and the cuts begin....Federal workers

[Topaz]

Things will probably really heat up when the Fed. workers start losing their jobs and one group is under Tony Clements. Harper hired many of them when he took over and now many of them and others are about to go to EI. Anyone trying to get on EI or is on EI is having problems getting someone on the phone, since Findley thinks its better to go computer and voice. When these workers are no longer working, the government's revenues will go to and what are they going to go for the lost income....to the mint and print? http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Unions%2Bbrace%2Btens%2Bthousands%2Bcuts%2Bpublic%2Bservice/5798272/story.html

[Boges]

Things will probably really heat up when the Fed. workers start losing their jobs and one group is under Tony Clements. Harper hired many of them when he took over and now many of them and others are about to go to EI. Anyone trying to get on EI or is on EI is having problems getting someone on the phone, since Findley thinks its better to go computer and voice. When these workers are no longer working, the government's revenues will go to and what are they going to go for the lost income....to the mint and print? http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Unions%2Bbrace%2Btens%2Bthousands%2Bcuts%2Bpublic%2Bservice/5798272/story.html

This story annoys me. They should be happy they still have a job but now they're being petulant babies and not doing their job because they think they are over-worked.

[Moonbox]

Topaz you really need to pick your battles. Just the other day you were fussing about how the conservatives were running the biggest government and the biggest deficits, but now you're wetting your bed because they're making cuts. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you throw a tantrum either way???

[Michael Hardner]

This story annoys me. They should be happy they still have a job but now they're being petulant babies and not doing their job because they think they are over-worked.

I didn't see anyone making that comment. I think they're worried about losing their jobs most likely.

[Shwa]

Things will probably really heat up when the Fed. workers start losing their jobs and one group is under Tony Clements. Harper hired many of them when he took over and now many of them and others are about to go to EI. Anyone trying to get on EI or is on EI is having problems getting someone on the phone, since Findley thinks its better to go computer and voice. When these workers are no longer working, the government's revenues will go to and what are they going to go for the lost income....to the mint and print? http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Unions%2Bbrace%2Btens%2Bthousands%2Bcuts%2Bpublic%2Bservice/5798272/story.html

"There has been a massive growth in the government" over the past five years, Page noted. "There will have to be job impacts."

Over the past 5 years? Why... that was during the government of...{wait for it} Prime Minister Harper! No kidding. He swelled the ranks for 5 years and now is slashing them back again. Pul-lease. That is one of the oldest political tricks in the book and, considering that more than tens of thousands of PS workers are nearing retirement age, I think the "low-hanging fruit" is pretty obvious.

Interestingly enough this is an old strategy and likely nicked directly from the LPC playbook. The Chretien Government also did large PS cuts including the practice of offering retirement incentives to staff nearing retirement ageso they could make their targets.

[Topaz]

Topaz you really need to pick your battles. Just the other day you were fussing about how the conservatives were running the biggest government and the biggest deficits, but now you're wetting your bed because they're making cuts. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you throw a tantrum either way???

Wait a minute. First of all, Harper goes out and hires a bunch of Fed.workers and says jobs are up! Then when the economy starts to slow, then fire them all! When is HE going to downsize his own cabinet also, that is were the money is, especially with the gold-plated pensions that WE own and pay for! As a matter of fact, I like to know what this Tory party is going to give up to save money??

[Boges]

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Õðîìîâà îáúÿñíèò ìåõàíèçì ÷òåíèÿ è âîñïðèÿòèÿ ïðî÷èòàííîãî, ïîäñêàæåò, êàê ñòàòü ïî-íàñòîÿùåìó ãðàìîòíûì ÷èòàòåëåì è óñïåøíåå ïëûòü â ìîðå ñîâðåìåííîé ïå÷àòíîé ïðîäóêöèè.

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ñêà÷àòü ïàò÷ äëÿ âàð êðàôòà 21.22

I agree.

[Moonlight Graham]

Wait a minute. First of all, Harper goes out and hires a bunch of Fed.workers and says jobs are up! Then when the economy starts to slow, then fire them all! When is HE going to downsize his own cabinet also, that is were the money is, especially with the gold-plated pensions that WE own and pay for! As a matter of fact, I like to know what this Tory party is going to give up to save money??

The gov/cabinet/Tory MP's reducing some of their own sweet wages/benefits would be a nice gesture indeed. Lead by example, and put your money where your mouth is. Of course this will never happen!

When these workers are no longer working, the government's revenues will go to and what are they going to go for the lost income....to the mint and print?

