You may hate Rob Ford . . .

[jbg]

I agree; NYC is an amazing place, but surely it has air pollution, too - and I've never encountered the kind of pollution that you said you found in Toronto, and I've been there many, many times. I love NYC and I love Toronto. They are both amazing cities.

New York City's air pollution used to be intolerable. At the end of November 1965 there was a terrible smog outbreak that I well remember. The environmental laws, combined unfortunately with a lot of factory closures, ameliorated the smog situation. We now usually have satisfactory to healthy air quality. Maybe things are better in Toronto now but in June 1997 the odors were nauseating.

Half the smog we encounter comes from the southwest of Ontario. We certainly add to it but geography is a considerable part of the problem.

Where in Southwest Ontario?

I always heard a lot of Southern Ontario's Air Pollution comes from the Ohio Valley.

That's my understanding as well. A lot of upstate New York used to get its acid rain from the Ohio Valley. I don't know if that's still true given the de-industrialization of the Rust Belt.

[Guest American Woman]

New York City's air pollution used to be intolerable. At the end of November 1965 there was a terrible smog outbreak that I well remember. The environmental laws, combined unfortunately with a lot of factory closures, ameliorated the smog situation. We now usually have satisfactory to healthy air quality. Maybe things are better in Toronto now but in June 1997 the odors were nauseating.

It's a wonderful city. Perhaps you should travel there again some day.

[guyser]

It's a wonderful city. Perhaps you should travel there again some day.

I nominate you for this.....

http://ca.indeed.com/Tourism-jobs-in-Toronto,-ON

You do a better job than anyone else !

[waldo]

That's my understanding as well. A lot of upstate New York used to get its acid rain from the Ohio Valley. I don't know if that's still true given the de-industrialization of the Rust Belt.

so... when you earlier complained about the 1997 Toronto pollution/smell, using it as a reference for your more current day opinion that, as you stated, "Toronto sucks"... you forgot to properly attribute the/a sucking source to the Ohio Valley - yes?

[Guest American Woman]

I nominate you for this.....

You do a better job than anyone else !

I accept.

I love Toronto, and as I said, so does everyone I know who's been there - which includes just about everyone in my family and many of my daughters' friends. What's not to love?

[Boges]

so... when you earlier complained about the 1997 Toronto pollution/smell, using it as a reference for your more current day opinion that, as you stated, "Toronto sucks"... you forgot to properly attribute the/a sucking source to the Ohio Valley - yes?

I must say parts of Downtown Toronto, quite frankly, smell like poo. Literally. Nice city though.

[jacee]

I must say parts of Downtown Toronto, quite frankly, smell like poo. Literally. Nice city though.

Dog poo. Why so many people in the city have large dogs, I have no idea.

And ... summer Sunday brunch on a patio near Yonge St smells like garbage. There is no pickup after busy Sat nights.

[Boges]

Dog poo. Why so many people in the city have large dogs, I have no idea.

And ... summer Sunday brunch on a patio near Yonge St smells like garbage. There is no pickup after busy Sat nights.

No everywhere has dog poo problems. I'm talking sewage. Just an observation from when I walk up and down the Front/Yonge area.

[guyser]

No everywhere has dog poo problems. I'm talking sewage. Just an observation from when I walk up and down the Front/Yonge area.

Get up off the washroom floor ya drunk.

Geez.,..

[guyser]

I accept.

Apply, you can keep your citizenship too !

I love Toronto, and as I said, so does everyone I know who's been there - which includes just about everyone in my family and many of my daughters' friends. What's not to love?

Overall n ot much, but yea, some things arent loveable.

Traffic

Commuting

Homeless

Mayor

Mayors Brother

grey and damp winters feeling colder than a minus 20C prarie day....and its only -1c !

[jbg]

so... when you earlier complained about the 1997 Toronto pollution/smell, using it as a reference for your more current day opinion that, as you stated, "Toronto sucks"... you forgot to properly attribute the/a sucking source to the Ohio Valley - yes?

In part, quite true. But auto exhaust and other decidedly local ingredients were mixed in the cocktail.

[Boges]

It's beyond hilarious that Clayton Ruby thinks it's classless for Ford to go after the guy that tried to get him out of office for his
legal costs. Especially since, when it was thought that the plantiff's won, Ruby presented Ford with an even larger bill!

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/23/clayton_ruby_takes_shot_at_rob_ford_legal_team_over_cost_demands.html

I hope Ford takes Madger for every cent he's asking for.

Edited February 25, 2013 by Boges

[Peanutbutter]

Absolutely Boges. It's normal for the losing party of a lawsuit to have to pay for the others expenses, it happen s regularly so this is nothing new. Ruby and Madger tried to seek vengeance on Mayor Ford, who had to pay for his own defense out of his own pocket, and they lost so it's time for them to pony up the dough. Mayor Ford is well within this rights to pursue legal costs and I'm sure he'll be awarded at least a portion of them.

[Boges]

Perhaps Madger can't pay the legal fees. Why else would they want to go All-In and appeal to the Supreme Court?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/clayton-ruby-to-appeal-rob-ford-conflict-of-interest-decision/article9808543/

The lawyer who led the charge against Toronto Mayor Rob Ford in the conflict-of-interest case that nearly ousted him from office will ask the Supreme Court of Canada to hear a last-ditch appeal, arguing that a lower-court ruling hinged on a technicality and the matter is of national importance.

Clayton Ruby will file his leave to appeal to the countrys highest court Friday. Mr. Fords counsel will have 60 days to respond and Mr. Ruby said a decision on whether the Supreme Court will hear the case could take months more.

