Michigan Cop visiting Calgary - what a world view!

[WWWTT]

Here is another question for you how many civilians have died due to faulty construction, completed by construction trades persons across Canada. there must be a few, i google searched it and got well over 20 pages of law suits with dozens of deaths attributed to poor workmen ship, or cutting corners....once again painting every construction trade with the same brush they to are responsable for dozens of deaths across canada......one would think not only are they dangerous but they are killers as well...

I'm not asking you to pat them on the back, just show them the respect they may deserve...and if they are guilty of doing illigal things i support your post and they should be held accountable....

In 2011, there were 598 homicides in Canada, 44 more than the previous year, marking a 7% increase in the homicide rate (1.7 per 100,000 population) (Table 4, Chart 10). The homicide rate has generally been decreasing since peaking in the mid-1970s.

Similar to previous years, violent crimes accounted for about one-fifth of offences reported by police in 2011. Police reported more than 424,400 violent incidents, 14,800 fewer than in 2010.

Never said that it does not happen just it was not being carried out by the majority.....

Way too far from the thread to respond to,start another thread if you wish to discuss this subject.

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[Wilber]

What difference does that make?? My response is still as relevant as your observation. Seems to me you are tying really hard to get around it, but it is what it is.

None of our judges have to get re-elected. Our Charter puts different limitations on our judges than yours. Besides we are comparing a legal (in your country) item with an item that is illegal in both countries.

[Guest American Woman]

None of our judges have to get re-elected. Our Charter puts different limitations on our judges than yours.

Again. What does that have to do with anything?? It's still part of your government, so what I said stands.

Besides we are comparing a legal (in your country) item with an item that is illegal in both countries.

So what? The reason there is a greater availability of drugs in your country, coming into our country, is because of your country's lax repercussions. You yourself said, emphasis mine, "Drugs are just as illegal in Canada as the US although the way our courts often act, you sometimes wonder."

[Wilber]

Again. What does that have to do with anything?? It's still part of your government, so what I said stands.

Elected judges have to take public opinion in mind when sentencing, ours never do. In our country, the elected make the laws and the judges do the sentencing. Aside from 1st degree and sometimes 2nd degree murder, our judges almost never give sentences that are anywhere near the maximum allowed under the law regardless of what the public and politicians think.

So what? The reason there is a greater availability of drugs in your country, coming into our country, is because of your country's lax repercussions. You yourself said, emphasis mine, "Drugs are just as illegal in Canada as the US although the way our courts often act, you sometimes wonder."

Compared to you, that may be true. On the other hand, we don't throw someone in jail for possession of a joint even though the law does allow for it.

While guns are a big part of the drug trade, drugs themselves can not be used as a weapon.

Edited August 21, 2012 by Wilber

[Guest American Woman]

Elected judges have to take public opinion in mind when sentencing, ours never do. In our country, the elected make the laws and the judges do the sentencing. Aside from 1st degree and sometimes 2nd degree murder, our judges almost never give sentences that are anywhere near the maximum allowed under the law regardless of what the public and politicians think.

None of that matters. Your judicial system is part of your government.

[Wilber]

None of that matters. Your judicial system is part of your government.

Of course it does. Don't be so obtuse.

[Guest American Woman]

Of course it does. Don't be so obtuse.

Me obtuse? I don't think so. As I said, my statement is as valid as yours. Your judicial system is part of your government.

[Wilber]

Me obtuse? I don't think so. As I said, my statement is as valid as yours. Your judicial system is part of your government.

So what, they operate independently from our elected law makers.

[Guest American Woman]

So what, they operate independently from our elected law makers.

Which has nothing to do with anything that I said.

[Wilber]

Which has nothing to do with anything that I said.

So what? You glom on to one little detail and won't let it go no matter how little it has to do with the subject at hand.

[Guest American Woman]

So what? You glom on to one little detail and won't let it go no matter how little it has to do with the subject at hand.

Are you serious?? :lol:

You said: A big problem of ours is the vast majority of restricted and prohibited weapons in Canada come from you lot. If it ever became necessary be armed in Canada, it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to say that your lax gun laws were a big factor in making it so.

To which I responded: A big problem of ours is that a lot of our illicit drugs come from Canada. So I guess by the same token it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to say that your lax drug laws are a big factor in our gun problem, since so much of it is drug related. Sounds about right, eh?

