You may hate Rob Ford . . .

[TheNewTeddy]

Why? What business is it of yours?

I have to put up with seeing it, it's disgusting.

[Black Dog]

I have to put up with seeing it, it's disgusting.

Any other fashion "don'ts" you want to share?

[jacee]

Lastman did it from '72 to '03

And he did ten times better than Ford or Miller. Frankly those two remind me of the two jokers from a deck of cards.

Mayor Rob Ford is putting his job on the line defending the principle that a politician should be free to listen to a lobbyist’s pitch, and then pitch the lobbyist on donating to a private charity.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1249422--mayor-rob-ford-s-conflict-of-interest-case-rooted-in-donations-he-solicited-from-lobbyists

Media's awfully quiet today ... it's court day for Ford I think.

Eta. Oh ... next Wed.

Edited August 31, 2012 by jacee

[jacee]

Mayor Rob Ford met the 500-pound butter sculpture created in his image and the artist behind it on Thursday at the Canadian National Exhibition.

He stopped by shortly after 7 p.m. at the farm section of the Better Living Centre,where several butter sculptures are housed,in a rare public appearance with his wife,his young son and daughter.

The sculpture depicts Mr. Ford reading a Margaret Atwood novel behind the wheel of a car,steering with his elbow. The mayor has feuded with Ms. Atwood over cuts to libraries, and came under fire earlier this month after he was photographed reading paperwork behind the wheel on the Gardiner Expressway.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/i-cant-believe-its-not-rob-ford-mayor-meets-his-buttery-likeness/article4511182/?service=mobile

[guyser]

Any other fashion "don'ts" you want to share?

No white belts or shoes after this weekend.

[Boges]

Here's an interesting column about Krista Ford's comments.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/31/barbara-kay-twitter-critics-get-it-wrong-on-krista-ford/

We all know what they were saying, and we all know they have a valid point. It is political correctness that fuelled the reflexive righteous anger. For of course it is a woman’s right to dress like a whore, just as it is a woman’s right to dress like a poor person. But the difference is that dressing like a poor person does not look like an invitation to a sexual advance, and dressing like a whore does.

Mark my words, please. I did not say dressing like a whore is an invitation to sexual assault, nor – contrary to comedian Alice Moran’s accusation against Ms Ford – does a call for fashion prudence suggest that anyone who has been sexually assaulted is in fact a whore. Obviously many modestly dressed women are sexually assaulted anyway. But I agree with Ms Ford that dressing like a whore – that is, dressing like the kind of woman whose professional sartorial fashion sense is premised on the need to maximize male lust – is to send a message that extremely high sexual interest from males is not only welcome, but very welcome.

[bleeding heart]

Here's an interesting column about Krista Ford's comments.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/31/barbara-kay-twitter-critics-get-it-wrong-on-krista-ford/

We were just laughing about this knuckledragging idiot and her "sluts kinda/sorta deserve it but not really" column in another forum!

Small world.

[jacee]

We were just laughing about this knuckledragging idiot and her "sluts kinda/sorta deserve it but not really" column in another forum!

Small world.

I wonder what such knuckle dragging women wear to evade attention. A burka?

I guess slut-shamers like Barbara Kay don't go to the beach.

But I agree with Ms Ford that dressing like a whore –that is, dressing like the kind of woman whose professional sartorial fashion sense is premised on the need to maximize male lust –is to send a message that extr emely high sexual interest from males is not only welcome,but very welcome.

This is basically calling all men potential

rapists who can't control their 'lust'. Such BS.

The sex worker in my neighborhood wears a long plaid skirt and cardigan.

Edited August 31, 2012 by jacee

[bleeding heart]

I wonder what such knuckle dragging women wear to evade attention. A burka?

I guess slut-shamers like Barbara Kay don't go to the beach.

Hell, no. Cleavage? Lots of leg?

Dangerous behaviour.

This is basically calling all men potential

rapists who can't control their 'lust'. Such BS.

Yes, that's the other side of it.

As Pakistani Tariq Ali said, "The religious and cultural oppression of women in my country is, at a fundamental and philosophical level, also extremely disrespectful of men."

The sex worker in my neighborhood wears a long plaid skirt and cardigan.

Which maybe raises yet another question: "Whores"? Really?

[Topaz]

How do you know that Ford is suffering from stress due to the job? Who knows? Maybe the job is good for Ford's health.

