Remembrance Day Event Cancelled

[Rue]

And you think that's cool?

I don't think the wartorn country excuse is a decent one actually. It's the job of the school to educate the student why we remember the wars Canada has been involved with any why the consensus is they were nobel ventures.

Canada wouldn't be the country it is if we hadn't fought the wars we have.

You are wasting your time as much as I agree with you.

Welcome to this forum with its self righteous a-holes.

Here is the point. People died so we can live the way we do and

procreate the kind of a-holes that come to this forum and ridicule

what it means to die so they can live like soft, sheltered, snot

nosed little puff pastries.

You want political correctness on this one. Sorry not in me. I just can't believe

you even have to explain yourself. Sorry I should be more patient. I can't.

I can't believe you have to defend your point is all.

The point of Rememberance Day is so that veterans come in and talk

to the next generation so they do not forget the horrors of the past

and repeat it again.

Traumatizing? Someone finds it traumatizing? What a crock. Stay home.

Leave the class room and wait in the hall. Go to the library.

What utter b.s.

History is about discussing that which is outside our comfort

zone. Trauma? What next should we sugar coat history to avoid

references to killings and wars becauses someone might beed therapy?

What Bull. Absolute bull. I know kids from war torn countries and I have worked with them and I come from a family that escaped war and massacre. No I don't think the world needs to be sugar coated because I don't like guns or be reminded of terrorism

or war. What a crock. My father's comrades died so I could live and I should not be told that because it traumatizes my father to remember it? It is precisely because

my father can't talk about the war I listen to other vets tell me about it as best

they can. Nothing is as valuable as a war veteran sharing an experience. Nothing.

Veterans don't glorify their weapons or traumatize anyone. They provide lessons and bare witness the most powerful and accurate way to learn history.

When I was a kid I was taken to Queen Mary Veteran's Hospital. I would ask my father

who the men were there with no arms and legs and why they were just left there alone.

Trauma? Yer damn right they scared me as a kid having no arms or legs or eyes or ears or mouths or half their faces missing or wearing bags for their shit.

What should I have been hidden from them? Bull. I learned from them. I learned from getting over my fear of their permanent disabilities and listening to them and mostly not what they said, but what they would not talk of and when they would go quiet. I learned from their eyes and their silence as much as I did their words.

Kids today are just sa deserving of such lessons I went through. They are not wusses. They are brought up watching rape and murder and killing. What they need is reality, humility, souls who bare witness to set them straight and realize real men

don't easily kill and engage in violence and real mean regret and spend years with guilt and sorrow.

What they need are veterans to set them straight and understand what the price of freedom we take for granted is.

This won't fly. Its an isolated incident.

Most Canadians understand how crucial it is to have Rememberance day and learn from our vets and soldiers and pay respect to them. Believe that.

I am proud of my father and all war vets like him. I thank them. I thank all soldiers. They need to come to schools and talk. Kids need to connect with them. Its the only chance some kids will ever have to learn what is real in life for them.

Edited November 3, 2011 by Rue

[Shwa]

And you think that's cool?

Do I think what's cool?

I don't think the wartorn country excuse is a decent one actually. It's the job of the school to educate the student why we remember the wars Canada has been involved with any why the consensus is they were nobel ventures.

Canada wouldn't be the country it is if we hadn't fought the wars we have.

What on earth has compelled the thought that by denying a group of vets from making a Rememberance Day presentation somehow the kids wouldn't be learning about, and the sacrifices made during, the wars Canada has fought in?

I have never had such a presentation and I have a pretty darned good grasp of Canada's history, including the wars she has fought. Don't you?

Edited November 3, 2011 by Shwa

[Michael Hardner]

So hold on a second. A newspaper reports a story and now radio is discussing said story. It's getting a reaction from people.

Are you saying the Sun has no business reporting this story? Or they are being sensationalist in reporting this story?

The second one. Their business is sensationalism.

