You may hate Rob Ford . . .

[Guest American Woman]

No thanks. I hear he's handing out donation forms on city letterhead and you can't leave till you pay up. Of course there's a lucrative city contract in it for you, but paying bribes just isn't my thing.

I don't think you have to worry. I can't imagine Ford choosing to keep you around.

Seriously, though - I have to wonder if this turns into a big political shout-out or if people just go and have themselves some good ol' BBQ'd food. I can't imagine, given the strong feelings people have about him, that it wouldn't turn political/ugly? - especially in light of this going on right now.

[guyser]

You again missed the point. Here let me paraphrase you with your own words:

Let me guess, you'll attempt to ride this horse and try...try..try to make some sort of point? Have I got it rig....

Oh wait, looky here

USING THE CRITERIA CLAYTON RUBY IS NOW USING AND WAS NOT USED ON KYLE RAE,

HE WOULD NOW ALSO BE LIABLE FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

I put it in bold letters. Maybe it will be easier to read. You might want to mouth the words

slowly.

Slowly....here is the problem.....Kyle did not vote on the payback scheme. Rob did.

Thats conflict of interest. That is the only thing this is about.

But hey, come on back with more lame excuses.

There is nobody, and I mean nobody, who backs Ford in this, well, except for the brains behind the Mayor, Doug.

Even ardent right wingers and supporters of Ford are saying he was dumb. Im guessing you are in his camp based on your post

[guyser]

Seriously, though - I have to wonder if this turns into a big political shout-out or if people just go and have themselves some good ol' BBQ'd food. I can't imagine, given the strong feelings people have about him, that it wouldn't turn political/ugly? - especially in light of this going on right now.

On the first part, it may well be. Even he has some people who think he is doing ok.

On the second, I sure doubt there'll be anything worth eating. Maybe Crow should be fed to Rob?

I doubt any detractors will get in, and if they did, they'' get the boot fast.

[Rue]

Doggy Doo-for someone who claims I don't stay on point you have know problem bringing Willie Boy Clinton

into this debate.

Now Doggy you keep up with moi because I haven't even begun with you...

You of course made this pronouncement to me:

"I guess that, like Ford, you don't really understand what conflict of interest means.

"

Can you go one sentence without the affected mannerisms? Hmmm? You make yourself out to be

camp. Enough. I hate Madonna. She is passe. You know everytime your roll those eyes I just have this horrible tendency call it a nervous habit to giggle tee hee hee hee.

Listen up Charlie Manson eyes, conflict of interest has always referred to personal benefit. The attempt now to narrow it down

to the narrow scenario Ruby has is a transparent politically motivated exercise.

It was designed to prevent a politician for voting

for a law he had a conflict of interest with or to use his office to make himself financially better off than he was

before the political activity he engaged in began.

See some of us know that Black Dog because our sudden awareness of conflict of interest didn't happen just after Rob Ford got elected but before that.

What some of us also know is that it is the height of bull shit to sit their and rationalize a $12,000 pigfest on taxpayer's money in a riding with so many homeless is acceptable but when Ford uses his stationery to ask people to raise $3,000 for football equipment that clearly benefits kids who can not afford football equipment, you and Guyser and the rest of your Merrymen of course ignore who is benefitted from that $3,000 and using Lord knows what kind of reasoning figure equipping poor kids with sports equipment enriched Ford by $3,000. Right. Such logic. By the way go find out how much time Ford has spent with that charity. More to the point because you again missed it-he made it clear where the money was going-not one penny went to Ford and no one was pressured in paying. If that money had been collected for a charity you liked or by Adam Vaughan, you would not have said a damned word and you know it.

During the time of this offence when Ford committed his own time and money to this charitty as an Alderman he paid out of his pocket for all his office expenses at all times while your beloved

Kyle Rae and your other leftist band of chosen ones never once did the same and you have the nerve to lecture on morality?