Well, having watched "biggest Loser" they have reported that stress WILL make your body stored FAT! Ford is too over weight NOT to have diabetes, high blood pressure etc. You think being mayor of Toronto isn't stressful?

[Rue]

We were just laughing about this knuckledragging idiot and her "sluts kinda/sorta deserve it but not really" column in another forum!

Small world.

Lots of giggles. Tee hee. What a stupid girl. Tee hee. Tee hee hee. Tee hee hee hee hee.

In between the giggles, giggle boy get this-I am glad you and this giggle fest forum are so superior and righteous when someone else says something you disagree with. tee hee giggle giggle.

Ms. Ford may have been indelicate with the point she was making but you...well of course..you are perfect you never said anything that could be misconstrued the wrong way-not you-you are perfect-you are superior. You can't possibly have ever said anything stupid in your life.

Tee hee hee.

I have lost track at the amount of giggles from geniuses like you on this forum. You are no different then what you criticize.

tee hee hee.

[Rue]

Oh look the usual self righteous geniuses come to feed frenzy on Ms. Ford because

you are all so superior in intellect.

Tee hee hee giggle giggle. Stupid red neck. Stupid red neck Ford. Tee hee.

How is this for political inappropriateness- Black Dog and Bleeding Heart kiss my buttox naked as a baby with your righteous

giggling. You two are the classic examples of the extremist fundamentalist elitist superiority complex intolerant red necks I have ever seen on any forum. The bathing in "I am righteous liberal" perfume does not mask your extremist stink.

Ford did not state women bring rape on themselves by what they where.

F

ord did not embrace Muslim fundamentalist clothing views.

Those views were arrived at and projected on her by the Black Dogs and Bleeding Hearts of the

world who like to label people and stereotype them with rigid, inflexible, negative stereotypes

the very think they think they do not do and think they are above and can giggle at tee hee hee.

Giggle giggle she is the niece of Rob Ford. Tee hee hee.

Stuff your giggling and righteous snitty bitch fest down your smug throats.

The only point she made and yes she probably could have stated in more diplomatic terms had super genisues Black Dog and was that women should be careful as ti their appearance when in certain situations because whether they like it or not, whether its fair or not, the way they can dress at the wrong place and wrong time could be misunderstood.

She didn't say anything any parent hasn't already had to say to their daughters. It is a fact of life.

But of course Black dog being an expert on human behaviour and women's fashions and his wardrobe consultant

and partner Bleeding Heart well they know. They are with the in crowd of tee hee gigglers. They are in the know. They only come to this forum to slum it and laugh at the imbeciles. Tee hee,.

They go to a special giggle forum to giggle at people who think women shoudl be street smart and to say so or suggest so is so tee hee hee

rong.

You want to prance and mince around her words do you giggle boys? tee hee?

The sad reality is women have to be careful and street smart in what they wear. No one said it was fair. But it is

life. It is a cold hard reality. All of us whether we like it or not are judged by the way we look and dress.

Of course in the world of Bleeding Heart and Black dog no one judges appearance.. they only judge people by their "silly tee hee hee giggle comments" nothing else. Tee hee.

You want to giggle over wardrobe Black Dog. Tell us fashion expert on women's clothing. Go on lecture us on how youd on't judge men by what they wear.

Oh no not Black dog. He never ever looks at cheeky tight pants. Never. Never. Never. tee hee hee hee hee.

I wish Ms. Ford had five minutes alone with the crown princes of righteousness Bleeding Heart and Black Dog.

Edited September 1, 2012 by Rue

[bleeding heart]

In between the giggles, giggle boy get this-I am glad you and this giggle fest forum are so superior and righteous when someone else says something you disagree with. tee hee giggle giggle.

Sure, it's not as if you are currently--in your very post here--indulging in exactly the same exercise, towards me.

Good job.

After all, why hold yourself to the same standards you expect of others?

Ms. Ford may have been indelicate with the point she was making but you...well of course..you are perfect you never said anything that could be misconstrued the wrong way-.

What makes you think she was "misconstrued"? What point was she really trying to make, but in which basic English failed her?

More to the point--since I was talking about Barbara Kay, not Ms. Ford--how was Kay misconstrued? And how did her editors miss the shoddy writing which subsequently led to her being misconstrued?

