Black Dog Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Dunno, cuz Leaf Nation is a huge brotherhood of disappointed fans that no the pain of following this team. They're the NHL version of the Chicago Cubs. I'm still not seeing why that's something to envy. And are you at all familiar with any Oilers fans? 8 years and counting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Dunno, cuz Leaf Nation is a huge brotherhood of disappointed fans that no the pain of following this team. They're the NHL version of the Chicago Cubs. Now that's something to envy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Kadri is headed for a suspension. Who plays Centre now? Bring back Sundin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Kadri is headed for a suspension. Who plays Centre now? Bring back Sundin? That suspension is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 That suspension is ridiculous. LOL what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 LOL what. He means it was way too short for what he did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 So, why has this thread gone so quiet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Weren't they cup favourites not that long ago? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm still not seeing why that's something to envy. And are you at all familiar with any Oilers fans? 8 years and counting... You cannot compare zero Stanley Cup final appearances in what... 47 years?.... with five Cup wins and 7 Finals appearances in the 35 years the Oilers have existed. Unless you are desperate for any kind of schadenfreude available.... Oh, and the comparison to the Cubs...maybe. One big difference is the atmosphere at games. Having seen both play live recently, I noticed that the Leafs barn/fan base is morose, bitter and generally resigned to the inevitable seasonal collapse. Games at Wrigley are a giant party inside and out, a lot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 You cannot compare zero Stanley Cup final appearances in what... 47 years?.... with five Cup wins and 7 Finals appearances in the 35 years the Oilers have existed. Unless you are desperate for any kind of schadenfreude available.... Not sure what you mean. If I was really into schadenfreude, I'd hardly be downplaying the Leafs' history of futility, would I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Not sure what you mean. If I was really into schadenfreude, I'd hardly be downplaying the Leafs' history of futility, would I? I don't know why you do the things you do. I was commenting on your comparison of the Leafs 47 and counting to the Oilers record, which is grim lately but obviously not in the same league of utter futility. The crazy thing is that the Leafs had about 40 years of no Finals appearances when there was no salary cap. The Leafs are very profitable and could have easily afforded to buy anybody they wanted but chose not to. Perhaps that speaks to how they view their fan base: captive milk cows, the gift that never stops giving.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Leafs might be alright if they figure out that they have to play 3 periods. At this rate they'll certainly need both goalies because wins with 50 shots a game will tire both dudes out. If they make the playoffs like this, I can't see a guy that should even remotely be considered a #1, the're both #1's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I don't know why you do the things you do. I was commenting on your comparison of the Leafs 47 and counting to the Oilers record, which is grim lately but obviously not in the same league of utter futility. The crazy thing is that the Leafs had about 40 years of no Finals appearances when there was no salary cap. The Leafs are very profitable and could have easily afforded to buy anybody they wanted but chose not to. Perhaps that speaks to how they view their fan base: captive milk cows, the gift that never stops giving.. Two words...Harold Ballard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Ballard died 23 years ago. Maybe the Curse of the Harold lives on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) Perhaps that speaks to how they view their fan base: captive milk cows, the gift that never stops giving.. Its becoming this way in Edmonton too. Poor performance for years but still a major waiting list for season tickets! Edited December 9, 2013 by Accountability Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 He did die, but that's what kept them on the outside looking in throughout the 70's and 80's. Stavros took over and didn't want to spend much either, then they floundered under him and it wasn't until he let it go and Cliff came in that they turned it around. In the 90's they were not too bad, had some very good teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Despite having the second highest payroll in the league throughout the 90's they still couldn't achieve a spot in the finals. It's hard to believe that the last time the Leafs were in the final series there were only 6 teams in the league. I find it even harder to believe that they have managed to turn those born in the 70's, 80's and 90's into new fans. Though I think the credit for that achievement belongs to a massive but under served southern Ontario hockey market. Two more teams are coming, one should be in the GTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFCaper Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Despite having the second highest payroll in the league throughout the 90's they still couldn't achieve a spot in the finals. It's hard to believe that the last time the Leafs were in the final series there were only 6 teams in the league. I find it even harder to believe that they have managed to turn those born in the 70's, 80's and 90's into new fans. Though I think the credit for that achievement belongs to a massive but under served southern Ontario hockey market. Two more teams are coming, one should be in the GTA. SW Ontario is way underserved. It NY/NJ can handle 3 teams in the USA, then TO can handle 2 with perhaps another one elsewhere. TV coverage is a big reason for the quantity of new fans as well. I grew up in a Habs area, and with TSN and then CBC becoming so Leaf centric, that the younger generation became Leaf fans, despite how bad they were at the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 They weren't Leaf centric, they were money/profitability centric....which happens when they feature the Leafs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFCaper Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 They weren't Leaf centric, they were money/profitability centric....which happens when they feature the Leafs. I understand that it wasn't based on the quality of the product. It really bothered me when CBC became so Leaf's based. Thought that they should be promoting the small market teams more than the larger market teams. Just not sure if the funding cuts caused it or that CBC is TO based Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Wish I could quote but I cant, damn system here. Anyhow, the CBC and others want to maximize their profits, and the way they do that is by having the Leafs on Sat nights. They can charge more TV ads, more viewers etc. I know it burns Sens fans but tv stations don't give a hoot, they want the ad revenue. If Montreal would produce the same money making that Leafs do we would be swamped w Habs games. CBC has no reason, financially, to help small market teams, and now in the new age there are no small market teams, they all have money with the new TV deal, every single one of them, Florida Panthers included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFCaper Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) The CBC situation os the one that bothers me the most. I feel that they should have focused on the smaller market teams. I also think we should better fund the CBC. I understand the reality, but it doesn't mean I need to like it. I'm a Wings fan, so much of this doesn't effect me much. Except I'm sick of hearing about the biggest sports team failure of 40 years as the leading story on sports programming. Edited December 12, 2013 by DFCaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 CBC has no reason, financially, to help small market teams, and now in the new age there are no small market teams, they all have money with the new TV deal, every single one of them, Florida Panthers included. Sure everyone gets a slice of the pie, but what it amounts to is a form of socialism where rich (mainly Canadian) teams subsidize revenue-challenged teams from the U.S. Florida is simply not on the same playing field as the Leafs, Habs, Oilers et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Sure everyone gets a slice of the pie, but what it amounts to is a form of socialism where rich (mainly Canadian) teams subsidize revenue-challenged teams from the U.S. Florida is simply not on the same playing field as the Leafs, Habs, Oilers et al. Revenue sharing pretty much puts them on the same level. REports indicate $45m of the $70m cap will be the level of support for the shit teams...Panthers Columbus et al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Sure everyone gets a slice of the pie, but what it amounts to is a form of socialism where rich (mainly Canadian) teams subsidize revenue-challenged teams from the U.S. Florida is simply not on the same playing field as the Leafs, Habs, Oilers et al. It wasn't that long ago that the same system kept Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa from closing up shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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