What you and Guyser have no moral qualms about Rae stuffing his fat face with a self indulgent displays of petulance and you find nothing inconsistent about that? Ha. That is spelled TEE HEE HEE.

That Black Dog is why the vast majority of people you think you speak for can't stand people like you. They find you are completely removed from reality. You live in snit snotty elite world where anything you do is acceptable but anything a fat Ford does is not.

If he was a leftist like you, you would be as selective and look the other way just as you do Rae. Give your selective righteousness another rest.

Guess what. You want to suddenly pull out the law to remove elected people from office trying to engage in a twisting of the

definition that will allow on the one hand allow politicians to stuff their fat faces but at the same time punish them from helping the poor-well you will alienate the very poor people you think you speak for. Go on champion of the elite snitty snots, use the law to manipulate privilege. What a grassroots under-dog socialist you are.

You see Black Dog you not I embrace this Marie Antoinette life where you can eat cake at the expense of the poor because your fellow leftist snit faces say so. See me, I feel obliged not to you and Rae and your snitty little presumptious alleged leftists, but taxpayers. All I know is, I may not approve of Ford's weight, suits, hair cut or political ideology all the time or his methods of communication but I do know he practices what he preaches. He puts his money and his personal sacrifice where he says he will, for the people.

That is what bothers you-that someone like him so completely removed from your world of elitist leftist privilege can be right wing but so dag nabbed honest. It beguiles you. Lol.

What about you socialist champion? How the hell can you sit there justifying Rae stuffing his fat face in a riding full of homeless people and then suddenly feeling morally outraged by a $3,000 payment to underprivileged football players? What selective world do you live in? Wait don't answer that one. I already know-you live in a world where as a father, I should not tell my daughter to be careful what she wears when she goes out at night. I mean we wouldn't want to sigmatize her now would we boo boo?

Right you are so consistent. I mean after all, at first you felt a tinge of understanding, but oopsy Ford acted shambolic so you changed your royal prerogative.

Hah.

Get help? why do I need help Black doggy Doo? Do I look like I need help. Quick go get Guyser,

Now this comment I do not understand:

"Rabble rabble rabble."

Was that code? Rabble. Is that anything like pendantic or ticky tacky. Should I roll my eyes?

Have a nice weekend American Women.

I just love bbqing wieners.

Gotta watch out though. You burn a wiener its called a black dog.

dang I am funny.

tee hee hee

Edited September 7, 2012 by Rue

[guyser]

"I guess that, like Ford, you don't really understand what conflict of interest means.

You still dont!!

Listen up Charlie Manson eyes, conflict of interest has always referred to personal benefit.

Brainiac alert!!

It still is, and Rob voted to not have money taken from him as ordered.

Case closed.

Except for the blah blah to come.....

The attempt now to narrow it down

Naw, just a lame ass attempt by you and his brother to try and wiggle out of Rob being a moron....oh and paying the cash back that he was ordered.

Stay focused on what the issue is, so far you havent a clue.

ETA: K sweetie?

Edited September 7, 2012 by guyser

[jacee]

You again missed the point. Here let me paraphrase you with your own words:

"Lord these attempts at excuses are lame!"

Now if that is too difficult for you to still understand how about I spell it out again:

USING THE CRITERIA CLAYTON RUBY IS NOW USING AND WAS NOT USED ON KYLE RAE,

HE WOULD NOW ALSO BE LIABLE FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

I put it in bold letters. Maybe it will be easier to read. You might want to mouth the words

slowly.

So sue him and see if you're right, like Paul Magder is doing to Ford.

But two wrongs don't make Ford right.

Edited September 7, 2012 by jacee

[Black Dog]

Doggy Doo-for someone who claims I don't stay on point you have know problem bringing Willie Boy Clinton

into this debate.

I didn't. See the first post:

If you think Ford should be fired over this then I assume you'd have had no problem seeing former US President Bill Clinton lose his job over getting his knob polished by an intern and lying about it.

