Suicide car bomber kills 12 in Nigeria church

[jbg]

It doesn't come as a surprise. Another massacre for no good reason.

Yet people will always blame the victim, and blame persecution of these poor innocent butchers. The West needs to understand that this is unrestrained, unbridled war. We fight with our hands tied behind our back. They don't.

Suicide car bomber kills 12 in Nigeria church

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YELWA, Nigeria (Reuters) - A suicide bomber drove a car full of explosives into a church in northern Nigeria on Sunday, killing 12 people in the latest deadly attack on Christian worshippers, witnesses said.

Security forces at a road block nearby said the bomber forced his car through the checkpoint and drove into the church in Yelwa, on the outskirts of the city of Bauchi.

A Reuters reporter at the scene counted 12 bodies being pulled from the building.

"I had just left after the morning service and was out of the church when I heard a loud explosion. I rushed back and there were dozens of people lying in pools of blood," said Aliku Jon, a mechanic, adding that at least six people died instantly. "Many were injured including two police officers."

It was not clear who was responsible for the attack, although churches have been targeted this year by militant Islamist group Boko Haram - which has increasingly used suicide bombers.

[Michael Hardner]

The 'Religion of Peace' meme in this context is just a red herring, used selectively to imply that someone's religion causes them to be violent, without saying it outright.

In any case, it's a ridiculous notion. It's not religion that causes people to behave this way. And in this example, it's pretty hard to blame the culture when it's different from mainstream Islam.

So all we have is an empty strawman.

[BubberMiley]

I agree with jbg that religion is bogus and god is dead.

[Moonlight Graham]

In any case, it's a ridiculous notion. It's not religion that causes people to behave this way. And in this example, it's pretty hard to blame the culture when it's different from mainstream Islam.

Religion does make people behave this way. We have thousands of years of proof. But as you say, you can't blame all of Islam for what Islamists do, they are very different. Like blaming all of Christianity for David Koresh's cult of insanity.

Edited June 5, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[Canuckistani]

What would fighting them without our hands tied behind our backs look like? We blow up their women and children? Are you suggesting we invade Nigeria now, or what?

[GostHacked]

What about the weekly car bombings we see in the new Liberated Iraq?

[bleeding heart]

What would fighting them without our hands tied behind our backs look like?

It's an empty platitude, which at bottom wishes to portray Western behaviour on the internaitonal stage as benign and humane. It's preposterous.

[Guest Peeves]

The 'Religion of Peace' meme in this context is just a red herring, used selectively to imply that someone's religion causes them to be violent, without saying it outright.

In any case, it's a ridiculous notion. It's not religion that causes people to behave this way. And in this example, it's pretty hard to blame the culture when it's different from mainstream Islam.

So all we have is an empty strawman.

There is but one contemporary religion where millions of followers support the violent Islamist Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, who was the founder of Al-Qaeda, the jihadist organization responsible for the September 11 attacks on the United States, along with numerous other mass-casualty attacks against civilian and military targets. He is/was revered by millions of Muslims in many Muslim countries. I say that based on many reports of polls and writings in the Muslim world. Some from Muslim country sources.

One contemporary religion that has numerous leaders spouting their calls for draconian sharia and jihad all for domination and control of nonbelievers,... by Islam.

Claiming that 'it' is the only true religion.

Claiming that others are pigs and monkeys ...openly.

Murdering and suppressing it's own people on a routine basis along with any other so chosen.

Christians in Egypt and often elsewhere. Jews in any possible location..Olympics, buses, boats or pizza parlors.

It's not religion that causes people to behave this way.

Of course it is, for many Muslim nations that's their religious agenda and they make no bones in their leadership of saying so.It IS their religion that is causing those millions of zealous followers to act thus. That's very evident, for if you combine an quasi religion with a political ambition you create an Islamic jihad. The 'religion of Islam' is not simply a religion, it is a political force with an avowed agenda to convert or otherwise have everyone follow the last true prophet Mohamed.

Now any that follow the news and the preaching of many Muslim leaders and followers that scream

"Allahu Akbar (Arabic: الله أكبر) is a phrase, called Takbir in Arabic, meaning "God is greater" or "God is [the] greatest"." will not deny that millions support a violent (if necessary) Islamic cause.

Similarly while accepting and understanding and agreeing that there are millions more, some even secular or moderate or who innocently follow the non violent way THEY interpret their Islamic religion.

All too often they too are targets.