She said exactly what she meant. Nothing has been misconstrued.

not you-you are perfect-you are superior. You can't possibly have ever said anything stupid in your life

But if my stupidity was pronounced loudly in a newspaper article, and my opinion (in the context of rape) is that women shouldn't be dressing like "sluts" and "whores," then hopefully more reasonbale folks would be calling me out on my foolishness.

Meanwhile, rue, you could applaud my fine opinions on the matter, defending me from criticism, and joining the other reactionary mouth-breathers...who, after all, are soooo morally superior to "whores."

Yep: Barbara Kay and Rue: towering pillars of moral decency, unlike the "whores" they so righteously detest.

[bleeding heart]

Oh look the usual self righteous geniuses come to feed frenzy on Ms. Ford because

you are all so superior in intellect.

At least the last part is plainly true.

How is this for political inappropriateness- Black Dog and Bleeding Heart kiss my buttox naked as a baby with your righteous

giggling.

I'm flattered by the offer, but I'm a married man. But good luck to you in your search.

Stuff your giggling and righteous snitty bitch fest down your smug throats.

Shivering through another of your patented little tantrums, I see.

The sad reality is women have to be careful and street smart in what they wear. No one said it was fair. But it is

life. It is a cold hard reality. All of us whether we like it or not are judged by the way we look and dress.

No, little tantrum-thrower, the "sad reality," the "cold hard reality," is that women are not usually grabbed in dark alleys because of the way they're dressed, and then raped at knife-point.

And even the minority who do suffer through exactly this, through such horrific crimes of opportunity, are not attacked because of the way they're dressed.

Virtually all rapes have nothing whatsoever to do with the way women dress. Hell, most rapes are by men that the women already know.

I see you're unaware of basic facts, and of "cold hard reality."

If you're going to insist upon using Ms. Ford and Barbara Kay as your authorities on rape, it's little wonder you're so ignorant of the subject.

I wish Ms. Ford had five minutes alone with the crown princes of righteousness Bleeding Heart and Black Dog.

No doubt she would wish so too--I'm rather handsome. But again, I'm a married man.

Edited September 1, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Rue]

You are gutless Bleeding Heart. You come on here to sneer at someone thinking you are superior to them and then

you expect me to defend your right to do so. You must be brain dead. I do not come on this board like you posing

as some righteous I know all and everyone else is stupid phucktard "liberal" elitist. I don't feign righteousness.

I say it as I feel and if you find my words giggle tee hee then giggle. See unlike you I do not pretend I am tolerant and in the know and so have this moral superiority that allows me to giggle at who I think are intolerant rednecks. I unlike you am intolerant and make no bones about it. I can't stand your tone, what you stand for and the privileged little elitist sheltered views you hold. Need I spell it out some more for you?

No giggle puss I did not come on this thread to be tolerant. I came on it to challenge you and spit in your face. Patoo. Is that direct enough for you or do you want to suggest I am claiming to be tolerant.

Here one more time giggle puss-I am not the one on this board claiming to be politically appropriate you are.

Unlike you I do not mince words and sneer at people and guffaw. What I do is pick up your obnoxious giggles and throw them back in your elitist snitty little face. You don't like it, giggle.

By the way read. At no time did I discuss what Ms. Kaye said. Do not suggest I did. But hey why let that stop you right? You just label anyone any way you want and suggest they think and say things they did not. You are good at that aren't you.

You want to smeer someone with snit faced innuendoes I will be hear to throw your sheeyit back in your righteous face.

Tee hee. Giggle. Rob Ford is pink and fat and a bafoon. Giggle. So is his niece. Giggle. They are so funny.

Go on giggle away giggle puss. Tee hee.

what's the matter not used to someone calling you out? You can giggle out the insults but when someone throws them back you what wet your pants? Think this is a tantrum Bleeding. I haven't even started. You snit, I spit back your snot.

Edited September 2, 2012 by Rue

[TheNewTeddy]

With all fairness, I know very little about Rob Ford or Krista Ford, and even less about use Bleeding Heart, but from what I know, he IS superior to both of them combined.

[bleeding heart]

With all fairness, I know very little about Rob Ford or Krista Ford, and even less about use Bleeding Heart, but from what I know, he IS superior to both of them combined.

Right back at you, brother.

[bleeding heart]

You are gutless Bleeding Heart. You come on here to sneer at someone thinking you are superior to them and then

you expect me to defend your right to do so.

I was pointing out the regressive attitude of one Ms. Kay, frothing right-wing journalist extraordinaire.