Revenues may slip if a bunch of these PS workers can't find new jobs or their incomes in their new jobs aren't as high as with the gov (likely!), but the savings of not having to pay the salaries and benefits of these people will more than make up for it. That's why they are doing! They aren't going to do it so they'll need to print money, since the debt/deficit is the entire reason why they are making the cuts in the 1st place.

[William Ashley]

The goverment is in debt choices are obvious.

1. Raise Taxes.

2. Lower Wages

3. Reduce Staffing Levels

4. Reduce Expenses

5. Redifine Service Offerings

6. Fees for Service.

All these restrictions on employers is bs, same goes for unions - employment is a contract between a worker and an employee if you don't have a legal one don't complain when you are put out for slaughter.

IT IS NOT FAIR TO EXTORT MONEY FROM PEOPLE FOR SERVICES THEY DON'T WANT! YOU WANT IT PAY FOR IT OR SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT COMPLAINING ABOUT JOE BLOWS LOST JOB!

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD CREATE WORK PROGRAMS AND CROWN CORPS BASED ON DEMANDED SERVICES. END OF STORY IF THERE IS NO DEMAND THERE IS NO WORK AND THEY MUST PRINT OR TAX THE RICH.. THIS IS NOT COMPLEX!

FIRING SKILLED EMPLOYEES IS NOT THE OPTION REDIRECTING THEM TO INCOME EARNING PROGRAMS IS WHERE IT IS AT AND THERE IS LOTS OF EFFICIENCY SUCH AS STARTING GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATED COOP FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS COMMUNITY HEAT EXCHANGE SYSTEMS AND FOOD GREENHOUSES AND A BILLION OTHER SOCIAL PROGRAMS THAT WILL PAY FOR THEMSELVES YEAR AFTER YEAR...

WE HAVE EXCESS SO TAX THE RICH BY DILUTING THE WEALTH WITH MORE CURRENCY IF THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT OF WORK BUT PUT THE POOR TO WORK ON THESE COMMUNITY PROJECTS BUT REAL PROJECTS THAT REALLY HELP THE COMMUNITY BY MAKING IT MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE!

TAX FOREIGN TRANSFERS OF MONEY LEAVING CANADA THAT IS ALL IT NEEDS! KEEP THE WEALTH AND PUT PEOPLE TO WORK - apprentiship and cooperative education are not unwork.

If they don't want the work that is fine but let them find their own survival they end up in the health stream if they are on deaths door... if they refuse that let them die the religious order of jains just lie down and die starving themself to death as the highest statement of self control.

Preservation of the self is a defence at law so if people commit crimes to protect their life it is legal.. so what is the deal.. if it is theft from someone with food in that type of society who cares... let it go but the principles are simple.

Live and let live and we are all going to die some day it is just what we make of the here and now and no man should be on the back of another.

Take what you can get but don't expect anything the world doesn't give you.

The only secure job is self employment and a means to live in that employment.

My hopes go to the good people who deserve and have a desire to live both they andtheir families...

Edited December 3, 2011 by William Ashley

[Topaz]

Services from the Feds. may get even slower IF they go ahead and layoff thousands of workers. First of all, the retirees leaving will take all the knowledge with them and then the newly hired workers who know something about their jobs will go, so who going to know the job? We know from watching QP, the ministers know very little about their job, since the read everything. Workers who are applying for EI right now are have problems reaching someone to talk to and its only going to get worse with any 18,000 just laid- off in Canada. So IF the business who are setting on billions of dollars from corp tax reduces don't hire, and the revenues being income taxes, fall, the government will have to raise taxes down the road. The Tories will feel the fallout of Canadians not getting the services they NEED.

[fellowtraveller]

They could move a few of the federal skilled workers into Canadian Revenue Agency, put them to work ona quota basis collecting unpaid taxes.

A chop of about 30,000 workers would help. That would likely put PSAC into kneejerk strike mode, which could save a couple billion in the next fiscal year without further chops. Works for me.

[cybercoma]

They should be happy they still have a job

I absolutely hate this tired line.

[blueblood]

I absolutely hate this tired line.

Spoken by someone who doesn't understand management. A big problem in western society.

[cybercoma]

Spoken by someone who doesn't understand management. A big problem in western society.

I don't understand management, eh? I guess not, if it means treating people like chattle.

Saying people should be happy they still have a job is like telling a rape victim she should be happy she wasn't killed.

Labour is sold on the market to employers. No one ever says, the employers should be happy they can still afford the labour.