Yes it is their religion that sustains many in peace, and yes it is their political/religion that espouses sectarian hate and violence within and without.

[Guest Peeves]

Our concern for those violent followers is one thing.

However also of concern are the items often read DAILY in our newspapers revealing the draconian and anachronistic aspects in the Islamic/political arena. There are notable items daily that expose elements of Islamic tenets and culture that are damning.

And those without any effort to find!

Today alone in the National post alone..

"4 convicted of Danish Terror plot" Concerning plans to murder over the 'cartoons.' over a hundred victims targeted over religious fervor.

"Man gets 10 years for insulting Islam"

A Kuwaiti man dared to post about Mohammed and the Sunni rulers of Saudi Arabia. He was a Shiite.

'Religious police criticized for hassling women over nail polish."

Told to leave a mall in Saudi Arabia because of having used nail polish! Video (3 minute) shows religious police ordering her to "Get Out!"

Now there's a billion plus followers of Islam so negative examples would obviously be plentiful, BUT,...anyone daring to show examples of religious nonsense like this is often insulted by calling them islamo-phobes rather than dealing with the facts presented.

Of course not all Muslims are debased or religious zealots capable of violence or cultural depravity, but, there are certainly many in places like Saudi Arabia or Iran that deserve our criticism and disdain.

[bleeding heart]

Of course not all Muslims are debased or religious zealots capable of violence or cultural depravity, but, there are certainly many in places like Saudi Arabia or Iran that deserve our criticism and disdain.

No question.

[bud]

What would fighting them without our hands tied behind our backs look like? We blow up their women and children? Are you suggesting we invade Nigeria now, or what?

maybe they're using their chins or noses to press the buttons to release the rockets from airplanes and drones.

jbg never misses an opportunity to blame over 1 billion people and to receive sympathy for his tribe.

muslims bad = justification for israel's atrocities towards the palestinians

Edited June 5, 2012 by bud

[Guest Peeves]

maybe they're using their chins or noses to press the buttons to release the rockets from airplanes and drones.

jbg never misses an opportunity to blame over 1 billion people and to receive sympathy for his tribe.

muslims bad = justification for israel's atrocities towards the palestinians

Atrocity ?

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a·tro·cious

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adjective

1.

extremely or shockingly wicked, cruel, or brutal: an atrocious crime.

Hmm, I recall atrocities in Germany Jews and many others, Russia, Ukrainians,China, Turkey .."In Memory Of The 50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust

During 1894-1923 the Ottoman Empire conducted a policy of Genocide of the Christian population living within its extensive territory. The Sultan, Abdul Hamid, first put forth an official governmental policy of genocide against the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire in 1894.

Systematic massacres took place in 1894-1896 when Abdul savagely killed 300,000 Armenians throughout the provinces. Massacres recurred, and in 1909 government troops killed, in the towns of Adana alone, over 20,000 Christian Armenians."

Mohammed massacred Jews certainly an atrocity.."(Muslim massacre of the Qurayzah Jews)

There have been atrocities in many countries by men like Saddam -Iraq and in Uganda- Idi Amin. And there are atrocities occurring now Arab countries in this Arab spring as in Syria.

However those that post on Jews, ignore such atrocities and call Israeli's RESPONSES to attack atrocities, when weighed against the histories of such real atrocities is revolting, but, expected.

Bullshit

Usually

Discernible

Edited June 5, 2012 by Peeves

[bud]

Atrocity ?

"

Hmm, I recall atrocities in Germany Jews and many others, Russia, Ukrainians,China, Turkey .."In Memory Of The 50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust

During 1894-1923 the Ottoman Empire conducted a policy of Genocide of the Christian population living within its extensive territory. The Sultan, Abdul Hamid, first put forth an official governmental policy of genocide against the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire in 1894.

Systematic massacres took place in 1894-1896 when Abdul savagely killed 300,000 Armenians throughout the provinces. Massacres recurred, and in 1909 government troops killed, in the towns of Adana alone, over 20,000 Christian Armenians."

Mohammed massacred Jews certainly an atrocity.."(Muslim massacre of the Qurayzah Jews)

There have been atrocities in many countries by men like Saddam -Iraq and in Uganda- Idi Amin. And there are atrocities occurring now Arab countries in this Arab spring as in Syria.

However those that post on Jews, ignore such atrocities and call Israeli's RESPONSES to attack atrocities, when weighed against the histories of such real atrocities is revolting, but, expected.