Both were loopholes that really have no bearing on how said politician does his job.

Can you go one sentence without the affected mannerisms? Hmmm? You make yourself out to be

camp. How abouy you go one sentence without putting your hands on your hips and puffing otherwise

you know everytime your roll those eyes I just have this horrible tendency call it a nervous habit

to giggle tee hee hee hee.

uh....what?

Listen up Charlie Manson eyes, conflict of interest has always referred to personal benefit. The attempt now to narrow it down to the scenario it was being used was never the intent of the law. It was designed to prevent a politician for voting for a law he had a conflict of interest with or to use his office to make himself financially better off than he was before the political activity he engaged in.

Let's be clear: the conflict of interest in question was not Ford using city resources to shill for his pet project. The conflict of interest arises when Ford voted to overturn the integrity commissioner's order that he repay $3,150 in improperly solicited donations out of his own pocket.

What some of us also know is that it is the height of bull shit to sit their and rationalize a $12,000 pigfest on taxpayer's money in a riding with so many homeless but when Ford uses his stationery to ask people to raise $3,000 for football equipment that clearly benefits kids who can not afford football equipment, you of course ignore who is benefitted from that $3,000 and using Lord knows what kind of reasoning figure equipping poor kids with sports equipment enriched Ford by

$3,000, this coming from an Alderman who paid out of his pocket for all his office expenses at all times while your beloved

Kyle Rae never once did so and had no moral qualms stuffing his fat face with a self indulgent display of petulance.

As far as this goes, I don't give a crap about the beneficiaries of Ford's charity since it's irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is Ford voting to save himself three grand and change. As for the Kyle Rae thing: it may have been an improper use of office expenses, but it was by your own definition above, not a conflict of interest. Two completely separate issues.

That Black Dog is why the vast majority of people you think you speak for can't stand people like you. They find you are completely removed from reality. You live in snit snotty elite world where anything you do is acceptable but anything a fat Ford does is not.

I'll take that as a compliment.

If he was a leftist like you, you would be as selective and look the other way just as you do Rae.

If he was a leftist, I would be super embarrassed.

Guess what. You want to suddenly pull out the law to remove elected people from office trying to engage in a twisting of the

definition that will allow politicians to stuff their fat faces but punish them from helping the poor-well you will alienate the very poor people you think you speak for.

The case against ford has been laid out pretty clearly. It has nothing to with punishing him for his charity business.

You see Black Dog you not I embrace this Marie Antoinette life where you can eat cake at the expense of the poor because your fellow snit faces say so. See me, I feel obliged not to you and Rae and your snitty little presumptious alleged leftists, but taxpayers. All I know is, I may not approve of Ford's political ideology all the time or his methods of communication but I do know he practices what he preaches.

Yeah, the champuion of the little guy who drives a brand new Cadillac. The friend of the working man who has never had a real job in his life. The guardian of the taxpayer dollar who pinches every penny but balks when asked to shell out a measly three thousand bucks of daddy's money.

What about you socialist champion. How the hell can you sit there justifying a politician stuffing his fat face in a riding full of homeless people while suddenly feeling morally outraged by a $3,000 payment to underprivileged football players.

If you weren't completely divorced from reality, you'd note I nowhere defended Kyle Rae's expensive par-tay.

Right you are so consistent. I mean after all, at first you felt a tinge of understanding, but oopsy Ford acted shambolic so you changed your royal prerogative.

What ford showed through his testimony was a combination of arrogance and willful ignorance that speak to his character and this to his suitability to lead this city. Not that we needed this to know he is a disaster, but it was the icing on the turd sundae of his mayorality.

Get help? why do I need help Black doggy Doo. Why would I possibly share sending sweet lovey poo messages to you with anyone else. This comes straight from my heart.

Big corpophiliac, are you?

[Guest American Woman]

On the first part, it may well be. Even he has some people who think he is doing ok.

