cybercoma Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 who gives a shit about what some child like reporters think. Apparently you do, since you're the one complaining about how the media treats poor helpless Harper. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 You are right that papers can be a pain in the arse but the level aimed at Reform and then Harper was greater by a quantum level! Right, it's not like Reform ever broke a promise, such as triple E senate... turning Stornoway into a bingo parlor... not taking government pensions. Moving on... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Off topic question, I see that I have 8 warning points, is that there for everyone to see? Why not make it ON TOPIC and find another thread for your question ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
PIK Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Why not make it ON TOPIC and find another thread for your question ? Why so rude about a simple question? And I imagine if I started a new thread just on that . I would probably get another one. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
scribblet Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 I think if the media boycotted reporting Harper he would be glad! It's better than bad-mouthing him! Harper and the media have been feuding for years, ever since the Reform days. Most of the press went out of their way to write about everything bad ................................ I find it amusing, myself. I always love to see those who treat people badly get their comeuppance! Totally agree - sorta like the U.S. press being in the bag for Obama Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Off topic question, I see that I have 8 warning points, is that there for everyone to see? Nope, I don't see them... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
GostHacked Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Well thank the MSM for the mess they created, how do you hold someone accountable,when they write such garbage as they do, when is someone going to start holding the media accountable in this country. The media for the most part, lobs real softball questions at the leadership of this country. No real investigative journalism happens anymore and no desire to dig deeper into serious questions and situations in which could expose some of the real problems within government. The media is in my view complicit with allowing whatever image Harper and Co want to put forth on the public. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Why so rude about a simple question? And I imagine if I started a new thread just on that . I would probably get another one. I didn't mean to be rude... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
PIK Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Nope, I don't see them... Thank you . Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Wild Bill Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 The media for the most part, lobs real softball questions at the leadership of this country. No real investigative journalism happens anymore and no desire to dig deeper into serious questions and situations in which could expose some of the real problems within government. The media is in my view complicit with allowing whatever image Harper and Co want to put forth on the public. Is that how you see it, GH? I have a different view. First off, it's hard to attack someone when he says so little to you! Harper's strategy is to give the press no ammunition, making it more difficult to start badmouthing him and his party. Second, let's face it. Harper and the CPC are flippin' BORING as personalities! Harper could make an accountant look like a Kardashian on a sex tape! The same goes for most of his caucus. We had a bit of fun with Bernier and his Borg ex-biker girlfriend, Two of Huge. That's been about it! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
eyeball Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Well thank the MSM for the mess they created, how do you hold someone accountable,when they write such garbage as they do, when is someone going to start holding the media accountable in this country. Good question, it should be very easy for Stephen Harper to simply say, "Everything the media says is wrong and a lie. Here are validated, authenticated recordings of everything I have said and or done in the public's domain". In theory there is virtually nothing stopping Stephen Harper or any other politician from holding the media 100% accountable for what it says they've said. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dre Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Chretien never faced a tenth of what Reform and Harper put up with! Back in those days, friends and I would watch some sweet young thing interview Preston Manning. We would play a game of "guess what biased or leading question she will say before she says it!" It was ridiculously easy to do and we would laugh ourselves silly. You are right that papers can be a pain in the arse but the level aimed at Reform and then Harper was greater by a quantum level! If you didn't see that for youself you are either too young to remember, too biased or you just grew up on Mars! Theres no such thing as a partisan that doesnt alledge media bias. YAWN. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Is that how you see it, GH? I have a different view. First off, it's hard to attack someone when he says so little to you! Harper's strategy is to give the press no ammunition, making it more difficult to start badmouthing him and his party. This is an example of being blind to the benefits of transparency. By withholding information you merely invite conjecture. Speaking from my own experience as someone who has an impact on the public's domain - it's stake in the common public resource I utilize - verifiable data and information protects me from charges and concerns that my fishing practices are damaging to the public good. Transparency is my friend not my enemy. Second, let's face it. Harper and the CPC are flippin' BORING as personalities! Harper could make an accountant look like a Kardashian on a sex tape! The same goes for most of his caucus.We had a bit of fun with Bernier and his Borg ex-biker girlfriend, Two of