Harper invokes Hiltler to fend off Mulcair

[madmax]

I am sorry, but I am laughing to hard to take the Conservatives seriously.

[nittanylionstorm07]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/27/pol-kady-harper-history-storify-ndp.html

Hilarious!

[-TSS-]

I'm disappointed, the title of the thread made me expect another Downfall-clip. They are always very hilarious and witty.

[dre]

Mr. Speaker, I have made myself very clear. Unlike the NDP, we are not going to ideologically have a position regardless of circumstances. The leader of the NDP, in 1939, did not even want to support war against Hitler.

What a retard.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm disappointed, the title of the thread made me expect another Downfall-clip. They are always very hilarious and witty.

[jacee]

What a retard.

Now dre, you know we don't use that word on here.

Proper terminology is important:

Poor sap is painfully socially challenged (twit),

and increasingly politically challenged as well (loooooser).

[mentalfloss]

This is real?

What a complete.. rofl

[Smallc]

Pretty much....I'm guessing his phrasing was off....but still...

[cybercoma]

Stephen Harper

[CPCFTW]

Let me guess.. He should resign?

I'm starting to believe in Shady's Harper derangement syndrome theory.

[madmax]

Let me guess.. He should resign?

No, the Prime Minister shouldn't resign.

I had heard he was funny, I had just never seen it before.

[Topaz]

Harper is losing it, under the pressure from his members, and they are taking the party down towards the bottom with all negative things the front bench is doing, Harper just added to it. What goes up must come down and they are on their way.

[jacee]

Stephen Harper

Self foot shoot in

Oh I'll bet Harper is hissy tonight!

And I'll bet they've used that talking point to nail down their senior vote.

I wonder if some of them are seeing it differently today.

Next poll ... popularity below 20% ?

He's down to his hardcore ... but that usually includes the seniors ...

And I know they also respect the CCF, Tommy Douglas, for their health care.

[huh]

Well, first off the far left, mostly NDP supporters would say the world wars were fought by imperialist and colonial powers, and in fact claim that for example remembrance day is a celebration of imperialism and that everyone who fought and died in those wars did so for nothing, or at least not for what they thought they were fighting for. Ive read that on babble many, many times. Thats up for debate, but it is true that the NDP has at least some of its support from people like that, communists too, whatever, the conservatives no doubt have some support from the very far right. So while i wouldn't say Harper is wrong i was disappointed to here him say that, he did look really off, not himself for whatever reason, maybe the pressure is getting to him, idk. Whatever the reason he had better up his game, Mulcair is no slouch.

[BubberMiley]

I'm starting to believe in Shady's Harper derangement syndrome theory.

This is a sure sign Harper is starting to get to his supporters too. They're not even trying to defend him anymore.

[August1991]

IMV, this is an opening salvo in a potential political war. (And in this salvo, Harper got the better of Mulcair - and Mulcair knows it).

Both the NDP and the CPC have changed their names.

MJ Coldwell, and the CCF, opposed Canada's involvement in WWII.

Score 1 for Harper.

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Once upon a time, I thought that it would be a Dion vs. Harper era. (I wuz wrong.) Rather, we may be entering a Mulcair vs. Harper era.

I reckon that Harper has the political smarts but Mulcair has the regional accent. And Canadian federal politics are not ideology - it's all about region.

Edited April 28, 2012 by August1991

[Jack Weber]

IMV, this is an opening salvo in a potential political war. (And in this salvo, Harper got the better of Mulcair - and Mulcair knows it).

Both the NDP and the CPC have changed their names.

MJ Coldwell, and the CCF, opposed Canada's involvement in WWII.

Score 1 for Harper.

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Once upon a time, I thought that it would be a Dion vs. Harper era. (I wuz wrong.) Rather, we may be entering a Mulcair vs. Harper era.

I reckon that Harper has the political smarts but Mulcair has the regional accent. And Canadian federal politics are not ideology - it's all about region.

Wrongo,Sport..Only J.S. Woodsworth(a true coward) stood against the invasion of Poland and the resulting Declaration of War...The rest of the CCF caucus didn't stand with thier leader...

Score 1 for the historians...

I don't disagree with anything else that you've said,other than the fact that Mr. Mulcair may be a tad smarter than Mr. Harper...