You say it wasn't about her; and yet my post, to which you responded, was about her. So, think on that a little, if you're able.

Her view on rape is that of provocatively-dressed women turning men on and then getting attacked.

I only pointed out the truth--that this is a fallacious view of rape.

Since it's an incontestable truth, I can't imagine why you would disagree.

You must be brain dead. I do not come on this board like you posing

as some righteous I know all and everyone else is stupid phucktard "liberal" elitist. I don't feign righteousness.

Sure you do. This entire post of yours (and some of your others) reek of sanctimony and self-righteousness.

A pretty unfortunate fact, given your attempted argument here.

The rest is just your ranting about spitting in my face and other delights, so there's no need for further comment.

Edited September 2, 2012 by bleeding heart

[jacee]

Oh look the usual self righteous geniuses come to feed frenzy on Ms. Ford because

you are all so superior in intellect.

Tee hee hee giggle giggle. Stupid red neck. Stupid red neck Ford. Tee hee.

How is this for political inappropriateness- Black Dog and Bleeding Heart kiss my buttox naked as a baby with your righteous

giggling. You two are the classic examples of the extremist fundamentalist elitist superiority complex intolerant red necks I have ever seen on any forum. The bathing in "I am righteous liberal" perfume does not mask your extremist stink.

Ford did not state women bring rape on themselves by what they where.

F

ord did not embrace Muslim fundamentalist clothing views.

Those views were arrived at and projected on her by the Black Dogs and Bleeding Hearts of the

world who like to label people and stereotype them with rigid, inflexible, negative stereotypes

the very think they think they do not do and think they are above and can giggle at tee hee hee.

Giggle giggle she is the niece of Rob Ford. Tee hee hee.

Stuff your giggling and righteous snitty bitch fest down your smug throats.

The only point she made and yes she probably could have stated in more diplomatic terms had super genisues Black Dog and was that women should be careful as ti their appearance when in certain situations because whether they like it or not, whether its fair or not, the way they can dress at the wrong place and wrong time could be misunderstood.

Only by a rapist. Normal men know they can't touch without consent.

She didn't say anything any parent hasn't already had to say to their daughters. It is a fact of life.

But of course Black dog being an expert on human behaviour and women's fashions and his wardrobe consultant

and partner Bleeding Heart well they know. They are with the in crowd of tee hee gigglers. They are in the know. They only come to this forum to slum it and laugh at the imbeciles. Tee hee,.

They go to a special giggle forum to giggle at people who think women shoudl be street smart and to say so or suggest so is so tee hee hee

rong.

You want to prance and mince around her words do you giggle boys? tee hee?

The sad reality is women have to be careful and street smart in what they wear. No one said it was fair. But it is

life. It is a cold hard reality. All of us whether we like it or not are judged by the way we look and dress.

Look all you want.

Judge all you want. But only creeps touch without consent.

Of course in the world of Bleeding Heart and Black dog no one judges appearance.. they only judge people by their "silly tee hee hee giggle comments" nothing else. Tee hee.

You want to giggle over wardrobe Black Dog. Tell us fashion expert on women's clothing. Go on lecture us on how youd on't judge men by what they wear.

Oh no not Black dog. He never ever looks at cheeky tight pants. Never. Never. Never. tee hee hee hee hee.

I wish Ms. Ford had five minutes alone with the crown princes of righteousness Bleeding Heart and Black Dog.

The clothing excuse for rape is ridiculous and disgusting. Men don't turn into rapists because they're horny. A rapist is a violent criminal Sicko.

And your incoherent rants and personal attacks haven't changed that.

Ms. Ford had the sense to retract and apologize.

Edited September 3, 2012 by jacee

[Guest American Woman]

Only by a rapist. Normal men know they can't touch without consent.

Date rape is often committed by "normal men."

Look all you want.

Judge all you want. But only creeps touch without consent.

Alcohol, drugs, these things sometimes play into it. It's not always "just creeps;" sometimes it's clouded judgment. Rape isn't just a violent act committed in a dark alley, and perhaps that's what Ms. Ford had in mind.

The clothing excuse for rape is ridiculous and disgusting. Men don't turn into rapists because they're horny. A rapist is a violent criminal Sicko.

As I said, there are different circumstances surrounding rape, but I'd be interested in the quote from Ms. Ford where she says clothing is an excuse for rape, or clothing is the cause of rape, or women who dress like whores are asking for it, or to blame, or whatever the accusations seem to be about her comments.