You pointed out that Drugs are just as illegal in Canada as the US although the way our courts often act, you sometimes wonder.

To which I responded Ok, so replace "lax drug laws" with "lax enforcement/repercussions," and my argument stands. Right?

And YOU have been the one arguing it with every little irrelevant thing you can come up with, even going so far as to say your judicial system isn't part of your government - and when I FACTUALLY pointed out that your judicial system most definitely IS part of your government, you have been going on and on --- but this, but that, but it's different here than there -- which doesn't change the reality one iota.

But ya. I am the one going on and on --- because I responded to your nonsense -- which YOU brought into the discussion.

[Wilber]

Let me know when someone is beaten to death with a bag of chrystal meth, then we can continue the discussion.

[Guest American Woman]

Let me know when someone is beaten to death with a bag of chrystal meth, then we can continue the discussion.

If you don't realize how ignorant your response is, there's no point in even trying to discuss it ....

Edited August 21, 2012 by American Woman

[WWWTT]

The reason there is a greater availability of drugs in your country, coming into our country, is because of your country's lax repercussions. You yourself said, emphasis mine, "Drugs are just as illegal in Canada as the US although the way our courts often act, you sometimes wonder."

Completely false!

The reason why drugs come into your country is because of demand,plain and simple!

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[Guest American Woman]

Completely false!

The reason why drugs come into your country is because of demand,plain and simple!

Same reason why guns come into your country. Did you see the comment I was responding to?

[dre]

The reason there is a greater availability of drugs in your country, coming into our country, is because of your country's lax repercussions.

Iv looked long and hard for real evidence of such a claim and never found any. Stiffer sentencing and more "repercussions" drive up the price, and make it even more attractive for black market players to enter into the supply business.

The only successful approach I have ever seen is to replace criminalization with treatment... that will actually reduce aggregate demand.

[WWWTT]

Same reason why guns come into your country. Did you see the comment I was responding to?

Yep and I also read your responses too!

Are you now denying your responses?I guess you are.

WWWTT

[Guest American Woman]

Yep and I also read your responses too!

Are you now denying your responses?I guess you are.

Ummmm. Nooooooo. Now run along and tell Wilbur that "the reason why drugs guns come into your country is because of demand,plain and simple!" Thank you.

[TheNewTeddy]

Supply and Demand are a pair, they work together to make things happen or stop them from happening. One without the other means that you are not getting your hands on what you want.

[wyly]

Iv looked long and hard for real evidence of such a claim and never found any. Stiffer sentencing and more "repercussions" drive up the price, and make it even more attractive for black market players to enter into the supply business.

The only successful approach I have ever seen is to replace criminalization with treatment... that will actually reduce aggregate demand.

Portugal and Netherlands relaxed their respective drug laws and it works...treating addicts like criminals instead of drug dependents(medical) breaks the cycle...untreated addicts create a market for a criminal trade in drugs, if drug users are classified as criminals there is no incentive (and little help) to stop...

[dre]

Portugal and Netherlands relaxed their respective drug laws and it works...treating addicts like criminals instead of drug dependents(medical) breaks the cycle...untreated addicts create a market for a criminal trade in drugs, if drug users are classified as criminals there is no incentive (and little help) to stop...

Yup. Portugal decriminalized completely, and the Netherlands suspended enforcement in a lot of cases.

The biggest success story is portugal...

Between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

Edited August 24, 2012 by dre

[WWWTT]

Ummmm. Nooooooo. Now run along and tell Wilbur that "the reason why drugs guns come into your country is because of demand,plain and simple!" Thank you.

Then why do you not address the fact that the US has an incredibly strong demand?

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[Guest American Woman]

Then why do you not address the fact that the US has an incredibly strong demand?

Right after you do as I asked..."run along and tell Wilbur that 'the reason why drugs guns come into your country is because of demand,plain and simple!'"

[GostHacked]

Did I say I did?? I'm not the one making claims about them, much less accusing a specific individual of wrongdoing.

But you are making a counter claim. And in order to make a counter claim, you would have to know about it.

[WWWTT]

Right after you do as I asked..."run along and tell Wilbur that 'the reason why drugs guns come into your country is because of demand,plain and simple!'"

Stop talking down to me lady!

This is rude and against forum rules!

I'm going to report your behavior and I hope you suspended lady!

WWWTT