Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 This is exactly why we shouldn't allow for ccw and the citizenry to take things in to their own hands. The patrons there were lucky that the guy with the gun didn't start shooting back at them and the shooter was lucky he didn't kill anyone as well. Stupid to fire out the door like that as well. Last I’ve read, there’s over 5 million Americans with CCW permits……..And it’s hardly the OK Corral down there…………Here’s some statistics on crime in Texas, contrasted with crimes done by CCW holders: TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 I don't know of any assult on the nuclear family. I believe it is as strong as it ever was. But it's laughable that you would say gun violence was almost non-existent in the 40s and 50s, or that semi-automatic "assult" weapons were as plentiful as they are now. That's just not true. Facts are facts, and you can't just make them up when you're feeling uncomfortable about facilitating murder. M1 Garands & M1 Carbines (To say nothing of captured Japanese and German weapons) were plentiful post-war and dirt cheap…….. Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 M1 Garands & M1 Carbines (To say nothing of captured Japanese and German weapons) were plentiful post-war and dirt cheap…….. Where'd they go? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Where'd they go? No where other then lucky collectors safes........I'm not defending his point on actual numbers between then and now, but actual battle rifles were easily available post-war and an M1 Garand or Carbine were/are a much more lethal and reliable rifle then the vast majority of cheapo (relative term) sporty semi-auto AR-15 clones on the market today...... Edited July 22, 2012 by Derek L Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 No where other then lucky collectors safes........ I don't dispute there was a lot of army surplus merchandise available either. I was just pointing out the ridiculous assertion that there were more guns then than there are now. He probably heard that after the war there were more guns than ever before and figured they must have meant "since" too. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 I don't dispute there was a lot of army surplus merchandise available either. I was just pointing out the ridiculous assertion that there were more guns then than there are now. He probably heard that after the war there were more guns than ever before and figured they must have meant "since" too. Perhaps eh With that said, proportionately, guns and population have increased at relatively the same rate………That doesn’t translate necessarily into individual ownership, guns are after all expensive, and generally once one purchases a gun, they then purchase two or three or thirty more (A variable based on a wife’s tolerance) with a result being that any drastic blip in gun sales is usually a result of current gun owners purchasing more (popular) guns as opposed to a proliferation of new owners………. Has violent gun crime risen over the last couple of decades. No it has dropped. But I’m certain it’s reported on with a greater frequency today then in the 80s (or 40s, 50s and 60s)……..Is this drop a result of new, tougher gun laws? Nope. The “assault weapons ban” in the States came and went with no major fluctuation in gun crime……Perhaps we’re becoming less violent (and older) but better informed……I dunno, but I do know guns “do not have inherent moral qualities”, they are steel, plastic and wood after all. Quote
Topaz Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) http://ca.news.yahoo.com/evidence-shows-months-calculation-ahead-colorado-shooting-police-011346115.html The reports are they this guy planned this for the last four months. He bought 6000 rounds on -line but the guns were bought at a shop. I would really like to know what that shop owner is thinking right now and what they were thinking when a he bought 3-4 guns? The shop owners have to take some responsibilty in this. Edited July 22, 2012 by Topaz Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) I would really like to know what that shop owner is thinking right now and what they were thinking when a he bought 3-4 guns? He was probably thinking..."cash or charge?" I once bought 500 rounds of 9mm parabellum for my old Taurus...because they were on sale! Edited July 22, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 The shop owners have to take some responsibilty in this. Not any more so than everybody else. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 He was probably thinking..."cash or charge?" I got 2000 rounds of 7.62 (NATO) FMJ a couple of weeks ago for $700 at a gun show.......If you're not picky, you can get surplus Eastern European or Chinese ammo even cheaper (and online, but shipping is expensive): $199.00 Sellier & Bellot Surplus 7.62x39 127 Grain FMJ 1200 Round Case Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 I got 2000 rounds of 7.62 (NATO) FMJ a couple of weeks ago for $700 at a gun show... Though it is kind of demented to brag about buying ammo in a thread about a mass murder. It takes all kinds, I guess. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Though it is kind of demented to brag about buying ammo in a thread about a mass murder. It takes all kinds, I guess. Ammo needs love too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Not sure where to put this thread but had a few questions for our American residents: What type of gun regulations does Colorado have? I mean, why did this guy manage to injure 71 people in all, with 12 fatalities? Would not someone else have had a gun to take him down? If Colorado had strict, New York type gun regulations, it would have been even less likely that a law-abiding person would have been armed and able to take him down. That is a major argument against gun control. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Though it is kind of demented to brag about buying ammo in a thread about a mass murder. It takes all kinds, I guess. I wouldn’t say “bragging”, but both myself and BC are putting context to Topaz’s reporting of the shooter purchasing “6000 rounds”……..Couldn’t one also say it’s demented to be dancing on the graves of shooting victims and using such tragedies to further a political agenda? Or is it demented to compare said mentally ill shooter with millions of other people that happen to own guns? Quote
wyly Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 I wouldn’t say “bragging”, but both myself and BC are putting context to Topaz’s reporting of the shooter purchasing “6000 rounds”……..Couldn’t one also say it’s demented to be dancing on the graves of shooting victims and using such tragedies to further a political agenda? Or is it demented to compare said mentally ill shooter with millions of other people that happen to own guns? 1 in 5 canadians will go through a mental illness in their lifetime...so of the 2,000,000 gun owners 400,000 will suffer mental illness... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 1 in 5 canadians will go through a mental illness in their lifetime...so of the 2,000,000 gun owners 400,000 will suffer mental illness... So what? Mental illness manifests itself in many ways...even in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Gun control explained: Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 1 in 5 canadians will go through a mental illness in their lifetime...so of the 2,000,000 gun owners 400,000 will suffer mental illness... Are you suggesting that there have and or will be 400000 gun crimes in Canada, caused by legal gun owners, suffering from mental illness? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusional de·lu·sion·al [dih-loo-zhuh-nl] Show IPAadjective 1.having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions: Senators who think they will get agreement on a comprehensive tax bill are delusional. 2.Psychiatry . maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness: He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought everybody was conspiring against him. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Gun control explained: That is classic!!!! Do you want all gun owners to join Militias? And I don’t want to be neutered Quote
waldo Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Though it is kind of demented to brag about buying ammo in a thread about a mass murder. It takes all kinds, I guess. I'm surprised he hasn't regaled us with another account of all his guns... actually, I'm quite shaken that the jingo-porn is still on hold... itchy trigger fingers and all! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 I'm surprised he hasn't regaled us with another account of all his guns... actually, I'm quite shaken that the jingo-porn is still on hold... itchy trigger fingers and all! Already have a thread for that.....you know, the one you got chased out of Quote
waldo Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 Already have a thread for that.....you know, the one you got chased out of buddy, you're on a fantasy roll! But keep trying... you to can aspire to be one of the bigDogs! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 buddy, you're on a fantasy roll! But keep trying... you to can aspire to be one of the bigDogs! Remember this passage: Waldo: whaaa! Hey now... just when does "thread drift" become "thread hijacking"? Just sayin Derek L: When one is venturing over their head into technical merits of a topic? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20728&st=15 Quote
waldo Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 wow! I did not realize you had such a fragile ego... bloody amazing considering it's an anonymous fragile ego! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted July 22, 2012 Report Posted July 22, 2012 wow! I did not realize you had such a fragile ego... bloody amazing considering it's an anonymous fragile ego! I have a fragile ego? Your posts are the ones littered with self congratulation combined with sneering insults to others…….. Quote
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