Obama vs Romney - POTUS 2012

[betsy]

Oh the innocence of brainwashed children.....

Reminds me of this:

OUR HITLER IS OUR LORD

Edited October 28, 2012 by betsy

[bleeding heart]

Reminds me of this:

OUR HITLER IS OUR LORD

No, it's not even about Obama; it's about sad political hero worship.

People still think of Kennedy and Reagan as Jesus Returns parts 1&2.

[betsy]

Reminds me of this:

OUR HITLER IS OUR LORD

Come to think, how coincidental.

Under Obama, USA is headed down towards a God-less national socialism - a page from the nazi's political doctrine!

[bleeding heart]

Under Obama, USA is headed down towards a God-less national socialism - a page from the nazi's political doctrine!

The Nazis were a right-wing phenemenon (as neo-nazis are too...just go read their conversations at Stormfront, and bask in the conservatism).

If anything, the paranoid conspiracists should be worried about Soviet-style totalitarianism...save the Nazi fears for a Republican administration.

[betsy]

The Nazis were a right-wing phenemenon (as neo-nazis are too...just go read their conversations at Stormfront, and bask in the conservatism).

If anything, the paranoid conspiracists should be worried about Soviet-style totalitarianism...save the Nazi fears for a Republican administration.

Right-wing, left-wing - labels doesn't matter. It's about the doctrine.

[bleeding heart]

Right-wing, left-wing - labels doesn't matter. It's about the doctrine.

Labels don't matter?

First of all, I'm inclined to agree, at least somewhat...but I was responding to your claims.

You're the one who claimed they were heading into "National Socialist" territory.

Further, I bet you've never in your life worried about a right-wing regime doing such a thing (as if such a thing wouldn't, hasn't, occurred)...because to you, it is all about "the left,"...it is all about the labels.

[betsy]

Labels don't matter?

First of all, I'm inclined to agree, at least somewhat...but I was responding to your claims.

You're the one who claimed they were heading into "National Socialist" territory.

Further, I bet you've never in your life worried about a right-wing regime doing such a thing (as if such a thing wouldn't, hasn't, occurred)...because to you, it is all about "the left,"...it is all about the labels.

Doctrine.

[bleeding heart]

Bone splints.

[cybercoma]

Romney's 5 point plan is the same as McCain's in 2008 and the same as Bush's in 2004 that got America into the mess that it's in.

http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romneys-5-point-plan-plan-mccain-08-bush-04.html

[-TSS-]

If any president helps to create a society where religion does not play as big a role as it still does in the USA then that president is worth all the support he gets. Unfortunately, such a president is still somewhere there in the future.

[bush_cheney2004]

gumelection.com

<Offensive image with racial slur has been subsequently removed >

This image contains a racial slur against both candidates scrawled above "VOTE WITH YOUR GUM". It is exactly the kind of mischief that embedded photos permits as a way around forum rules.

Edited October 29, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

If any president helps to create a society where religion does not play as big a role as it still does in the USA then that president is worth all the support he gets. Unfortunately, such a president is still somewhere there in the future.

Why is that unfortunate for you?

[msj]

This image contains a racial slur against both candidates scrawled above "VOTE WITH YOUR GUM". It is exactly the kind of mischief that embedded photos permits as a way around forum rules.

So? Then report it.

[bleeding heart]

This image contains a racial slur against both candidates scrawled above "VOTE WITH YOUR GUM". It is exactly the kind of mischief that embedded photos permits as a way around forum rules.

"Mischief" demands intent...and I seriously doubt that Cybercoma was slyly channeling his inner Stormfront enthusiast.

[bush_cheney2004]

"Mischief" demands intent...and I seriously doubt that Cybercoma was slyly channeling his inner Stormfront enthusiast.

Irrelevant...does the image conform with forum rules or not ? Why would one member get a pass for "intent" while others do not?

[msj]

Given that we are not sure when/if Michael has seen it yet and if/when he needs to deliberate on such matters I think this is much ado 'bout nothing.

When I saw the picture I did not even notice the racial slur as it is faint.

Once again, report it if it's a problem for you.

[bleeding heart]

Irrelevant...does the image conform with forum rules or not ? Why would one member get a pass for "intent" while others do not?

As I said, I was only responding to the word "mischief" and what it plainly implies. The rest is a separate discussion.

[bush_cheney2004]

Given that we are not sure when/if Michael has seen it yet and if/when he needs to deliberate on such matters I think this is much ado 'bout nothing.

I don't care if "Michael" sees it or not, as he is not a forum moderator.