[blueblood]

I don't understand management, eh? I guess not, if it means treating people like chattle.

Saying people should be happy they still have a job is like telling a rape victim she should be happy she wasn't killed.

Labour is sold on the market to employers. No one ever says, the employers should be happy they can still afford the labour.

There's that entitlement attitude again. Do you think the employers have to provide jobs?

A worker demanding things in a bad economy is like an airhead wife demanding designer shoes when there isn't money to pay for them.

It works that way in Alberta and sask. Hence the higher wages.

[cybercoma]

Employers don't just provide jobs, employees provide labour. You're only looking at one half of something that is an equation.

[blueblood]

Employers don't just provide jobs, employees provide labour. You're only looking at one half of something that is an equation.

And given the way things are today with increased productivity, those jobs aren't necessary anymore. An employer wants to hire as little employees as possible and have the work as automated as possible.

[fellowtraveller]

And given the way things are today with increased productivity, those jobs aren't necessary anymore. An employer wants to hire as little employees as possible and have the work as automated as possible.

You're looking at this as a rational, logical person.

Try to think from the other side for a moment.

[cybercoma]

And given the way things are today with increased productivity, those jobs aren't necessary anymore. An employer wants to hire as little employees as possible and have the work as automated as possible.

And?

[blueblood]

And?

Bye bye gov't workers

[MiddleClassCentrist]

We know there will likely be cuts.

Let's be honest, generally Conservatives don't have the support of Public Wokers anywhere. That is at least if the Public Workers are sane and understand that their interest is not in losing their job or funding.

There are two political games done with funding to create the facade of responsible governance.

1. Grow the service, then cut the service for anwhere under half of the increase for the election.
   
2. Cut the service, then dole out half of the money cut to improve the service... for the election
   

At least Harper gave some people temporary jobs. Hopefully they'll be able to find a job at Starbucks when EI finally runs out.

Edited December 3, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist

[PhilosopherKing]

Revenues may slip if a bunch of these PS workers can't find new jobs or their incomes in their new jobs aren't as high as with the gov (likely!), but the savings of not having to pay the salaries and benefits of these people will more than make up for it. That's why they are doing!

If you lay off thousands of people, does that not presume that the work those people were doing will not longer be done? What programs or services are Canadians prepared to do without? My own estimation is that Canadians like government services and don't want to give any of them up.

Or are you presuming these thousands of workers are sitting around drinking wine all day?

Edited December 4, 2011 by PhilosopherKing

[PhilosopherKing]

And given the way things are today with increased productivity, those jobs aren't necessary anymore. An employer wants to hire as little employees as possible and have the work as automated as possible.

What jobs aren't necessary any more? Are you suggesting there has been a large increase in productivity in the public service which would allow for the release of thousands of workers and yet still get the work done in a timely fashion?

My own understanding is that productivity in the public service is governed by management ability and the efficiency of processes and policies under which the employees work. I do not believe management in the public service is of a generally high caliber. As to the policies and procedures. These appear to be largely in the nature of a stifling, suffocating level of oversight. To whit: A private sector employee needs a widget. The private sector employee gets a widget, or buys a widget. The public sector employee needs a widget. They must fill out a form seeking management approval. The need for the widget will be brought up at a management meeting. A business case will be called for. Then that will be discussed at a followup meeting. The matter will be referred for consultation to the Finance Branch, where more meetings will be held. More forms and studies will be undertaken. Perhaps a year or so later, after labourious effort, a Request For Proposal will be offered up to private sector organizations to supply the widget.

Gross inefficiency? Indeed. But like many, you appear to be blaming the employee, when in fact, the problem is the process and policy designed by higher authority. If you eliminate the employees, that is not going to make the remaining ones get the job done faster. If you want more efficiency in the public service, you remake the policies and procedures. Unfortunately, that would remove the micromanaging oversight which the senior civil service as well as the politicians cherish. So that is unlikely to happen.

[PhilosopherKing]

They could move a few of the federal skilled workers into Canadian Revenue Agency, put them to work ona quota basis collecting unpaid taxes.

A chop of about 30,000 workers would help. That would likely put PSAC into kneejerk strike mode, which could save a couple billion in the next fiscal year without further chops. Works for me.

It does? May I presume you live far out in rural Canada, grow your own food, and make no use of any services either provided by or overseen/supervised by the federal government? You get no pension, no child tax benefits, no GST rebates or any other money from the federal government? You do not travel across the border, and eat no food and purchase no good which does so?

[punked]

double post

Edited December 4, 2011 by punked