[Michael Hardner]

Ah, the ol'Hardner false choice. So allowing WWII replica arms for a Rememerance Day display is just like arming children with brass knuckles and knives? How are you still the moderator of this forum?

/facepalm

I'm not the moderator of this forum, but I was testing your sarcasm detector and it needs a battery.

[Shwa]

Nice to see the usual aholes on this forum addressing you though. They are the same people

that lecture on trauma and haven't a clue what it means to bleed.

You are such a hero Rue, coming into the discussion heroically like that, sticking up for all the veterans like you do. And that part about the trauma, simply fabulous. Keep up the good work Rue, we're counting on you!

[cybercoma]

On one hand, I think this is a ridiculous decision. However, at the same time, I wonder the same thing as msj:

Why can't they hold a ceremony without guns?

[cybercoma]

Shhhhhhhh....the new revisionist history teaches that Canada only has peackeepers...and they do it with only butter knives!

It's none of your business what context Canadians give to their history.

[Smallc]

On one hand, I think this is a ridiculous decision. However, at the same time, I wonder the same thing as msj:

Completely agree. It's a stupid decision, but, there's no reason for the gun.

Edited November 3, 2011 by Smallc

[Boges]

Completely agree. It's a stupid decision, but, there's no reason for the gun.

I could agree with that notion if the event was being proposed and had never been done before. But this same event has been going on, I assume in a similar manner, for 19 years.

What's so different this year?

We go to museums to see historical things in the person, up close. It would be interesting and informative for these students for those things to be brought to them.

Edited November 3, 2011 by Boges

[Black Dog]

I could agree with that notion if the event was being proposed and had never been done before. But this same event has been going on, I assume in a similar manner, for 19 years.

What's so different this year?

We go to museums to see historical things in the person, up close. It would be interesting and informative for these students for those things to be brought to them.

A museum is going to put this stuff in much more context than a show'n'tell session. Like I said, I think they'd learn more from having a conversation or Q and A with some actual veterans than just by looking at a bunch of old hardware. Put a human face on history.

[Boges]

A museum is going to put this stuff in much more context than a show'n'tell session. Like I said, I think they'd learn more from having a conversation or Q and A with some actual veterans than just by looking at a bunch of old hardware. Put a human face on history.

Or they could have both. A Veteran talking about and showing people the instruments they used.

Can't a veteran, who actually lived through the events, provide satisfactory context to the hardware being displayed?

Heck it might even make otherwise disinterested students interested in history.

Because, you know, guns are cool and stuff.

[Shady]

Because you had a lock on the forum idiot position.

Dude isn't even a moderator.

Anyhoos...I'm still not sure I see the educational value here. These are kids reared on violent movies and videogames, they aren't going to have a reaction from getting to handle a Lee Enfield that goes much deeper than "Whoah a gun! Cool!" They'd probably get more out of a conversation with a vet.

Well he certainly took that position from me!

I tend to agree about the questionable educational value. But at the same time, theyre being a bit ridiculous applying the gun ban to a Rememberance Day display.

[Black Dog]

Or they could have both. A Veteran talking about and showing people the instruments they used.

Can't a veteran, who actually lived through the events, provide satisfactory context to the hardware being displayed?

Heck it might even make otherwise disinterested students interested in history.

Because, you know, guns are cool and stuff.

That's kind of my point: instead of being about the people, it becomes about the gear and that's not the point of Remembrance Day. All I'm saying is, as silly a rationale as was given for the decision to keep the gear out, it's not actually necessary IMV.

[Boges]

That's kind of my point: instead of being about the people, it becomes about the gear and that's not the point of Remembrance Day. All I'm saying is, as silly a rationale as was given for the decision to keep the gear out, it's not actually necessary IMV.

Sometimes you need a hook.

As shocking as it may be to imagine but kids don't automatically find history interesting.

[cybercoma]

It's kind of inappropriate to be turning Remembrance Day into entertainment with guns and stuff.