Huge. That's been about it! Watching me land one dogfish after another gets pretty damn boring too, which is why I have to pay people to audit my data to verify it for you. What's important here is that you know there is a process in place that maintains the vigilance that transparency often requires. More importantly, the people being audited know there will always be a chance they'll get caught if they try to slide something past the auditors. In my case they perform an audit of about 7% of my data. If they find more than they like to see in that 7% they audit the other 93%...at my cost. The incentive to be honest is very compelling. The cost of my oversight at 7% is almost equal to a crewman's share, but that said, there are only a very few of us operating in or around the public's domain that are so monitored. I think it's fair to say that with the economy of scale and all that more monitoring of sensitive areas in our domain would bring costs down. I'm convinced better monitoring of the highest offices within DFO for example would benefit both you and me when it comes to better utilization and protection of our fish-stocks. Something else for you to consider as a techie is the amount of electronics that surveillance and souveillance require. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 It's the media's job to criticize the sitting government. It's called accountability. If you can't defend your actions, maybe you shouldn't be in government. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 I'd like to see a media report that spoke in favor of something PM Harper did. Truth is that Harper got a majority without the MSM support and it is driving them crazy that the people didn't listen to them...lol. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Bryan Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Considering how unprofessional and vindictive the media has been towards the conservative movement in general, and to Harper in particular, it's perfectly understandable why Harper doesn't have much to say to them now. If anything, it's commendable how accommodating he is sometimes. That he sits downs with Mansbridge for a one on one a couple of times a year is astounding -- it's far more than the CBC deserves. Quote
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Show him a little respect and maybe he will change. Everything the media came out with about harper turned out to be wrong and nobody has come out and said it. The media is their own worst enemy and have nobody to blame but themselves if the PMO is not talking to them.Start acting like professionals instead of children trying to be bullies. It is very simple. Unless when they criticize the NDP right? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 I'd like to see a media report that spoke in favor of something PM Harper did. Truth is that Harper got a majority without the MSM support and it is driving them crazy that the people didn't listen to them...lol. You know who else got a majority? Brian Mulroney,twice! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 is astounding -- it's far more than the CBC deserves. Astounding for someone who doesn't believe in openness and accountability! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 In theory there is virtually nothing stopping Stephen Harper or any other politician from holding the media 100% accountable for what it says they've said. Bang on!!! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wild Bill Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It's the media's job to criticize the sitting government. It's called accountability. If you can't defend your actions, maybe you shouldn't be in government. I'm afraid I don't share your rosy view of the media. You seem to be saying that they are all professionals who see their job as making sure politicians and governments stay on the straight and narrow. I wish that were true. Journalists have only one job, to make money for their media companies. If they don't have real news to report, they will stretch the trivial into something bigger than it is or even make it up entirely! The only check on a media enterprise is the threat of a lawsuit. As long as they can avoid it, anything goes. So if they think dissing a party like Reform or a politician like Harper will sell papers, then that's what they will do. In fact, they might risk a law suit anyway if they would sell enough papers to still leave them a profit! They are capitalist whores the same as any other business, CC. They are NOT the official and noble protectors of the taxpayer! Next you'll be telling us there really is a Santa who keeps a list! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Sleipnir Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 The Hill Times reporters are one of the many who are complaining that when the PM goes overseas, that they can only ask two questions among all of them and that it does cost them money to go with the PM just to have two questions asked. The last time the PM had a press conference was June 2009, why? Harper seem the most unfriendly PM towards the media. What would happen if the media boycoot writing anything about the Tories or the PM for a month??http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2012/10/29/hill-reporters-complain-about-pm%E2%80%99s-lack-of-access-on-trips/32606 If you anger the media too much they'll find a way to let you know if their displeasure - hence negativity. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Bryan Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Astounding for someone who doesn't believe in openness and accountability! WWWTT Cow-towing to the gossip mongers has nothing to do with either. Thankfully we have a government that is above that. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It would be great if we had a neutral media but we don't. The majority of media supports the left. The right wing has Sun news and the Sun paper, that's it. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Sleipnir Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It would be great if we had a neutral media but we don't. Which media on Earth is considered 'neutral' anyway? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
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