On the second, I sure doubt there'll be anything worth eating. Maybe Crow should be fed to Rob?

I doubt any detractors will get in, and if they did, they'' get the boot fast.

It seems as if he has a lot of supporters and a lot of people who, well, don't support him. In other words, it seems as if those on both sides feel strongly about it. He seems quite controversial, IOW - which is why I was surprised to see that the population of the entire city of Toronto would be invited to a BBQ in his back yard. I can't imagine it not turning into a political shout-out, and I have to wonder how much security he has at his house. I will be interested in reading about how it all turned out.

[Black Dog]

On the first part, it may well be. Even he has some people who think he is doing ok.

On the second, I sure doubt there'll be anything worth eating. Maybe Crow should be fed to Rob?

I doubt any detractors will get in, and if they did, they'' get the boot fast.

I doubt many of his political foes would bother turning up. Who in their right mind would want to spend a Friday night in Etobicoke of all places?

Edited September 7, 2012 by Black Dog

[guyser]

I doubt many of his political foes would bother turning up. Who in their right mind would want to spend a Friday night in Etobicoke of all places?

Careful there BD, born and raised in Etobicoke and now live one street over the TO/Etob line. Dont be hatin'

Ashamed to say, grew up w Ford family nin my neighbourhood. I know all about their perceived smarts.

[guyser]

It seems as if he has a lot of supporters and a lot of people who, well, don't support him.

Even his supporters think that he was a dunce in this case, and they to read how he has no clue as to what he did wrong.

Id go but couldnt keep my mouth shut if asked an opinion.

[jacee]

Rue said ...

He was as blatant as it could get about where the money was going.

Rue you're not that dense.

Ford was ordered to pay back the money back that he extorted by peddling his influence as a City Councillor (using city resources and labour too btw). What he raised the money for is irrelevant.

To try to save himself personally from making that payment, he voted it down.

He voted to save his own personal money.

That's a direct conflict of interest, by the law.

By law, he should have recused himself from the vote because he had a personal financial interest in the outcome. That's a violation of the law, and a firing offense.

Prior to that vote, Ford was only in reprimand and repay territory. To recap ...

Rob Ford used his taxpayer funded time and taxpayer funded staff, time and equipment to raise money for his personal interests.

How 'bout we all do that?

Instead of doing our jobs, we'll all spend employer's time and use their resources and staff labour to extort money from their clients, potential contractors and suppliers for our pet charities.

How long would you expect to stay employed there if you did that?

Are we taxpayers willing to fund that when it's public employees doing it?

Bullheaded Ford thought it was OK.

But you're not that dense Rue.

[cybercoma]

So anyone here going to Ford's backyard BBQ tonight?

I'm not going, but I plan on scoping things out from the park behind his house.

[jacee]

I'm not going, but I plan on scoping things out from the park behind his house.

Let us know how it goes when the PRIDE parade shows up!

[jacee]

http://m.torontosun.com/2012/09/07/felt-like-murderer-in-court-rob-ford

A day after his conflict-of-interest hearing wrapped up,Mayor Rob Ford says he felt “like a murderer” in court this week while Councillor Adam Vaughan told him to stop “whining.”

Vaughan —an outspoken critic of Ford and possible mayoral candidate in 2014 - had nothing but tough talk for the mayor Friday as everyone waits for the judge’s decision in the case.

“He keeps playing the victim in all of this,he’s becoming a bit of a suck,” Vaughan said.

“Solve the problem yourself and stop blaming other people. It is not so much about what the judge decides it is about how easily he could have solved this problem (himself).

...

“I don’t know,the way I was treated this week I feel like a murderer to tell you the truth,” Ford told the station. “They cross-examined me the whole nine yards. Basically,(I was) helping kids. It was pretty rough. But you’ve got to move on, it’s over and now it is in the judge’s hands to decide.”

Here's the whine ... reported by the Toronto Star whose reporters took advantage of the open invitation to go inside the fence.

