Boges Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Call it want you want but it's a tax. How many people in this province drive? I thought there were going to be no new taxes. By Lee GreenbergMired in a $16-billion deficit and facing an uncertain financial future, Ontario is turning to consumers to help it dig out of trouble. The province announced Tuesday it will raise a range of driver fees, including licence validation, renewals, replacement, driver exam fees, trailer permits, as well as a range of other fees for commercial vehicles. Licence-plate renewals will rise to $98 within the next three years, a 33% increase over the current $74 charged in southern Ontario (northern residents are charged a lower rate that will rise by the same percentage). Those rates will rise to $82 on Sept. 1, officials said, and then again each year after until they reach $98 in 2015. Transportation Minister Bob Chiarelli said the higher fees are a “thoughtful” choice that will help eliminate the deficit and help keep roads and bridges in good shape. Mr. Chiarelli said Ontario’s drivers’ fees are among the lowest in Canada, and will continue to be middle of the pack, even after the increases. So this money is going to infrastructure Mr. McGuinty? http://ogca.ca/pulling-back-on-infrastructure-spending-shortsighted/ Cancelling any future infrastructure spending programs in Ontario is shortsighted and will have a devastating impact on province’s economic recovery, says Ontario General Contractor Association President Clive Thurston.Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty recently warned leaders at the Rural Ontario Municipalities Association convention that the provincial government “chose not to move forward this year with a new permanent fund for roads and bridges with the federal government. “I have to support our economic advantage – the skills and education of our people – and sacrifice the infrastructure fund,” McGuinty said during his speech Monday in Toronto. “Premier McGuinty’s statement, if it is followed through with policy direction in the upcoming budget, brings into question the province’s stated commitment to a 10-year infrastructure investment plan,” says OGCA President Clive Thurston. “If this happens, we will have lost some of the cylinders of the economic engine that has been helping to drive Ontario’s recovery. Cancelling of infrastructure-specific programs will stall any momentum we have been building. It is more than a step backwards. This is stepping on the accelerator with the engine in reverse.” Huh? This new reveue from license levies is going into general revenue. Oh and how about this? http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/13/liberals-spinning-the-horse-manure In a nasty piece of spin, Education Minister Laurel Broten sent out a release slamming the horse-racing industry and PC leader Tim Hudak.“We simply can’t afford to support the $345 million-a-year horse-racing subsidies started by the Hudak PCs. Not when the same amount of money could get better health care for our seniors, and full-day kindergarten for our four and five year olds,” said the release. She said Hudak’s defending, “a few wealthy race-track owners, while seniors and kindergarten students are left in the dust.” What a pile of horse manure! It's a bold face lie. They aren't taking money from all-day kindergarten and putting it into the pocket of racetrack owners. They are sharing slot revenue and that money creates jobs. People are going to be jumping off this Titanic of a Province fast. Edited March 14, 2012 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Call it want you want but it's a tax. How many people in this province drive? I thought there were going to be no new taxes. So this money is going to infrastructure Mr. McGuinty? http://ogca.ca/pulling-back-on-infrastructure-spending-shortsighted/ Huh? This new reveue from license levies is going into general revenue. Oh and how about this? http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/13/liberals-spinning-the-horse-manure It's a bold face lie. They aren't taking money from all-day kindergarten and putting it into the pocket of racetrack owners. They are sharing slot revenue and that money creates jobs. People are going to be jumping off this Titanic of a Province fast. Perhaps the opposition should force an election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Who knew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Fees =/= Taxes At least according to politicians. Politicians of all parties. Liberal, Tory, NDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalfloss Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) A fee is not a tax. Taxes are usually a percentage of something whereas fees are typically lump sums. Edited March 15, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 A fee is not a tax. Taxes are usually a percentage of something whereas fees are typically lump sums. So that makes it OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 What makes it ok is that Ontario has one of the lowest registration fees in the country, even with the increase. What I want to know is when the governments across the country will get rid of these invasive vehicle registrations. Why must they make criminals out of drivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 What I want to know is when the governments across the country will get rid of these invasive vehicle registrations. Why must they make criminals out of drivers? Drivers are evil. We should all use the public transit that is inconvenient for a vast majority of people in Ontario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalfloss Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) So that makes it OK It proves he's not a liar. Edited March 16, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 It proves he's not a liar. I'd venture a guess that you also wouldn't oppose a healthy income and/or sales tax hike right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Call it want you want but it's a tax. How many people in this province drive? I thought there were going to be no new taxes. So this money is going to infrastructure Mr. McGuinty? http://ogca.ca/pulling-back-on-infrastructure-spending-shortsighted/ Huh? This new reveue from license levies is going