Wild Bill Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Israel does not even believe it. How do you know this, GH? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
GostHacked Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 How do you know this, GH? It's not about the nukes, why can't people get their head around this? Israel just wants Iran gone, plain and simple. Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 It's not about the nukes, why can't people get their head around this? Israel just wants Iran gone, plain and simple. How do you know this, GH? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
GostHacked Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 How do you know this, GH? I don't. And neither does anyone else. So all this bullshit rhetoric against Iran is just another part of the take down plan of the middle east. You are being fed lies and bullshit by the MSM. Attacking Iran would be the worst thing for Israel. That much I am pretty sure of. Israel will make a strike on Iran and the usual knuckleheads will cheer it on. If Iran did a strike on Israel most of the usual knuckleheads will be crying foul at the top of their lungs. A preemptive strike is a first strike, and an act of aggression and an act of war. If war is to be had, then how about make it an official act of war? Quote
kactus Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Israel's tactic at first was to win the heart of the western world for a collective support on their attack on Iran. Then moved the goalpost by framing the justification for an attack under the disguise of "arms race" in the middle east when all this time they are concerned about losing their monopoly nuclear status. Sure as hell they will be punished for instigating an attack on another sovereign nation without being attacked in the first place. And quite rightly so should they wish to go down this route. An eye for an eye would be applicable here. That's what you need to know if you dont know what you must know. Quote
Rue Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Israel's tactic at first was to win the heart of the western world for a collective support on their attack on Iran. Then moved the goalpost by framing the justification for an attack under the disguise of "arms race" in the middle east when all this time they are concerned about losing their monopoly nuclear status. Sure as hell they will be punished for instigating an attack on another sovereign nation without being attacked in the first place. And quite rightly so should they wish to go down this route. An eye for an eye would be applicable here. That's what you need to know if you dont know what you must know. You have subjective opinions and that is what you project onto the Israeli government as their motives. You see what you want to see. So don't come on this forum and have the audacity to tell me what I MUST know. Save that snot nosed presumptious attitude of self entitlement for your Mama. No you are not entitled to demand anything from me or anyone. No you don't have the right to entitle yourself to deem what people must know. Grow up and spit out that silver spoon and the belief you are special and your opinions are gospel and people must bow down before you. Here's a flash. You have a subjective opinion. Its not universal truth its unsubstantiated speculation. Edited November 9, 2011 by Rue Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 It's not about the nukes, why can't people get their head around this? Israel just wants Iran gone, plain and simple. Gone from where? Good luck wiping out an entire country that big...then having the nuke radiation/fallout whisked in the breeze over Israel. Yum! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Rue Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 How do you know this, GH? Let me guess. He hears voices. That or he sees things. Just for the record-the only burning bush I know is Lindsay Lohan. Quote
wyly Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Gone from where? Good luck wiping out an entire country that big...then having the nuke radiation/fallout whisked in the breeze over Israel. Yum! IMO if israel used nukes in a first strike it would lose the last of it's allies...and iran would certianly recover and have a different agenda, nuclear retaliation...and that would be it for israel the zionist agenda would be done... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Moonlight Graham Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Sure as hell they will be punished for instigating an attack on another sovereign nation without being attacked in the first place. And quite rightly so should they wish to go down this route. Like the US and coalition in Iraq? Or Operation Babylon - re: Israel destroying Iraq reactor in 1981? Actually, they are being punished by Iran trying to make nukes so they don't become Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't blame Iran one bit, and any sane country would do exactly as Iran is doing now. That said, who the heck wants Iran with nukes?...though odds are very low that Iran would use them despite Western/Israeli propaganda. This is so going down. Israel will attack Iran's sites, and with Western support. Edited November 9, 2011 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
wyly Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 This is so going down. Israel will attack Iran's sites, and with Western support. with the US economy on the verge of deeper recession? and the EU desperately fighting economic collapse? there'll be no western support for israel in any venture that could see the price of oil skyrocket... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 .... Sure as hell they will be punished for instigating an attack on another sovereign nation without being attacked in the first place. And quite rightly so should they wish to go down this route. An eye for an eye would be applicable here. That's what you need to know if you dont know what you must know. Nah...that dog don't hunt. When will Canada be punished for bombing Libya? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 It's not about the nukes, why can't people get their head around this? Israel just wants Iran gone, plain and simple. Actually what this is really about is not the threat of a nuclear war. Its about a shifting of the balance of power. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