“When you didn’t do anything wrong and they throw you over the coals like that and you’re just trying to help kids ... “

And also at Ford Fest ..

Wearing a crisp black suit, Ford stationed himself out front of the old homestead — a palatial estate where mom Diane still resides — greeting guests, high-fiving kids and posing for photos.

...

Gord Sinclair, 29, was ecstatic at his brief tête-à-tête with the mayor, jumping excitedly after their handshake and chat.

“I can smell Ford! I am jazzed! Who wants to smell Ford’s hands?”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1253398--open-hospitality-at-mayor-rob-ford-s-family-barbecue-dimanno

Edited September 8, 2012 by jacee

[Rue]

Let me guess, you'll attempt to ride this horse and try...try..try to make some sort of point? Have I got it rig....

Oh wait, looky here

Slowly....here is the problem.....Kyle did not vote on the payback scheme. Rob did.

Thats conflict of interest. That is the only thing this is about.

But hey, come on back with more lame excuses.

There is nobody, and I mean nobody, who backs Ford in this, well, except for the brains behind the Mayor, Doug.

Even ardent right wingers and supporters of Ford are saying he was dumb. Im guessing you are in his camp based on your post

You again as usual missed the point. Here I will go even slower... the vote did not, can not and never created a conflict of interest-there was none..there was no personal benefit to Ford...his activity did not benefit himnself, it benefitted the children who could not afford football equipment. The vote has nothing to do with the creation of whether there was a personal benefit. On the other hand there is no vote needed to determine and understand that Kyle Raye stuffed his fat selfish face with taxpayers money. If Kyle had asked his constituents to vote on whether they wanted that $12,000 going to projects in their ward or Kyle's fact face what do you think they would have voted for? Hmmmm? What there was no conflict because no one voted? Right. Are you really that thick?

Do you think anyone in this city other than you and your trio of righteous geniuses find raising money for a football team immoral or a conflict?

Does your pee brain deny this or what? Do you think the vote is the moral criteria to use to determine a conflict? In fact that vote you now suddenly trot out and the legal arguements Rubty threw out are the lame excuses for trying to reframe an impeachment from office of Ford.

Talk about lame excuses to impeach someone.

Go on you are suddenly a champion of voting, lets hold a referendum right now and see just how many Torontonians would vote to throw Ford out. You know damn well no one would. Your voting pretense is lame. As lame as it gets.

By the way are you as stupid as you claim Ford is? I ask that because the issue is not whether Ford is stupid-its whether he used his office to personally benefit for himself. He did not.

That was never the issue but it summarizes where your head is at-this pathetic presumption that the people who voted Ford in are all stupid because unlike you they support what Ford did, does and could care less he used his stationery to aid a football team.

You won't get it because to do so would admit you are elitist, a presumptious snot who thinks he can use this issue to pronounce yourself and your tee hee giggle group intellectually superior to Ford and those stupdid shmucks that voted him in all unworthy of being allowed him as their mayor.

Democracy? Hah. Not in your world. We impeach people because of semantics and the twisting of a rule to mean something it was never intended to mean.

In your world a politician who uses his office stationery to aid a charity he works for needs to be impeached but some fat Marie Antoinette socialist elitist who shoves $12,000 of canopes down his throat did nothing wrong.

Edited September 9, 2012 by Rue

[guyser]

You again as usual missed the point.

I see...hmm... I wonder what the point of this trial is/was?

Well, it is about Ford voting whether or not to abide by the rules as laid down in the Muni Act.

It is pretty clear to most people (and not an agenda like you have) that he should not be voting should he personally benefit from the vote. And this is where you go off the rails and make up some lame ass scenario to try and convince others he didnt.

No one is concerned about the raising of funds for football. No one!

There is concern he isnt smart enough (quite true) to know he cannot send letters for donations to lobbyists using City Hall letterhead. Kind of obvious, and every councillor knows it, well , save for one Moron, your hero !

