty as some of these people are well-off. You can't attribute it to ignorance as some of the violent are quite educated. You can't attribute it to colonialism for it's being done by people never colonized. It's not merely committed by Arabs but Bangladeshis and Persians and Indians and Malaysians and Filipinos and Indonesians, etc. Kind of hard to analyze cultural reasons, then. Which seems to only leave religion. Edited November 2, 2012 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's a scientific poll conducted by public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies that shows a breakdown by Dem/Rep/Independent. It also gives the margin of error.* Seems to me that pretty much covers it, since the margin of error is generally what shows how accurate a poll is. A poll can be worthless if you don't know how it came to be collected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 10,000 terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam since 9/11 aren't a pretty good indication for you? Argus, I wouldn't waste your time. It's like talking to a brick wall. I think he's so worried about Islamaphobia in general, that he's incapable of accepting the truth. I've honestly never seen anything like it in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 A poll can be worthless if you don't know how it came to be collected. Right, unless it's Obama leading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I might let Gallup or Pew or Rassmussen off the hook if I couldn't find the sample methodology listed but I won't do it for this people. CNN doesn't release the methodology of their polls. Do you believe theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 CNN doesn't release the methodology of their polls. Do you believe theirs? Do they do their own polling? If Fox released a poll saying most Americans felt the economy was bad, I would naturally believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Polls schmolls. It's in the Koran. So if you're a proper Muslim, this IS what you want. http://quran.com/33/57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) 2.5m is a lot of people but out of the population of the USA it is still less than 1%. Wait till you get to the European levels of muslim-population, 5-10% or even more, and let's then return to this topic. Edited November 3, 2012 by -TSS- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 10,000 terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam since 9/11 aren't a pretty good indication for you? really now? is this statistic brought to us by argus and Wenzel Strategies/Citizens United? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) "According to a 2011 report from the Pew Research Center, 63 percent of America's estimated 2.75 million Muslims are immigrants," so I don't think it's too surprising that 58% of Muslims in America would feel differently than they do in the rest of the world. http://www.huffingto..._n_1626268.html The poll breaks down the answers by region, age, gender, income, political affiliation, and philosophy; it is a national phone survey, and appears to cover a broad range of participants. Certainly the results aren't written in stone, but given that the vast majority of imam's are born outside the U.S., it stands to reason that there could be a strong foreign influence within the religion in the U.S. Edited November 3, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) "According to a 2011 report from the Pew Research Center, 63 percent of America's estimated 2.75 million Muslims are immigrants," so I don't think it's too surprising that 58% of Muslims in America would feel differently than they do in the rest of the world. http://www.huffingto..._n_1626268.html The study breaks down the answers by region, age, gender, income, political affiliation, and philosophy; it is a national phone survey, and appears to cover a broad range of participants. Certainly the results aren't written in stone, but given that the vast majority of imam's are born outside the U.S., it stands to reason that there could be a strong foreign influence within the religion in the U.S. Indeed. Plus, while others here may go 'so what?' to it being in the Koran, it IS in the Koran and a good number of Muslims take their book rather literally...rather...lol. Let's say VERY literally. Edited November 3, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) Right, unless it's Obama leading. So now you support Obama? *sarcasm Edited November 3, 2012 by Sleipnir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 a good number of Muslims take their book rather literally...rather...lol. Let's say VERY literally. lol.. kind of like how many jews take the bible literally and actually think palestinian land (aka greater israel) belongs to them even though they really have had no ties to the land, because the book says so? lol lol lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 lol.. kind of like how many jews take the bible literally and actually think palestinian land (aka greater israel) belongs to them even though they really have had no ties to the land, because the book says so? lol lol lol We just saw the "Islamic World" go nuts over a YouTube video and you think your comment holds some weight, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 lol.. kind of like how many jews take the bible literally and actually think palestinian land (aka greater israel) belongs to them even though they really have had no ties to the land, because the book says so? lol lol lol Bud, why do you have to attack Jews in every thread you enter? This thread is about everyday Muslims who seemingly have some fairly disturbing views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Bud, why do you have to attack Jews in every thread you enter? This thread is about everyday Muslims who seemingly have some fairly disturbing views. Bud has a good point. Literal interpretation of a holy book crosses all religions. My guess is that many Christians would also like speech perceived as anti-Christian to be outlawed as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Bud, why do you have to attack Jews in every thread you enter? This thread is about everyday Muslims who seemingly have some fairly disturbing views. i like to confront hypocrites, zealots and those who are selective about what they deem to be acceptable and not acceptable. some people in this thread have a purpose and that is to further their tribalistic and nationalistic agenda by propagating and spreading misinformation and half-truths. people like bonam, dogonmufti, our resident leftist, american woman, jbg and my favourite character, mr. canada (the resident rightwing nutjob). so no, i'm not attacking jews. i love jews. some of my favourite people in this world are jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Bud has a good point. Literal interpretation of a holy book crosses all religions. My guess is that many Christians would also like speech perceived as anti-Christian to be outlawed as well. Oh really? When's the last time you heard of a stoning and who did it? It is in the Bible.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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