[Boges]

It's kind of inappropriate to be turning Remembrance Day into entertainment with guns and stuff.

Is there any evidence that's what it is? plus this was to be held the day before Remembrance Day.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's none of your business what context Canadians give to their history.

It sure isn't, but that won't stop you from bloviating about what the Americans do with theirs.

[Wilber]

It's kind of inappropriate to be turning Remembrance Day into entertainment with guns and stuff.

That's a joke right?

[guyser]

That's a joke right?

Wilber, Id like to ask you a question. I assume you are older than most of here thus the Q.

What did we do back in the 60's and early 70's for Remembrance Day. I was born in 1960 and recall a day off, but little else was done. It was uncool to be in any form of military, Cadets and so on, back when I was coming of age.

I do not recall any services apart from the Cenotaph stuff done here w the 48TH Highlanders in TO.

The resurgence in remembering seems to be since the start of 1990 or therabouts.

I ask this because (if I am correct) we have gone from doing virtually nothing back then, to do quite a bit, IOW we are better at remembering/honouring, but then a hiccup like this has everyones panties in a knot when in fact it is far better now than any service/honour/remembrance we had from 1960-1990.

[Wilber]

Wilber, Id like to ask you a question. I assume you are older than most of here thus the Q.

What did we do back in the 60's and early 70's for Remembrance Day. I was born in 1960 and recall a day off, but little else was done. It was uncool to be in any form of military, Cadets and so on, back when I was coming of age.

I do not recall any services apart from the Cenotaph stuff done here w the 48TH Highlanders in TO.

The resurgence in remembering seems to be since the start of 1990 or therabouts.

I ask this because (if I am correct) we have gone from doing virtually nothing back then, to do quite a bit, IOW we are better at remembering/honouring, but then a hiccup like this has everyones panties in a knot when in fact it is far better now than any service/honour/remembrance we had from 1960-1990.

I asked the question because if he was serious, I was wondering if cybercoma has ever seen a cenotaph ceremony. Believe it or not, there are guns and stuff.

[Boges]

I asked the question because if he was serious, I was wondering if cybercoma has ever seen a cenotaph ceremony. Believe it or not, there are guns and stuff.

I made that point earlier. The one in Georgetown, Ontario has a freakin' howitzer on it.

[guyser]

I asked the question because if he was serious, I was wondering if cybercoma has ever seen a cenotaph ceremony. Believe it or not, there are guns and stuff.

Apologies, I was not meaning anything by having that quote in the w my post. My question is honest and not a bait of any kind.

I ask because I am interested in your answer.

[cybercoma]

Is there any evidence that's what it is? plus this was to be held the day before Remembrance Day.

You said they need a hook so kids will find it interesting. This isn't about entertainment. It's a solemn memorial, not a Justin Bieber concert.

[cybercoma]

I asked the question because if he was serious, I was wondering if cybercoma has ever seen a cenotaph ceremony. Believe it or not, there are guns and stuff.

You're talking about the Cenotaph ceremony versus having a "hook" to keep the kids "interested", as Boges said. I'm not saying take the guns out of everything to do with Remembrance Day. I was referring to Boges's post.

[Wilber]

Apologies, I was not meaning anything by having that quote in the w my post. My question is honest and not a bait of any kind.

I ask because I am interested in your answer.

I think there has been a resurgence of interest, mostly since our involvement in Afghanistan. We haven't taken a real combat roll in a conflict since the Korean War and perhaps Remembrance Day became a somewhat abstract concept during the so called peace keeping years. Our people being killed and wounded on a regular basis has brought home a reality of war in a way that wasn't appreciated during those years. Particularly if people don't have a connection with war such as personal involvement or a close relation who was a vet of WW2 or Korea.

As much as many would like to ignore it, war has been a integral part of our history. Like most other countries, we are who we are in large part because of wars. I just don't understand how people can get their knickers in a knot when relics of those wars are brought into a classroom in order to try and make a connection to that history.