into general revenue. Oh and how about this? http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/13/liberals-spinning-the-horse-manure It's a bold face lie. They aren't taking money from all-day kindergarten and putting it into the pocket of racetrack owners. They are sharing slot revenue and that money creates jobs. People are going to be jumping off this Titanic of a Province fast. Dalton McGuinty is a liar. He says that we need to freeze young teachers on the pay grid... To pay for a 30% tuition cut that isn't retroactive. These young teachers have loads of student debt after 5-6 years of education. They are now being told F-U. While I do see a need to freeze wages, taking it out on the current young working generation can't always be the solution. If you are going to freeze the young workers on the grid, at least make the student tuition payment partially retroactive. Edited March 16, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Dalton needs to make huge cuts, to fund his agenda. He's not actually cutting to save money. This key point needs to be recognized publicly. His slogan should have been "bleeding ontario forward"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Dalton needs to make huge cuts, to fund his agenda. That's why All-Day Day Care ERRRRRRRRR Kindergarten is untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLDB Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I'm indifferent, but I don't drive. Even without these fees vehicles are way too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 That's why All-Day Day Care ERRRRRRRRR Kindergarten is untouchable. Why are we even funding that now? We've gotten along just fine without it for so long. Maybe try to balance the budget first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Dalton McGuinty is a Liar! I've always considered this along the lines of Sun to rise again Tomorrow Sky blue, says scientist 100% agree, Water is wet Pope Catholic; shocking! Or perhaps Rocket Scientist performs Brain Surgery on thousands, calls result "politicians" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I've always considered this along the lines of Or perhaps Dalton McGuinty is a Liar.. Shocking..who knew... The Pope is Catholic... I gotta get out more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) The truthful politician doesn't exist for long. They don't win elections. McGuinty defies logic in how he wins. Edited March 19, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 The truthful politician doesn't exist for long. They don't win elections. McGuinty defies logic in how he wins. Is this your justification for what McGuinty is doing here? Lying is just another term for pragmatism in your eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Mc Guinty is going to be gone in the next election and that could be sooner rather than later, depending on the upcoming budget. Perhaps he's taking a page from Harper, tell people what they want to hear and if you break your word, its okay, you're still stay in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 What makes McGuinty's new fee/tax plan even worse, is that it hits middle and lower income earners disproportionately high. As does his failed energy plan. He's bascially a middle class wrecking ball, ironically defended by the so-called pro-middle class posters in this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Mc Guinty is going to be gone in the next election and that could be sooner rather than later, depending on the upcoming budget. Perhaps he's taking a page from Harper, tell people what they want to hear and if you break your word, its okay, you're still stay in power. Andrea Horvath has come out against the OLG plans so has the big Unions, CAW and OPSEU (friends of McGuinty) If he's stubborn about his plans he'll certainly be going to the polls again soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Is this your justification for what McGuinty is doing here? Lying is just another term for pragmatism in your eyes? Nope. We should have elected PC this past round. Dalton didn't deserve re-election in any right. Hudak screwed up his marketing of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Nope. We should have elected PC this past round. Dalton didn't deserve re-election in any right. Hudak screwed up his marketing of himself. I guess so, I personally thought he didn't do enough to distinguish himself from the status quo. I think, seeing how reckless McGuinty and Co, are being with the Provincial government a few months after the election could mean another election, which we certainly can't afford. If they refuse to make any compromises in this coming budget the opposition will have no choice but to bring this government down. I'm hoping the NDP doesn't back down. Knowing the leader is from Hamilton and part of their base is in Windsor both are communities that could see very bad things come out of the provinces OLG plan hopefully would mean they'd stand with the PCs against the OLP on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) I guess so, I personally thought he didn't do enough to distinguish himself from the status quo. I think, seeing how reckless McGuinty and Co, are being with the Provincial government a few months after the election could mean another election, which we certainly can't afford. If they refuse to make any compromises in this coming budget the opposition will have no choice but to bring this government down. I'm hoping the NDP doesn't back down. Knowing the leader is from Hamilton and part of their base is in Windsor both are communities that could see very bad things come out of the provinces OLG plan hopefully would mean they'd stand with the PCs against the OLP on this issue. Liberal support is insanely rising. They have been attracting the support of the moderate right with all of this talk of cuts. They polled at close the 40% in the last nanos poll, higher than the election. I'm not saying that the PC's had the best platform. But, when you know a government is incompetent, you don't vote them back in. You take a risk on someone else. For some reason, we'd rather stick with known incompetence... than unknown risk. Edited March 21, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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