Moonlight Graham Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Because thats the one thing that big liberal and big conservative governments have in common! They hate our freedom. Or more accurately, they love their power. The Harper gov wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for all their power-hungry BS moves they've been trying to pull since they 1st took power. I couldn't even imagine what cabinet/caucus meetings are like for the other CPC members trying to work with Harper. He must be a total douche to work under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 But you didn't answer my question, I thought you Americans were loathe to support that type of invasive big brother style of government... It was a silly question....America "invades" for domestic and foreign interests on a routine basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Because thats the one thing that big liberal and big conservative governments have in common! They hate our freedom. It's probably the fact they're so big that makes them so inimical to the little people they purport to represent. What they stand for ranges from being secondary to neither here nor there in the scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 But you didn't answer my question, I thought you Americans were loathe to support that type of invasive big brother style of government... You really think an american would be that tied up in knots about the Liberal party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 That's terrible. I mean they might hear some NDP rabble or the like and conclude the fuk**** sky is falling. Look, the TSA goes through your baggage, listens to your responses and might pat you downor X-Ray you because of terrorist threat. Put the *&^($#! blame where it belongs, on criminal behavior and threat to lives. Remember the The Air India disaster, 20 years laterIt was deemed the worst act of terrorism in Canadian history: 331 people were killed (most Canadians) in two decisive and deliberate explosions — Now if there's found to be reasonable justification for ANY security device, So long as I'm aware, I say bring it on. June 19, 2012 Canadians get a dose of TSA-style surveillance Not to be outdone by the Transportation Security Administration, the Canadian Border Services Agency has announced the installation of cameras and microphones that will eavesdrop on travelers at airports and border crossings. The initiative is thought to be a deterrent to drug smugglers and other criminals aspiring to cross the border unnoticed, a problem that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police identified in Project SPAWN. Project SPAWN found 58 organized crime groups working within airports or using them as a part of their illegal activities. The union representing 45 CBSA employees at Ottawa’s Macdonald-Cartier International Airport is concerned that personal conversations could become a part of an employee’s official record, the Ottawa Citizen reports. “It is important to note that even though audio technology is installed, no audio is recorded at this time. It will become functional at a later date,” CBSA spokesman Chris Kealey said in a written statement. When audio recording begins, travelers at Ottawa’s airport can expect to see signs referring them to a privacy notice that will be posted on line and a help line where callers can learn how the recordings will be used, stored, disclosed and retained. http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/18/canadian-travels-get-a-dose-of-tsa-style-surveillance/#ixzz1yFFWjehs'>http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/18/canadian-travels-get-a-dose-of-tsa-style-surveillance/#ixzz1yFFWjehs http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/18/canadian-travels-get-a-dose-of-tsa-style-surveillance/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Nothing you do or say is private in a public place, and they don't come much more public than the airport. And if you think the Conservatives are tweaking your big brother fears you ought to see what the Labour party did in the UK. There are cameras EVERYWHERE. Yes and that is a blueprint I'd rather not see here in Canada. But as time goes on, more and more we are seeing that here. In many cases it is already here, but it's so covertly done that you have no idea that it IS being done. If an attack of some kind is going to happen at the Ottawa airport, I really doubt that they would be talking about that inside the terminal. Also, the moment you hear something like that over the mics, it might be followed by a large BOOM. The mics cannot prevent terrorism, like cameras they will only document the attack. This is not about catching terrorists. Give it year before we see the body scanners used for domestic travelers within Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Nothing you do or say is private in a public place, and they don't come much more public than the airport. Airports like PIA are private property , not public. For this bill to become law will need an amendment to CCC , section 184. The conservatives are overreaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Toews has ordered the CBSA to stop monitoring conversations until the mandatory Privacy Assessment is completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Airports like PIA are private property , not public. For this bill to become law will need an amendment to CCC , section 184. The conservatives are overreaching. Most airports are Federal property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 But Vic can still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) The Liberals while arrogant, were never this arrogant and quick to violate freedoms and rights. Besides I thought Americans despised that sort of big brother invasive type of government Then you better check trudeau's bill C-150. And on the airport thing, I am OK with it, if the people listening tell us any stock tips they might pick from business men talking. Edited June 19, 2012 by PIK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Most airports are Federal property. ...meaning private? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Then you better check trudeau's bill C-150 The one that decriminalized homosexuality ? Abortion? Gun Possession? Cruelty to animals? DUI's ? Yup, massive abuse of rights by giving people rights....umm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 ...meaning private? Let's be clear. I'm against the Government of Canada recording random conversations that may or may not be a threat to security. Vic is the kind of politician I'd join the Occupy Movement to counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Let's be clear. I'm against the Government of Canada recording random conversations that may or may not be a threat to security. Vic is the kind of politician I'd join the Occupy Movement to counter. I am with you on that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 The one that decriminalized homosexuality ? Abortion? Gun Possession? Cruelty to animals? DUI's ? Yup, massive abuse of rights by giving people rights....umm.... Just saying that harper did not invent these big bills,listening to the media you would think this was the 1st time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Most airports are Federal property. The land is federal property, not the terminals. The land is leased by airport authorities. The Federal government has little to do with airports other than making bags of money off them. This would be great for monitoring employees and eavesdropping on opposition MP's as they wait for flights but not much else IMO. Vic is one scary individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Just saying that harper did not invent these big bills,listening to the media you would think this was the 1st time. No sorry, you werent 'just saying' anything about these big bills. You were talking about violations of freedoms and rights , and arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Toews has ordered the CBSA to stop monitoring conversations until the mandatory Privacy Assessment is completed. The mics will go in regardless of the report. Loopholes will be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 The land is federal property, not the terminals. The land is leased by airport authorities. The Federal government has little to do with airports other than making bags of money off them. This would be great for monitoring employees and eavesdropping on opposition MP's as they wait for flights but not much else IMO. Agreement. Though the Feds have a much higher profile at the smaller airports, the terminal itself is usually a private venture. Vic is one scary individual. Yes he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Toews has ordered the CBSA to stop monitoring conversations until the mandatory Privacy Assessment is completed. They hadn't started. Like answering ? Do you still beat your spouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Just saying that harper did not invent these big bills,listening to the media you would think this was the 1st time. The scope of this bill and the consolidation of power in it are unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) They hadn't started. Like answering ? Do you still beat your spouse. http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/06/19/pol-border-services-agency-eavesdropping-travellers-halt.html Yeah. They had. Edited June 19, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/06/19/pol-border-services-agency-eavesdropping-travellers-halt.html Yeah. They had. That's probably just the tip of this security iceberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Also was reading about Bill C-30, internet monitoring. This allows the government and others to eavesdrop on your internet communications, including email complete with password etc., WITHOUT WARRANT. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/16/pol-toews-c-30-internet-surveillance-not-dead.html This is the one which Field- Marshall Vic Toews claimed was to protect the public from child pornographers, but in fact the bill does not mention child pornography. There is no specific boundary condition in which the bill can be applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.