Topaz Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Posted November 5, 2012 I've never heard any of the Canadian media tell unthruths and IF they did it was corrected the next day. The only untruths I hear is in the House during Question Period and one has only to guess who tells the most. Harper problem is his personality, at least , the one he shows us Canadians. When comes to accomplishments, they are only the negative ones that hurt Canadians, that stand out. What has he done? When you think of Harper what comes to mind, first? Quote
cybercoma Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 I wonder how the Harper Defence Squad would feel about an NDP Prime Minister dodging the media like Stephen does. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 I wonder how the Harper Defence Squad would feel about an NDP Prime Minister dodging the media like Stephen does. I wonder how the public would feel about the NDP having state run media instead of the media we have now. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 I wonder what it would be like for your posts to actually be based on reality, rather than your batshit crazy fantasies. Quote
Charles Anthony Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 Everybody, Stop the personal attacks and the rude language. Anybody who posts a hint of an innuendo of an indirect personal attacks runs the risk of having posting privileges suspended. Ch. A. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
PIK Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 Bruce carlson, I think he is the guy in trouble right now, well everytime it seems and just last week, when he is in the news , the headlines say former harper advisor, and how long ago was that. lol Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
bleeding heart Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Bruce carlson, I think he is the guy in trouble right now, well everytime it seems and just last week, when he is in the news , the headlines say former harper advisor, and how long ago was that. lol That's not some plot to undemine PM Harper; it's to provide context about somebody by referring to their most prominent position. If it were Buzz Hargrove, you don't think they'd mention a little thing like the Auto Union? Of course they would. I think some of y'all have got a victim complex about the Prime Minister, or maybe about conservatives generally. Edited November 5, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) double Edited November 5, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
PIK Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 And in todays paper harper is feeding the trained media seals on his plane. And as I look up, I see it is snowing outside. I should be hunting deer. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 I wonder how the Harper Defence Squad would feel about an NDP Prime Minister dodging the media like Stephen does. You clearly don't remember how Trudeau and Chretien dodged the media. Hell, Trudeau ran his last campaign dodging the media! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 You clearly don't remember how Trudeau and Chretien dodged the media. Hell, Trudeau ran his last campaign dodging the media! So that means it's ok for Harper to do it because Trudeau did it 30+ years ago? Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 So that means it's ok for Harper to do it because Trudeau did it 30+ years ago? Why are you so interested in PM Harper making himself available to the media? He will never get a fair chance from them. If the media wants to get more access to the PM then they need to make an effort to be more balanced and fair in the way they portray him. What if President Obama decided that he will ignore Fox News for his second term? Would you say its fair seeing that no matter what he does fox and co. twist his words and actions to fit their agenda. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
cybercoma Posted November 5, 2012 Report Posted November 5, 2012 I'm interested in Harper being available to the media because I don't want a government that talks down to Canadians with propagandized statements. I don't give a fig who the PM is. And it's not a particular news service that's complaining about access to Harper, it's journalists from everywhere. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 Ok, but tell me this, do you think that the media as a whole has been fair to Mr. Harper? And I am asking to look at it is without considering wether you like or dislike him. Ask yourself if you were the leader of a party and PM of Canada would you make yourself available to any news media that is essentially out to get you or would you hang back ignore all those that are out to get you and allow the results to speak for themselves. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Wilber Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) It's conveniently forgotten that it was the media's coverage of Sponsorgate that effectively nailed the coffin shut on the Liberals. Didn't hear moaning from Harper or any other Conservatives then. It's the media's job to ask hard questions and any government should be able to answer them. Edited November 6, 2012 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Signals.Cpl Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 I am not saying that they should avoid the hard questions, I am saying that for media sources to go out of their way to fabricate controversy without providing context means that the government has no obligation to them and if the media as a whole would want more access to the PM then they should be more fair to the PM. The Conservatives and the PM have enough controversies and problems so investigating those is one thing, but we are talking about creating problems or spreading misinformation in order to further their agenda. We need to restructuring the CBC so that its a reliable unbiased source of information and it as an organization should be held at a much higher standard as it receives tax payer dollars. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
eyeball Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) This idea that Harper is either afraid or cannot afford or risk to speak to Canadians because the media will misreport him is an utterly bogus one. Again I say, in light of the fact that there is nothing stopping him from bypassing the media and simply showing us first hand what he's doing and saying. If there was ever an opportunity for someone that was inclined to virtually kill the vast left-wing dominated media in a single stroke it is right now. Why on Earth especially in this day and age is Harper not jumping on this opportunity? The technology and system to do this could be set up and running within days if not hours. Edited November 6, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shakeyhands Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 I am not saying that they should avoid the hard questions, I am saying that for media sources to go out of their way to fabricate controversy without providing context means that the government has no obligation to them and if the media as a whole would want more access to the PM then they should be more fair to the PM. The Conservatives and the PM have enough controversies and problems so investigating those is one thing, but we are talking about creating problems or spreading misinformation in order to further their agenda. We need to restructuring the CBC so that its a reliable unbiased source of information and it as an organization should be held at a much higher standard as it receives tax payer dollars. So much bollocks in one post! Could you possibly provide a cite or two? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Signals.Cpl Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 So much bollocks in one post! Could you possibly provide a cite or two? 1.Challenger Jets- There was no context to why they were used it was thrown out that they were used and it cost x number of dollars without ever explaining that the majority of the cost is there wether they are used or not. 2.F-35's- Seems to me that majority of the media is jumping on the F-35's because the government "lied" about the total cost while ignoring the fact that the same method was not applied to other recent purchases. 3.The whole bullshit of complaining about the Federal Government paying out the severance pay that was started well before their time ignoring the fact that they also cancelled it and thereby saved billions of dollars in the future. 4."Harpers war in Afghanistan"... how many times have I opened a paper and had to read some bullshit about how Harper is responsible for getting us involved in Afghanistan. No matter who is at fault it will always be turned around to being Harper's fault one way or another. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jacee Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 On topic ... We PAY Harper to work FOR us, and to report what he's doing to us. Imo Quote
eyeball Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 4."Harpers war in Afghanistan"... how many times have I opened a paper and had to read some bullshit about how Harper is responsible for getting us involved in Afghanistan. I don't know, but you should be able to cite dozens just off the top of your head if it's as bad as you say. And again I ask...why does he keep putting up with the bullshit when he could quite literally put an end to it tomorrow? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shakeyhands Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 1.Challenger Jets- There was no context to why they were used it was thrown out that they were used and it cost x number of dollars without ever explaining that the majority of the cost is there wether they are used or not. 2.F-35's- Seems to me that majority of the media is jumping on the F-35's because the government "lied" about the total cost while ignoring the fact that the same method was not applied to other recent purchases. 3.The whole bullshit of complaining about the Federal Government paying out the severance pay that was started well before their time ignoring the fact that they also cancelled it and thereby saved billions of dollars in the future. 4."Harpers war in Afghanistan"... how many times have I opened a paper and had to read some bullshit about how Harper is responsible for getting us involved in Afghanistan. No matter who is at fault it will always be turned around to being Harper's fault one way or another. Cites normally include a link to an article that supports your point. Try again perhaps? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Wilber Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 The government is not a private citizen or company, the same standards of privacy do not apply. The government is answerable to the people and the media is a primary method of getting those questions answered. Not clarifying it's position by openly answering questions and defending its position is just inviting speculation and innuendo. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 The standards the government applies to itself and our knowledge of it's activities are related to secrecy not privacy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 The standards the government applies to itself and our knowledge of it's activities are related to secrecy not privacy. I quite agree. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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