Fine company there Rue

But all that aside, the issue is ROb voted to rescind the lawful order to re-pay $3000 as compensation for his errors.

He should not have voted.

Let me re-state this, for you are the only one who doesnt get the issue.

He should not have voted.

I do hope this is simple enough for you? Yes? (it should be, if not well.....enjoy life, it must be hard)

Here I will go even slower... the vote did not, can not and never created a conflict of interest-there was none..there was no personal benefit to Ford...his activity did not benefit himnself,

Oh boy I guess not.Saving himself from cutting a cheque for $3000 is what?

Hey everyone, Im voting to not pay my property taxes this year. The Rue Principle says I dont benefit !

Woot!

Oh look, more Kyle Rae garbage, as if it had any relevancy to Ford.

it benefitted the children who could not afford football equipment. The vote has nothing to do with the creation of whether there was a personal benefit. On the other hand there is no vote needed to determine and understand that Kyle Raye stuffed his fat ...blah blah of semantics and the twisting of a rule to mean something it was never intended to mean.

In your world a politician who uses his office stationery to aid a charity he works for needs to be impeached but some fat Marie Antoinette socialist elitist who shoves $12,000 of canopes down his throat did nothing wrong.

Not one word of relevance to Fords predicament

You do not understand the first thing about this.

Edited September 9, 2012 by guyser

[Rue]

Obviously not the case. And if it were, he could always just use Ford's definition of conflict of interest.

brilliant reasoning. as long as rob ford spends taxpayer's money on himself its o.k. there is no conflict of interest. brilliant. kyle rae suffs his face with $12,000 no problem, no conflict. Rob Ford spends $3,000 to pay to equip football players who can not afford it-oooh suddenly there is a conflict.

oh come on now-its so easy to see-stuff your fact face, good, help others who need it, bad.

Now imagine had Kyle Rae taken the $12,000 of taxpayer's money he wasted stuffing his fat face and donated it to the food bank. Oh well. Very bad. Conflict of interest. Bad. Bad. We would have had to get Clayton Ruby after him.

What a crock. What an absolute crock of hippocracy and double standard.

What a joke. A right wing slob gives money to the poor, and the same socialist champions of the poor who stuff their fact righteous faces on canopes, become outraged.

Right. Let them eat cake right Doggy Doo? Let them eat cake.

Reality bites once again. In your world, those that think and smell like you get one standard, the rest another.

Right.

[guyser]

brilliant reasoning. as long as rob ford spends taxpayer's money on himself its o.k. there is no conflict of interest. brilliant. kyle rae suffs his face with $12,000 no problem, no conflict. Rob Ford spends $3,000 to pay to equip football players who can not afford it-oooh suddenly there is a conflict.

Heres a suggestion.

Go read why he is being tried, then come back and debate.

You are not on point for any of this.

We talk about oranges and you reply with magazine subscriptions

And from someone who admonsihed us for laughing at Fords largesse we get this...

Rue

Kyle Rae taken the $12,000 of taxpayer's money he wasted stuffing his fat face

..and the same socialist champions of the poor who stuff their fact righteous faces on canopes,(sic)

that Kyle Raye stuffed his fat selfish face with

..projects in their ward or Kyle's fact face what do you think they would

Credibility . Got any ?

Edited September 9, 2012 by guyser

[Boges]

What a joke. A right wing slob gives money to the poor, and the same socialist champions of the poor who stuff their fact righteous faces on canopes, become outraged.

Well that's why even a Ford opponent has to look at this as purely political and not say Ford somehow committed some sort of major fraud against the people of Toronto.

Ford's guilty of being arrogant and negligent on this issue. But again to turf him from office for this would be very heavy-handed.

It's why I compared him to Clinton. Clinton was doing a pretty good job at being President but a totally separate indiscretion almost brought him down. It was the blind hatred from the right that caused it. We see a similar blind hatred from the left here.