When I saw the picture I did not even notice the racial slur as it is faint.

OK...I guess "faint" racial slurs are OK in your book.

Once again, report it if it's a problem for you.

How do you know this wasn't reported long ago ?

[msj]

I don't care if "Michael" sees it or not, as he is not a forum moderator.

Sure, whatever.

OK...I guess "faint" racial slurs are OK in your book.

To the extent that it is faint means that not everyone will have noticed it and were, therefore, unaware of its presence.

In fact, I think it is possible that cybercoma posted that picture being unaware of the slur.

How do you know this wasn't reported long ago ?

Well, I hope you reported it as soon as you saw it and have given us this nice break of, oh, what? 21 hours before taking the thread OT with this whining.

Had I noticed it I probably would have PM'd CC on it to see about removing it (or editing the picture to take the slur out).

Failing that, yes, after a period of time expecting him to edit his own post, I think it is appropriate to report it.

No, I don't think the amount of time that has passed here (over a Saturday and Sunday) is proof of anything (other than Greg may not be around as he may have a life?).

Edited October 28, 2012 by msj

[bush_cheney2004]

To the extent that it is faint means that not everyone will have noticed it and were, therefore, unaware of its presence.

In fact, I think it is possible that cybercoma posted that picture being unaware of the slur.

I do not pretend to know the motivations of other members. The original post remains despite the racial slur being highlighted today.

Well, I hope you reported it as soon as you saw it and have given us this nice break of, oh, what? 21 hours before taking the thread OT with this whining.

Racial slurs against 2012 U.S. presidential candidates is most certainly on topic.

Had I noticed it I probably would have PM'd CC on it to see about removing it (or editing the picture to take the slur out).

You didn't... and I don't PM other members thank you very much. I pointed out the slur earlier today for all to see.

Failing that, yes, after a period of time expecting him to edit his own post, I think it is appropriate to report it.

Way ahead of you on that course of action.

No, I don't think the amount of time that has passed here (over a Saturday and Sunday) is proof of anything (other than Greg may not be around as he may have a life?).

But you deferred this action to "Michael" above...oh...nevermind.

[msj]

I do not pretend to know the motivations of other members. The original post remains despite the racial slur being highlighted today.

Why highlight it if you have already reported it?

This is a weekend, you know. Not everyone is on BC2004 time. Do you snap your fingers like Romney, too?

You didn't... and I don't PM other members thank you very much. I pointed out the slur earlier today for all to see.

Yes, and who knows who, exactly, has seen it.

If Michael has he may be trying to moderate this for all we know. Although you say he is not the forum moderator so who knows.

Way ahead of you on that course of action.

So why the need to highlight it?

But you deferred this action to "Michael" above...oh...nevermind.

I deferred to Michael because I thought he may play a part in all of this. I do not know the process for moderation and discipline.

Once again, if you see something then report it.

It's then up to them (Greg/whoever) to take whatever action they think is suitable.

The timing of it may not be swift for a variety or reasons (they are out having fun, they have a life, a death in the family etc).

BFD.

Edited October 28, 2012 by msj

[bush_cheney2004]

Why highlight it if you have already reported it?

This is a weekend, you know. Not everyone is on BC2004 time. Do you snap your fingers like Romney, too?

Making me the bad guy will not work as a diversion for the subject post/image. I leave the rest to this forum's moderators, not your opinion.

[msj]

Making me the bad guy will not work as a diversion for the subject post/image. I leave the rest to this forum's moderators, not your opinion.

Um, notice the little ? It was a joke bringing my little post back on topic.

Ok, perhaps a bad joke. But there it is.

Anyway, yes, I see CC is following this thread, therefore he ought to know about the slur in the image and he has had more than enough time to edit his post.

He hasn't so throw the book at him.

[Guest American Woman]

When I saw the picture I did not even notice the racial slur as it is faint.

For the record, it's not faint on my laptop - it shows up quite clearly.

As a side note, I find the whole "vote with your gum" scenario rather gross.

Edited October 28, 2012 by American Woman

[Rue]

It is unfortunate the Bush Romney election is side tracked time and time again with ridiculous arguements. So I will address this to American Woman the only person I think has any semblance of sanity left on this forum and noted Yank Bush-Chaney.

You can appreciate as a Canadian I respect absolutely the right of Americans to pick their own leader and hope everyone votes and realizes your vote is a privilege the majority of the world will never enjoy and was won at the price of many brave lives.

That said when I express my opinion its only to debate but I do not presume to tell you Yanks a thing. Its your business.,

I personaly find it incredible Romney could last this long. He is the only politician I know who has NO platform and no positions and people are fine with that. I can't believe it. Yah yah,,some plan that he'll only create it after he's elected. So everyone is supposed to sign a blank cheque?