[Evening Star]

Well, first off the far left, mostly NDP supporters would say the world wars were fought by imperialist and colonial powers, and in fact claim that for example remembrance day is a celebration of imperialism and that everyone who fought and died in those wars did so for nothing, or at least not for what they thought they were fighting for. Ive read that on babble many, many times. Thats up for debate, but it is true that the NDP has at least some of its support from people like that, communists too, whatever, the conservatives no doubt have some support from the very far right. So while i wouldn't say Harper is wrong i was disappointed to here him say that, he did look really off, not himself for whatever reason, maybe the pressure is getting to him, idk. Whatever the reason he had better up his game, Mulcair is no slouch.

"The NDP has at least some of its support from people like that" is not exactly the same as saying "the NDP has a pacifist ideology regardless of circumstances and in 1939, the NDP leader did not even want to support the fight against Hitler [even though the party did not exist yet]". I'm sure the Conservatives get "at least some of their support" from raging homophobes and racists but it would not be very fair to say "The Conservative party has a homophobic and racist ideology". You see the difference?

[Evening Star]

Wrongo,Sport..Only J.S. Woodsworth(a true coward) stood against the invasion of Poland and the resulting Declaration of War...The rest of the CCF caucus didn't stand with thier leader...

It wasn't cowardice. It was personal conviction. Woodsworth truly did hold a "pacifistic ideology regardless of circumstances", which he did not impose on his party. (The fact that this is not true of the NDP - A DIFFERENT PARTY FROM THE CCF - is evident right away from their initial support for the Libya mission.)

[The_Squid]

MJ Coldwell, and the CCF, opposed Canada's involvement in WWII.

That's mostly a bunch of BS. The ccf did not oppose Canada's involveme nt in wwII. One member did. Nice try.

The Harperites can attempt to defend their leader, but this was a major faux pas. Invoking Hitler inthe House? Get real. Idiotic.

Edited April 28, 2012 by The_Squid

[August1991]

Wrongo,Sport..Only J.S. Woodsworth(a true coward) stood against the invasion of Poland and the resulting Declaration of War...The rest of the CCF caucus didn't stand with thier leader...

Score 1 for the historians...

I don't disagree with anything else that you've said,other than the fact that Mr. Mulcair may be a tad smarter than Mr. Harper...

I guess you're right:

He split with CCF leader J.S. Woodsworth when World War II broke out in 1939. Woodsworth, a pacifist, opposed the war effort, while Coldwell and the rest of the CCF caucus supported the war, and Coldwell's view was the party's official position.

Wikipedia

But Weber, you lose.

Ordinary Canadians don't care about these finer points of CCF/NDP ideology - except that we have to pay for the debate, while suffering accusations (Quebec-bashing) that our debates also waste time/money.

As my bilingual son says, "Whatever."

[Jack Weber]

I guess you're right:Wikipedia

But Weber, you lose.

Ordinary Canadians don't care about these finer points of CCF/NDP ideology - except that we have to pay for the debate, while suffering accusations (Quebec-bashing) that our debates also waste time/money.

As my bilingual son says, "Whatever."

I don't lose anything at all since I wasn't alive for the debate...Mr. Harper loses because He isn't,quite clearly,a follower of history.Only J.S.Woodsworth voted against Canada's involvement in WW 2.The rest of the "pacifist" CCF voted for the war...

Pacifism is morally bankrupt...Only J.S. Woodsworth failed to realize this...

And only you see this as "Quebec bashing"...

Edited April 28, 2012 by Jack Weber

[The_Squid]

Harper may want to take a lesson from Mackenzie King, the PM at the time, who said "There are few men in this Parliament for whom I have greater respect than the leader of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation. I admire him in my heart, because time and again he has had the courage to say what lays on his conscience, regardless of what the world might think of him. A man of that calibre is an ornament to any Parliament."

Even at the time and the heat of the moment in the middle of a war our PM had the sense and class not to compare his opponents to the Nazis. There is a lesson in there for Harper.... Will he ever have the sense to see it?

[Jack Weber]

It wasn't cowardice. It was personal conviction. Woodsworth truly did hold a "pacifistic ideology regardless of circumstances", which he did not impose on his party. (The fact that this is not true of the NDP - A DIFFERENT PARTY FROM THE CCF - is evident right away from their initial support for the Libya mission.)

Pacifism is morally bankrupt in the face of pure evil...In this case,it is also cowardice...

But I agree,it is totally different from the modern NDP and our Economist in a Tank for a PM should have known better...

[dre]

Let me guess.. He should resign?

I'm starting to believe in Shady's Harper derangement syndrome theory.

Nobody called for him to resign. But he resorted to one of the most stereotypically idiotic and overplayed cards in history. Its not that he should resign its just embarrassing its our top politician saying something so retarded. The fact he would use that tactic suggests he thinks Canadians are stupid people that wouldnt see it for what it is.