Ford's approval ratings have stayed around 40-50% his entire term so in a three-way race (many of the past mayoral races end up being that) he stands a good shot at being re-elected.

Edited September 10, 2012 by Boges

[PIK]

I didn't vote for Ford, but I almost did. I voted for Smitherman after some thought.

I also don't hate Ford, I think he's a fool, but I think his heart is in the right place (unlike Harper) and that he does not want to, nor is able to actually do damage (unlike Hudak)

But, I am a "Leftist" according to many.

Not everyone who did not vote for Ford is insane.

Explain unlike harper?

Edited September 10, 2012 by PIK

[PIK]

Lets remember these are the same guys that keep dalton in power. That is why the ROC have no respect for TO anymore. The city has become one big joke.

[Black Dog]

Well that's why even a Ford opponent has to look at this as purely political and not say Ford somehow committed some sort of major fraud against the people of Toronto.

Ford's guilty of being arrogant and negligent on this issue. But again to turf him from office for this would be very heavy-handed.

That's the punishment. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

It's why I compared him to Clinton. Clinton was doing a pretty good job at being President but a totally separate indiscretion almost brought him down. It was the blind hatred from the right that caused it. We see a similar blind hatred from the left here.

I think the tinge of influence peddling that lies over the fundraising and the disdain Ford has for the rules make his issues a little more relevant to his suitability for the job than Clinton's hummer did.

Ford's approval ratings have stayed around 40-50% his entire term so in a three-way race (many of the past mayoral races end up being that) he stands a good shot at being re-elected.

They haven't been that steady at all. They've dipped as low as 30%.

[Boges]

That's the punishment. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Well that's the maximum punishment for the crime. Conflict of interest can be far worse than this. If Ford pocketed donations from lobbyists that wanted preferential treatment in let say a condo development, you know actual criminal activity, maybe call for his impeachment may be warranted.

I think the tinge of influence peddling that lies over the fundraising and the disdain Ford has for the rules make his issues a little more relevant to his suitability for the job than Clinton's hummer did.

Both are instances where the cover-up is worse than the crime. Had Ford not voted on the issue we wouldn't have this court case. Had Clinton admitted to getting his knob serviced no one would have looked to impeach him.

They haven't been that steady at all. They've dipped as low as 30%.

You get different results from different sources but it seems he has a core support of around 40%

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/03/mayor-fords-approval-rating-slips-poll-finds

A Forum Research poll conducted last week found Ford’s approval rating was sitting at 42% but has slipped 3% from a poll conducted earlier in June. The same poll found Ford would be facing a formidable fight if NDP MP Olivia Chow ran against him in the next election.

Forum Research president Lorne Bozinoff said that despite the 58% disapproval rating, Ford seems to be holding his approval rating steady just above 40%.

“This is kind of his core support now,” Bozinoff said. “His job in the next two years is find another 10%.

“He’s got the Ford Nation (vote), the group of 40% … everyone obviously knows who he is and what he stands for so he’s got to think about finding another 10% and then he’d be in really good shape.”

Edited September 10, 2012 by Boges

[guyser]

Well that's the maximum punishment for the crime.

Its also the minimum.

If found guilty he is thrown ouy of office and barred for 7 yrs.

Conflict of interest can be far worse than this.

[ If Ford pocketed donations from lobbyists that wanted preferential treatment in let say a condo development, you know actual criminal activity, maybe call for his impeachment may be warranted.

Therein lies the problem. These lobbyists who were solicited may very well have been developers who knew soon they would be able to wink wink...ask Rob for a favour. Its why this cannot go on.

Had Ford not voted on the issue we wouldn't have this court case.

And this goes to his stupidity ignorance and general feeling that "Im ROb F'ing Ford" as he did lo those many months ago.

Even thought he voted, and shouldnt have, he could have listened to advisors after the fact and done the right thing.

But not good ol Rob baby. He kept refusing and now look where his misguided and ignorant actions land him.