Wow. Talk about insanity.

For me I am amazed at the amount of coded references to Obama being black, i.e., the not so subtle references about his being a foreigner, a Muslim, a Kenyan, an illegal. I am amazed at the number of references to his being suspect because he has Hussein as his middle name and he's portrayed as a communist because of his stand on medicare.

In Canada we call Stephen Harper a right wing conservative and yet he supports medicare and not tearing it down and he supports gun control-two things that if he did in the states he would be called a communist for doing.

Here we have Harper who most refer to as a fiscal conservative and his make works projects are exactly the same thing Obama is doing yet arper is not called a commie like Obama.

I do not get Americans that way. Romney says in a debate he does not trust government just big business but this is a country that because of lack of regulations saw a bank collapse and then wtached as BP Oil created a collosal environmental disaster and if it wasn't for Obama's intervention with stiff government regulations requiring they compensate millions of Americans, they would have walked away.

This is a country of supposed wealth and yet people die in the streets from preventable diseases brought on by exposure to cimate and lack of food and people who are poor or unemployed are referred to as takers.

Cities of thousands of homeless and Romney's solution is to give his less than 2% of the richest people a tax break claiming they will then throw bread crumbs to the masses and people buy that patronizing rich man talk?

This is a man born into a trust fund who was the talking head of a company whose existence was based on hostile takeovers, putting thousands out of work, then reselling these companies and only paymng 14% on his profits and you call him in touch with the average person out there? This is a man who has been taking his life savings and amassing it offshore and won't disclose it but has his not so subtle followers demand Obama disclose his transcripts from school?

Here's a man in 2012 who endorses candidates that believe women who are raped must go full term and believes homosexuals engage in sinful behaviour? That is what Americans want?

I can understand fully Americans saying they reject Obama economic policies. I get it. I do not get the racist comments. I also do not get the phobia about medical insurance for seniors or this preoccupation about the poor ripping off the government. I do not get it , I do not get how some Americans think the way to deal with the poor is to dismiss them and pretend they do not exist and have no legitimate rights if they do not work or make sufficient money.

I do not get the idea that unemployed Americans are somehow evil and inferior. I think for Romneyt to call Obama divisive while saying he has written off 47% of Americans is the height of hypocracy.

Now finally I detest those saying Obama is not friendly enough to Israel.Joe Biden was and remains a great ally of Israel and was rudely and unjustly snubbed by Netanyahu causing Obama to avoid going there and I do not blame him.The Israeli opposition was enraged with Netenyahu's treatment of Joe Biden and many of us who support Israel including Israelis find Netanyahu's go it alone confrontatiomnal approach to foreign relations counter- productive.

I believe Netanyahu failed miserably to take advantage of alliance offers from Obama and the former French President and humiliated them both. I agree with Tzipi Levni's concise criticism of his foreign policy and alienation of badly needed allies.

I am not worried if Obama is relected. I do not think he is anti Israeli. I do think his Middle East advisor zbigniew Brezinski is and is an outdated cold war anti Russian menace, I also believe if Hilary Clinton quits a vacuum opens but I believe Israel is not afraid of Obama and knows he is dealing with prickly bully in Netanyahu. I also believe beneath all the posturing Obama and Netanyahu will work together.

I think if Romney is elected Netanyahu will be happy but I can't see foreign policy changing,Obama is upfront.Romney is less than straightforward , The majority of his supporters are against any intervention with Iran. Right of left, Americans do not want a war.

Israel is on its own. Always has bee. As good an ally as the US is, it has its own interests that conflict with Israel's. That is only normal.

I believe Americans demo or repub for the most part are good friends of Israel unlike many other nations. They have a right to disagree and that disagreement is healthy. Its needed. You need your friends to tell you what they think not what you want to hear.

I am a person who has followed American history and my favourite Pres was Truman, than FDR, than Eisenhower. I liked Clinton against for his policies with China. I obviously would be a democrat as an American but I Iiked Colin Powell and McCain who are Republicans and Eisenhower.

Sure I worry about the US. If you guys have a bad collapse so goes the Canadian economy far too dependent on the US.

I think the whole world will hold its breath and will be relieved if the status quo continues. Sometimes change in a world racked by it, is unwelcome.

I do not doubt Obama has made mistakes but I hope his people give him a second chance.

In any event I wish you Yanks well and hope for positive things and continued world leadership from the U.S.

Edited October 28, 2012 by Rue