My comments are directed at everyone here making such claims; I'm not singling you out, but quoting you as your post is the most recent.

Ms. Ford had the sense to retract and apologize.

The way I read it, she wasn't so much "retracting" as clarifying what she meant.

From what I've read, at least 70-80% of the women who have been raped know their assailants, even though people tend to think of rape as a violent act, in a dark alley, by a stranger.

Perhaps it's not PC to tell young women (they make up the largest percentage of victims) that how they dress might be endangering themselves, but it seems to me that Ms. Ford was more concerned about protecting young women from being a potential victim than she was about being PC.

I think many parents give their kids the same advice - not to dress too provocatively. Why is that?

Edited September 3, 2012 by American Woman

[TheNewTeddy]

A series of decisions need to be made to decide to show off your entire body to the world with the intention of making them horny (IE, dressing like a slut)

These are bad decisions, and show a lack of quality decision making and proper judgement.

I think people associate it with bad things happening to you (like rape) as if you lack proper judgement, you may be more likely to put yourself in a situation where you are not safe.

[cybercoma]

Date rape is often committed by "normal men."

Alcohol, drugs, these things sometimes play into it. It's not always "just creeps;" sometimes it's clouded judgment. Rape isn't just a violent act committed in a dark alley, and perhaps that's what Ms. Ford had in mind.

I'm glad you mentioned these things because people often forget that.

From what I've read, at least 70-80% of the women who have been raped know their assailants, even though people tend to think of rape as a violent act, in a dark alley, by a stranger.

It may even be higher than that, but this is true as well.

Perhaps it's not PC to tell young women (they make up the largest percentage of victims) that how they dress might be endangering themselves, but it seems to me that Ms. Ford was more concerned about protecting young women from being a potential victim than she was about being PC.

Granted, you haven't taken this position yourself--you seem to be just explaining what Ford was saying--but I can't help but feel that your acceptance of her words is implied.

Let's make something perfectly clear here: rape is never the fault of the victim.

You say Ms. Ford is concerned with protecting young women from being a potential victim, but everyone is a potential victim for rape. "Modest" dress, whatever the hell that even means, does not somehow make a woman immune to potentially being raped, otherwise women covered head-to-toe in Islamic countries would never or very rarely be raped and women in Canada wouldn't be raped in the winter when they're fully covered from the elements. Moreover, children would never be raped, since they don't generally dress provocatively. Rape has absolutely nothing to do with the way a person dresses. This victim blaming crap needs to stop.

Edited September 3, 2012 by cybercoma

[Guest American Woman]

This victim blaming crap needs to stop.

No one is blaming the victim - and sometimes the 'claiming that people are blaming the victim crap' has to stop. As I said, I would be more concerned with helping prevent a rape, and that most definitely includes date rape (if not almost exclusively), than I would about being PC. If someone interprets that as "blaming the victim," the problem lies with them, and they could be doing some harm because they may make people afraid to step up with some sound advice.

Yes, sometimes rape occurs even when the woman is covered from head to toe, and in such instances, obviously provocative clothing had nothing to do with it; but rapes occur under different circumstances, and a scantily clad young girl may be more likely to make an intoxicated date lose his head and control - as date rape generally does occur because the guy is horny.

As I said, many parents don't let their young teen girls dress too provocatively. I'll ask again. Why do you think that is?

[TheNewTeddy]

I've been witness to the aftermath (bloody nose, yelling) of an attempted date rape in a college dorm. The targeted girl was the only one in the room wearing pants VS a miniskirt. If you want to rape someone, pants won't stop you. Luckily the 6 or so other girls in the room fought the guy off, the targeted girl was flopped on a bed and was fine the next morning.

I stand by my statement that girls sometimes make bad decisions that get themselves into trouble, and those who do are more likely to make bad decisions in other areas of their lives.

[jacee]

No one is blaming the victim - and sometimes the 'claiming that people are blaming the victim crap' has to stop. As I said, I would be more concerned with helping prevent a rape, and that most definitely includes date rape (if not almost exclusively), than I would about being PC. If someone interprets that as "blaming the victim," the problem lies with them, and they could be doing some harm because they may make people afraid to step up with some sound advice.

... a scantily clad young girl may be more likely to make an intoxicated date lose his head and control ...

A scantily clad young girl doesn't MAKE him do anything.

A rapist MAKES his own choices.

You ARE blaming victims.