Bullshit

Usually

Discernible

not sure why you're bringing up the tragedies of the holocaust when it has nothing to do with the palestinians. it was the nazis who did it.

i would call the killing and expelling over 600,000 people from their homes and the destroying of over 500 villages atrocities.

i would call the attack on gaza an atrocity.

[Michael Hardner]

Religion does make people behave this way. We have thousands of years of proof.

You can't separate religion as the effect. Do you think Heavy Metal music makes you take drugs, or is it drugs that make you listen to heavy metal ? Or is it puberty that makes people take drugs, which makes people do heavy metal ... or ?

[Michael Hardner]

There is but one contemporary religion where ...

That means nothing, when we're analyzing cause.

Claiming that 'it' is the only true religion.

I think they all do that. Otherwise, who would ever read past the fine print ?

Of course it is, for many Muslim nations that's their religious agenda and they make no bones in their leadership of saying so.

Ok... so if you're saying that it's true because their leaders say it, you sound like an Islamist devotee yourself. Every religion can call upon the unhinged to commit acts in its name. Don't blame the religion itself for that. Otherwise, why does Islam cast this spell (as you say) and not other religions ? What is it about Islam that's so different ?

[Jack Weber]

You can't separate religion as the effect. Do you think Heavy Metal music makes you take drugs, or is it drugs that make you listen to heavy metal ? Or is it puberty that makes people take drugs, which makes people do heavy metal ... or ?

I pretty much stopped listening to Heavy Metal when David Lee Roth left Van Halen...

The hair band left overs were,in a word,sucky...

And I have never taken any drugs...

[guyser]

And I have never taken any drugs...

<cough cough>.....I dont think so.

Almost everyone has...like 99.9% of people

[DogOnPorch]

not sure why you're bringing up the tragedies of the holocaust when it has nothing to do with the palestinians. it was the nazis who did it.

Other than the Mufti and his gang of thugs who were knee deep in the Holocaust.

[jbg]

The 'Religion of Peace' meme in this context is just a red herring, used selectively to imply that someone's religion causes them to be violent, without saying it outright.

Sigh.

Why do so many people persist in denying the obvious; that Islam now hosts a disproportionate number of massacres. In days gone by Christianity and during the Biblical era Judaism had their fair share of atrocities. Now, radical Islam has most of them, and "moderate" Islam's condemnations are at best whispers.

[dre]

Sigh.

Why do so many people persist in denying the obvious; that Islam now hosts a disproportionate number of massacres. In days gone by Christianity and during the Biblical era Judaism had their fair share of atrocities. Now, radical Islam has most of them, and "moderate" Islam's condemnations are at best whispers.

Oh oh... you took the dopey "religion of peace" meme, and doubled it down with the even dopier "moderate muslims dont speak out" meme!

When the fact of the matter is muslims have done 50 times as much to fight terrorism as we have, and are also the principle targets of terrorism.

[jbg]

When the fact of the matter is muslims have done 50 times as much to fight terrorism as we have, and are also the principle targets of terrorism.

Maybe they've done alot but not very effectively.

[GostHacked]

Maybe they've done alot but not very effectively.

Even when they do help (ex,. IRAN helping the USA with the Afghan border shortly after 9/11.) you will marginalize the importance of that. Then you scream 'where are the moderate Muslims!!????'. You are willfully ignoring a lot of information that would instantly change your tune.

What about the weekly bombings in Iraq? Any critical thoughts on that?

[bleeding heart]

Further, if a coalition of the most powerful nations on Earth are exacerbating the terrorism problem, it takes a bit of gall to blame "moderate Muslims" for insufficient effectiveness.

[GostHacked]

Further, if a coalition of the most powerful nations on Earth are exacerbating the terrorism problem, it takes a bit of gall to blame "moderate Muslims" for insufficient effectiveness.

Also some hypocrisy in the rhetoric and actions. Taliban bad, but let's negotiate with them anyways. Meanwhile these same entities that want to negotiate with the Taliban are the same ones who will not negotiate with Iran. That will contribute to the insufficient effectiveness.

[Signals.Cpl]

Even when they do help (ex,. IRAN helping the USA with the Afghan border shortly after 9/11.) you will marginalize the importance of that. Then you scream 'where are the moderate Muslims!!????'. You are willfully ignoring a lot of information that would instantly change your tune.

What about the weekly bombings in Iraq? Any critical thoughts on that?

Did you use Iran and moderate muslims in the same though?