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President Obama won't sign the bills into law, but it'sa gonna cost him:

EXCLUSIVE: Internet sites on their SOPAStrike may be conducting a blackout but Hollywood studios are conducting a boycott. I’ve learned that Hollywood studio chiefs individually and as a group are drawing a line in the sand on the piracy issue with the Obama re-election campaign and refusing to give any more donations. The blowup came after President Obama on Saturday dashed moguls’ hopes that he would remain on the sidelines in the dispute over the U.S. House Of Representatives’ Stop Online Piracy Act and the U.S. Senate’s Protect IP Act.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusive-hollywood-moguls-stopping-obama-donations-because-of-administrations-piracy-stand/

I hope this is true. That will pretty much seal his victory. He'll be seen as the underdog again, fighting corporate greed and their attack on people's liberties. It will be a $#!+ storm... Tea Party voters would even support him. Ok, maybe not that far.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson

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With all the fuss now, there is virtually no way these bills will be passed. They are horrible bills trying to address a legit problem...just not in a smart/fair way. Even if made law there's a decent chance they'd go to Supreme Court (or what have you) over free speech protests.

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

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Unfortunately it's likely only a matter of time before the republicans push something like this trough.

Wrong. This is a Democratic bill.
  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

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Wrong. This is a Democratic bill.

SOPA => introduced in the House as H.R. 3261 by Lamar Smith (Republican - Texas) on October 26, 2011

PIPA => introduced in the Senate as S.968 by Patrick Leahy (Democrat - Vermont) on May 12, 2011

you're welcome

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SOPA => introduced in the House as H.R. 3261 by Lamar Smith (Republican - Texas) on October 26, 2011

PIPA => introduced in the Senate as S.968 by Patrick Leahy (Democrat - Vermont) on May 12, 2011

you're welcome

Over the years, Senator (I think former Senator) Hollings, DEemocrat, South Dakota has been the push behind the bill. Also note the Leahy bill came alot earlier.
  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

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Over the years, Senator (I think former Senator) Hollings, DEemocrat, South Dakota has been the push behind the bill. Also note the Leahy bill came alot earlier.

Yah ok just the facts not your made up opinions please.

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Typical, too lazy to spell and use punctuation.

Ahhhh I see we have lost the argument so we have tried to derail the thread. Again we were talking about SOPA and PIPA the Bills written by REPUBLICANS and Democrats which are a terrible idea sharkman. Try to sick with us ok?

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Ahhhh I see we have lost the argument so we have tried to derail the thread. Again we were talking about SOPA and PIPA the Bills written by REPUBLICANS and Democrats which are a terrible idea sharkman. Try to sick with us ok?

You want me to be sick with you? Thank you, no.

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You want me to be sick with you? Thank you, no.

While I am sick the thread is about that REPUBLICAN SOPA bill. You know the one you know nothing about. Like most things eh?

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Why am I posting here? I am just curious if anyone here actually supports these bills and has a legitimate argument to back them up.

I don't know about a legitimate argument but I fail to see why there wouldn't be more than a few supporters.

I posted about the threat to net neutrality a few years ago and all I got for my troubles was the typical broadside accusation of being a lefty who hated our freedoms and wanted everything for free.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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I don't know about a legitimate argument but I fail to see why there wouldn't be more than a few supporters.

I posted about the threat to net neutrality a few years ago and all I got for my troubles was the typical broadside accusation of being a lefty who hated our freedoms and wanted everything for free.

Funny how that happens. YOU ARE CRAZY !!! Then they say .. you were right!!

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While I am sick the thread is about that REPUBLICAN SOPA bill. You know the one you know nothing about. Like most things eh?

So I guess with you the PIPA bill doesn't count, eh?

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So I guess with you the PIPA bill doesn't count, eh?

Nope it counts you might look back in this very thread where I say Democrats are just as at fault. I know reading is hard sometimes but you can do it.

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Nope it counts you might look back in this very thread where I say Democrats are just as at fault. I know reading is hard sometimes but you can do it.

Yes, it was by reading that I observed you were wrong on ony mentioning SOPA. You need to type the extra 4 letters so members know you are not making yet another typing error.

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Yes, it was by reading that I observed you were wrong on ony mentioning SOPA. You need to type the extra 4 letters so members know you are not making yet another typing error.

I was just pointing out after you were very very very wrong about what parties were supporting these legislations you got off topic because you had no response to how wrong you were. I was trying to bring you back to the original ideas of the thread instead of you focusing on typos.

BTW whats a ony?

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Ony, I knew that sooner or later I'd leave a hanging curve ball for you!

So you are really sick?

Yah got the flu which is why I have been around all day. Sucks my friend sucks.

Anyway lets agree you support these bills and I think they are crap and leave it at that.

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Well, I support the idea of some kind of regulation, but these bills are poor attempts.

Ok then here is a question for you, do you think current copyright law out side of how it deals with the Internet is out of date? Do you think it is ok things never enter the public domain?

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Ok then here is a question for you, do you think current copyright law out side of how it deals with the Internet is out of date? Do you think it is ok things never enter the public domain?

Do you think all private property should eventually enter the public domain?

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Do you think all private property should eventually enter the public domain?

No but all intellectual property should.

I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger

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I do support the need to protect intellectual property. The "information superhighway" as it used to be called gives people the ability to share material that is protected by copyright, such as music. What we need rather than shutting down is a mechanism that "opens up", ie. allows artists or authors of copyright material to benefit from the sharing that takes place. This would still allow sharing and actually benefit the author by giving them more diverse sources of income. One way to do that might be through ISP's.

The decision on whether sharing of the material is illegal or not should be based on the question of a harm principle. If someone writes an excellent op-ed and you post part of it in a forum, along with a link to the source page there is no harm done, the author is still credited. Now it might be that they get some kind of income when people visit their page, by the advertisements they show and there should be some way to address this. Again without shutting down the information. Because on the one hand people who read the clipped article are not necessarily visiting the authors site, but the author does still benefit by having his/ her info distributed to a wider audience. And that helps promote their reputation, and possibly increase the number of "hits" on their page.

If I post an excerpt from a CNN page along with a link, I am referencing their information very similarly to when scientific papers make reference to other articles. Those rules should be looked at in considering a model for protection of intellectual property on the internet.

Edited by Manny

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