cybercoma Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 President Obama won't sign the bills into law, but it'sa gonna cost him: EXCLUSIVE: Internet sites on their SOPAStrike may be conducting a blackout but Hollywood studios are conducting a boycott. I’ve learned that Hollywood studio chiefs individually and as a group are drawing a line in the sand on the piracy issue with the Obama re-election campaign and refusing to give any more donations. The blowup came after President Obama on Saturday dashed moguls’ hopes that he would remain on the sidelines in the dispute over the U.S. House Of Representatives’ Stop Online Piracy Act and the U.S. Senate’s Protect IP Act. http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusive-hollywood-moguls-stopping-obama-donations-because-of-administrations-piracy-stand/ I hope this is true. That will pretty much seal his victory. He'll be seen as the underdog again, fighting corporate greed and their attack on people's liberties. It will be a $#!+ storm... Tea Party voters would even support him. Ok, maybe not that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 With all the fuss now, there is virtually no way these bills will be passed. They are horrible bills trying to address a legit problem...just not in a smart/fair way. Even if made law there's a decent chance they'd go to Supreme Court (or what have you) over free speech protests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Unfortunately it's likely only a matter of time before the republicans push something like this trough. Wrong. This is a Democratic bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Wrong. This is a Democratic bill. SOPA => introduced in the House as H.R. 3261 by Lamar Smith (Republican - Texas) on October 26, 2011 PIPA => introduced in the Senate as S.968 by Patrick Leahy (Democrat - Vermont) on May 12, 2011 you're welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple_leafs182 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35qxm8/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Wrong. This is a Democratic bill. There are two Bills in the title. Typical to lazy to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 SOPA => introduced in the House as H.R. 3261 by Lamar Smith (Republican - Texas) on October 26, 2011 PIPA => introduced in the Senate as S.968 by Patrick Leahy (Democrat - Vermont) on May 12, 2011 you're welcome Over the years, Senator (I think former Senator) Hollings, DEemocrat, South Dakota has been the push behind the bill. Also note the Leahy bill came alot earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Over the years, Senator (I think former Senator) Hollings, DEemocrat, South Dakota has been the push behind the bill. Also note the Leahy bill came alot earlier. Yah ok just the facts not your made up opinions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) There are two Bills in the title. Typical to lazy to read. Typical, too lazy to spell and use punctuation. Edited January 19, 2012 by sharkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Typical, too lazy to spell and use punctuation. Ahhhh I see we have lost the argument so we have tried to derail the thread. Again we were talking about SOPA and PIPA the Bills written by REPUBLICANS and Democrats which are a terrible idea sharkman. Try to sick with us ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ahhhh I see we have lost the argument so we have tried to derail the thread. Again we were talking about SOPA and PIPA the Bills written by REPUBLICANS and Democrats which are a terrible idea sharkman. Try to sick with us ok? You want me to be sick with you? Thank you, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) You want me to be sick with you? Thank you, no. While I am sick the thread is about that REPUBLICAN SOPA bill. You know the one you know nothing about. Like most things eh? Edited January 19, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Why am I posting here? I am just curious if anyone here actually supports these bills and has a legitimate argument to back them up. I don't know about a legitimate argument but I fail to see why there wouldn't be more than a few supporters. I posted about the threat to net neutrality a few years ago and all I got for my troubles was the typical broadside accusation of being a lefty who hated our freedoms and wanted everything for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I don't know about a legitimate argument but I fail to see why there wouldn't be more than a few supporters. I posted about the threat to net neutrality a few years ago and all I got for my troubles was the typical broadside accusation of being a lefty who hated our freedoms and wanted everything for free. Funny how that happens. YOU ARE CRAZY !!! Then they say .. you were right!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 While I am sick the thread is about that REPUBLICAN SOPA bill. You know the one you know nothing about. Like most things eh? So I guess with you the PIPA bill doesn't count, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 So I guess with you the PIPA bill doesn't count, eh? Nope it counts you might look back in this very thread where I say Democrats are just as at fault. I know reading is hard sometimes but you can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Nope it counts you might look back in this very thread where I say Democrats are just as at fault. I know reading is hard sometimes but you can do it. Yes, it was by reading that I observed you were wrong on ony mentioning SOPA. You need to type the extra 4 letters so members know you are not making yet another typing error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yes, it was by reading that I observed you were wrong on ony mentioning SOPA. You need to type the extra 4 letters so members know you are not making yet another typing error. I was just pointing out after you were very very very wrong about what parties were supporting these legislations you got off topic because you had no response to how wrong you were. I was trying to bring you back to the original ideas of the thread instead of you focusing on typos. BTW whats a ony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ony, I knew that sooner or later I'd leave a hanging curve ball for you! So you are really sick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ony, I knew that sooner or later I'd leave a hanging curve ball for you! So you are really sick? Yah got the flu which is why I have been around all day. Sucks my friend sucks. Anyway lets agree you support these bills and I think they are crap and leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Well, I support the idea of some kind of regulation, but these bills are poor attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Well, I support the idea of some kind of regulation, but these bills are poor attempts. Ok then here is a question for you, do you think current copyright law out side of how it deals with the Internet is out of date? Do you think it is ok things never enter the public domain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Ok then here is a question for you, do you think current copyright law out side of how it deals with the Internet is out of date? Do you think it is ok things never enter the public domain? Do you think all private property should eventually enter the public domain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Do you think all private property should eventually enter the public domain? No but all intellectual property should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I do support the need to protect intellectual property. The "information superhighway" as it used to be called gives people the ability to share material that is protected by copyright, such as music. What we need rather than shutting down is a mechanism that "opens up", ie. allows artists or authors of copyright material to benefit from the sharing that takes place. This would still allow sharing and actually benefit the author by giving them more diverse sources of income. One way to do that might be through ISP's. The decision on whether sharing of the material is illegal or not should be based on the question of a harm principle. If someone writes an excellent op-ed and you post part of it in a forum, along with a link to the source page there is no harm done, the author is still credited. Now it might be that they get some kind of income when people visit their page, by the advertisements they show and there should be some way to address this. Again without shutting down the information. Because on the one hand people who read the clipped article are not necessarily visiting the authors site, but the author does still benefit by having his/ her info distributed to a wider audience. And that helps promote their reputation, and possibly increase the number of "hits" on their page. If I post an excerpt from a CNN page along with a link, I am referencing their information very similarly to when scientific papers make reference to other articles. Those rules should be looked at in considering a model for protection of intellectual property on the internet. Edited January 20, 2012 by Manny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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