wyly Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Actually what this is really about is not the threat of a nuclear war. Its about a shifting of the balance of power. yup, an iran with nukes neutralizes israel's nuclear hand...israel cannot win an arms race with iran it will economically crippled in the attempt... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 yup, an iran with nukes neutralizes israel's nuclear hand...israel cannot win an arms race with iran it will economically crippled in the attempt... Israel won the arms race with Iran decades ago. It also has a much higher per-capita GDP. Advantage Israel.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Like the US and coalition in Iraq? Or Operation Babylon - re: Israel destroying Iraq reactor in 1981? Actually, they are being punished by Iran trying to make nukes so they don't become Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't blame Iran one bit, and any sane country would do exactly as Iran is doing now. That said, who the heck wants Iran with nukes?...though odds are very low that Iran would use them despite Western/Israeli propaganda. This is so going down. Israel will attack Iran's sites, and with Western support. I wouldnt be so sure. Remember, this wont just be a few airstrikes. This will start open war. Irans nuclear program is scattered across about 300 different sites. A pretty massive bombing campaign would be required, and Iran would respond. Iran can cause the west a lot of grief if this happens, in 4 different ways.... through its proxies in shia-governed Iraq, though its proxies in Lebanon and Palestine, by directly counter attacking with military assets, and buy sinking oil tankers in the Tiran strait. Western countries that want to play in the game know this. They know that starting a war with Iran will mean a very expensive regional conflict, that will require more than just bombing campaign. It will likely lead to open war, regime change, nation building, and another open ended conflict. Plus further damage to the global financial system. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 I don't. And neither does anyone else. How do you seriously know that nobody else does, too? Spidey sense?? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) You have subjective opinions and that is what you project onto the Israeli government as their motives. You see what you want to see. So don't come on this forum and have the audacity to tell me what I MUST know. Save that snot nosed presumptious attitude of self entitlement for your Mama. No you are not entitled to demand anything from me or anyone. No you don't have the right to entitle yourself to deem what people must know. Grow up and spit out that silver spoon and the belief you are special and your opinions are gospel and people must bow down before you. Here's a flash. You have a subjective opinion. Its not universal truth its unsubstantiated speculation. Thankfully enough we do live in a world where everyone is entitled to an opinion. Sometimes we agree sometimes we disagree which is the first rule of exchanging ideas. But certainly we do not make these attacks personal by bringing family into the equation. If you do not have the capacity to grasp this then stay the hell out. This is your very first reply to me on this thread and you ceratinly haven't shown that degree of maturity in the first place. Furthermore, you do not own this thread to tell me or anyone for that matter how we should think. Pomposity is a bad trait and you seem to have demonstrated it quite eloquently here. Capiche, eiverstanden, understood? I hope so for your own sake... Edited November 9, 2011 by kactus Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 ..... Plus further damage to the global financial system. But you said it was already broken and doomed anyway....so let 'er rip Israel! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 How do you seriously know that nobody else does, too? Spidey sense?? Alex Jones. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 yup, an iran with nukes neutralizes israel's nuclear hand...israel cannot win an arms race with iran it will economically crippled in the attempt... You hope Iran's tiny device will neutralize the Teller-Ulam design. But, I wouldn't count on it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Alex Jones. The original Spider Man himself...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 You hope Iran's tiny device will neutralize the Teller-Ulam design. But, I wouldn't count on it. Good point...Iran still struggles with some of the basics. They should hire Israeli consultants! When shopping for nukes...try the rest...then buy the best! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wild Bill Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 IMO if israel used nukes in a first strike it would lose the last of it's allies...and iran would certianly recover and have a different agenda, nuclear retaliation...and that would be it for israel the zionist agenda would be done... Wyly, Israel is a very small country. If IRAN used nukes in a first strike Israel would be GONE! Period and end of story! Why do you think the idea is so attractive to an Islamic fundamentalist? To such a personality, the negative repercussions of such an act would be worth it! One of those Iranian leaders said it himself recently, that if Israel were to be wiped out and Iran only damaged, even with a large loss of life, it would be a cheap price to pay! You are expecting a fundamentalist religious mindset to be rationa. You would not have allowed that with Harper or heaven forbid! Stockwell Day. Yet you credit the rulers of Iran? Of course, one could never call you partisan! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
DogOnPorch Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 Good point...Iran still struggles with some of the basics. They should hire Israeli consultants! When shopping for nukes...try the rest...then buy the best! To the layman...a nuke is a nuke. But really, there's no comparison between what countries like Pakistan have (tiny, unreliable) and your typical modern TN device (freakin' huge). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3FBN2zfdk Red China's first test of the Teller-Ulam design. 3.3mt yield. Oct 1967. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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