By the time this case gets to the court (if they agree to hear it, which is a big if) The 2014 campaign will be in full swing. This is an absolute waste of time and money.

[Rue]

I accept.

I love Toronto, and as I said, so does everyone I know who's been there - which includes just about everyone in my family and many of my daughters' friends. What's not to love?

Ah you need a weekend with moi in Montreal. Now I have lived in Toronto for years now, but if you came with me for one summer night in old Montreal, a glass of wine, some witty exchanges, some smoekd meat, a real bagel and lox, a steamie (that's a hot dog not me) and you would see why once women have gone to Montreal, Toronto is a clumsy alternative.

..but I appreciate your loyalty.

p.s. we can bring your family and my wife but to really understand Montreal is to sit and have some Montrealais make goo goo eyes at you while savouring a street musician play a violin and la caleche trot by..until you have been to Montreal, you do not understand what makes a city have pinache. same comments about Quebec City.

New York? Bah without Brooklyn it would be nothing. You want real American cities, try New Oreleans, Miami, Boston, Provincetown, San Diego, Seattle or Portland or the no.1, Burlington, Vermont.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Rue

[Guest American Woman]

Ah you need a weekend with moi in Montreal. Now I have lived in Toronto for years now, but if you came with me for one summer night in old Montreal, a glass of wine, some witty exchanges, some smoekd meat, a real bagel and lox, a steamie (that's a hot dog not me) and you would see why once women have gone to Montreal, Toronto is a clumsy alternative.

..but I appreciate your loyalty.

I've been to Montreal - love it! I don't think you can compare Toronto and Montreal, though, any more than you can compare NYC and New Orleans. It would be like comparing apples and oranges. I love the musical theatre and comedy clubs and vibrancy of cities like NYC and Toronto - but of course Montreal has a charm going for it that those cities lack. It's impossible not to be taken in by it.

p.s. we can bring your family and my wife but to really understand Montreal is to sit and have some Montrealais make goo goo eyes at you while savouring a street musician play a violin and la caleche trot by..until you have been to Montreal, you do not understand what makes a city have pinache. same comments about Quebec City.

New York? Bah without Brooklyn it would be nothing. You want real American cities, try New Oreleans, Miami, Boston, Provincetown, San Diego, Seattle or Portland or the no.1, Burlington, Vermont.

Even though I've been to Montreal, I've never had a Montrealais sit and make goo goo eyes at me, to that would be a new experience. As I said, though, I love NYC - as well as New Orleans, Miami (and the Keys), Provincetown, San Diego - and I have to add San Francisco to the cities you are referencing, as I feel it belongs there. I love Boston, too, but see it as more comparable to NYC than the others. I've never been to Seattle or Portland, but hear that they are beautiful, and I haven't been to Burlington, Vermont, either. Perhaps some day. I just got back from my first visit to Nashville a couple of weeks ago, and that's a pretty cool city, too; very pretty and has it's own scene/appeal/flavor. Edited April 2, 2013 by American Woman

[GostHacked]

The one major thing I do not like about Montreal, the driving.

Who in their right mind puts an offramp on the LEFT as well as the right.

[Rue]

The one major thing I do not like about Montreal, the driving.

Who in their right mind puts an offramp on the LEFT as well as the right.

Let's just saysome people go both ways in Montreal.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Rue

[jbg]

The one major thing I do not like about Montreal, the driving.

Who in their right mind puts an offramp on the LEFT as well as the right.

New York City has more than its share of left exits. The Southbound Henry Hudson Parkway exit to the George Washington Bridge, a key exit if there is one, and the 63rd Street exit from the northbound FDR Drive, among others.

[CliffStir]

But if you really want fun, direct a Torontonian driver to the Dorval Circle and watch their brains explode.

[Rue]

_{Very true Cliff.}

_{Now in Toronto if you want to switch lanes and you signal the person in the other lane will speed up to block you. In Montreal they let you in but because Montrealers are muh more quick in switching lanes and not reacting after the fact to someone else, its no big deal.}

_{In Toronto the vast majority of drivers have no idea how to drive in snow like in Montreal and they are used to more lanes.}

_{Torontonians whine about the 401 and Gardner. Imagine if they had to drive on Decarie every day let alone get off at Cote de Liesse.}

_{I do not understand in Montreal why you can't turn right on a red light. That makes no sense to me.}

_{I usually have ot snap out of my Toronto mentality when I am back driving in Montreal. However I am and will always be a Montrealer no matter how many years I have been a refugee in Toronto.}

_{I am tempted to drive back once a day and head straight to Quebec City and shave Pauline Marois' head. What a fat head.}

[guyser]

In TO , 2.03 Million immigrants live there. Montreal, 629,000 I wonder if that could be part of the reason people dont know how to drive in snow.

3.6M people moving around on any given day vs 6.04M .

I wonder if Decarie is the busiesthighway in North America? 401 peeps have a reason to whine

Montreal, fabulous city, and one thing they sure knew to do.....was build wide streets cuz there be a lot of snow coming. TO....not very bright in that regard.

[PIK]

I only have to switch lanes if there is a cow or a deer on the road.

[jbg]

Montreal, fabulous city, and one thing they sure knew to do.....was build wide streets cuz there be a lot of snow coming. TO....not very bright in that regard.

Toronto does not get a lot of snow, except in January 1999. Global cooling may change that.

[Shakeyhands]

Toronto does not get a lot of snow, except in January 1999.

This is a true statement.... but do you now why???