olp1fan Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Posted November 7, 2011 This coming from a nation (Canada) with recent military actions against other sovereign states like Serbia, Haiti, and Libya that posed no such threat. Israel has faced the real deal for decades....it's not a human rights game for them. oh shhh its not like israel is innocent, Mossad has terrorized the middle east for decades now Quote
GostHacked Posted November 7, 2011 Report Posted November 7, 2011 This coming from a nation (Canada) with recent military actions against other sovereign states like Serbia, Haiti, and Libya that posed no such threat. At least you admit that Libya was not a threat. Currently one of the books I am reading is called 'Imperialistic Canada' by Tom Gordon. Yes Canada has done some horrible things in it's past. I am not happy about it. http://www.amazon.ca/Imperialist-Canada-Todd-Gordon/dp/1894037456 Quote
kactus Posted November 7, 2011 Report Posted November 7, 2011 This coming from a nation (Canada) with recent military actions against other sovereign states like Serbia, Haiti, and Libya that posed no such threat. Israel has faced the real deal for decades....it's not a human rights game for them. Perplexity and dynamics of these relationships in MiddleEast is difficult to comprehend, especially if one hasn't had first hand experience. As I said, the whole notion of Iran becoming nuclear has nothing to do with religious nutjob, wiping Israel off the map, and all common beliefs but has everything to do with shifting the balance if power in favor of Iran and protect their national interest against foreign meddling. Quote
sharkman Posted November 7, 2011 Report Posted November 7, 2011 you must be an american sharkman, thats totally what they said on foxnews This is also what some in Israel think, does that make me a Jewish American Fox watcher? Good to see you watch Fox news, however. For the record I am a proud Canadian that really feels it when he sings the national anthem(that's right, I sing it out loud!) at a hockey game, hehe. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 7, 2011 Report Posted November 7, 2011 These people aren't as crazy as people make them out to be Ummmm...right. There are also no homosexuals in Iran and the Holocaust is a Zionist plot! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Posted November 7, 2011 ...but has everything to do with shifting the balance if power in favor of Iran and protect their national interest against foreign meddling. Ummmm...yea...I think we have already stated as much many times. Goes back to the very knarle idea of an Arab Bomb (Pakistan), but Iranians are Persians. Same deal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Yeah, you should try the humane compassion sometimes especially about countries that often get negative coverage in the news every now and then... Would you tell me how well Iran treats its gays, lesbians, transvestites and transexuals? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kactus Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Would you tell me how well Iran treats its gays, lesbians, transvestites and transexuals? Read DOP's comments prior to my post before being selective on human rights issues. That said your point is valid in so far as human rights issues is concerned in Iran today. It is good to see that atleast you do show compassion for those groups. The point of contention is people use this as a pretext to attack, kill Iranians (including gays, lesbians, etc etc) to justify "liberation" and removal of threat to Israel with their actions. That would have far more grave consequences for the region and Israel if that is the pretext. There are plenty of arab countries including friendly Saudis with far worse human rights issues than Iran. Those concerns don't yet get much humane compassionate coverage do they?! Edited November 8, 2011 by kactus Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 ...There are plenty of arab countries including friendly Saudis with far worse human rights issues than Iran. Those concerns don't yet get much humane compassionate coverage do they?! Yes they do...in the way of Canadian (NATO) strike missions. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Yes they do...in the way of Canadian (NATO) strike missions. Really? Have the arabs in the shape of (the monarch royal puppets) residing in Saudi Arabia been under the Canadian (NATO) strike mission? Hmmm! That's news to me! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Really? Have the arabs in the shape of (the monarch royal puppets) residing in Saudi Arabia been under the Canadian (NATO) strike mission? Hmmm! That's news to me! Oh please....Canada has it's own sock puppets for royals as well. Why were there any Canadian strike aircraft in the region...Israel happens to actually be there! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wild Bill Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Oh please....Canada has it's own sock puppets for royals as well. Why were there any Canadian strike aircraft in the region...Israel happens to actually be there! BC, are you familiar with ham radio slang? Kids are 'harmonics', with bosses there are 'big knobs' and 'little knobs' depending on their rank and so on. Here we see a thread full of 'lids'! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 BC, are you familiar with ham radio slang? Kids are 'harmonics', with bosses there are 'big knobs' and 'little knobs' depending on their rank and so on. Here we see a thread full of 'lids'! Indeed....some of these kids are just 'birdies'. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olp1fan Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 lol sarkozy and obama dissed netanyahu ....so what does this mean? will netanyahu bomb iran without consulting its allies or will this make them back off knowing they might not have the support they need should things get out of hand? Quote
wyly Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 lol sarkozy and obama dissed netanyahu ....so what does this mean? will netanyahu bomb iran without consulting its allies or will this make them back off knowing they might not have the support they need should things get out of hand? how does israel bomb iran without flying over Iraq? it needs US approval...if permission is given then the US gets drawn into a war...if the suadi's give permission it becomes a target of iran, siding with the zionists against an islamic country won't go over well... nothing happens without US approval and iran knows it...the last the thing the US needs at this time is another war... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) nothing happens without US approval and iran knows it...the last the thing the US needs at this time is another war... so you say but I disagree... Israel has even said they might not talk about it with their allies before they do it U.S influence is waning...they are barely a world power..they're just like every other country normal Edited November 8, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 U.S influence is waning...they are barely a world power..they're just like every other country normal That's what Saddam thought too...he was a bad poker player. The problem with Iran's bomb isn't if, but how. It presents difficult technical "challenges" for precision strikes against hardened underground facilities. Time to test some bunker busters! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olp1fan Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 That's what Saddam thought too...he was a bad poker player. The problem with Iran's bomb isn't if, but how. It presents difficult technical "challenges" for precision strikes against hardened underground facilities. Time to test some bunker busters! that wasn't a justified war...they only wanted saddam gone cause he was leaning away from the greenback when it came to oil Quote
GostHacked Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 how does israel bomb iran without flying over Iraq? it needs US approval...if permission is given then the US gets drawn into a war...if the suadi's give permission it becomes a target of iran, siding with the zionists against an islamic country won't go over well... nothing happens without US approval and iran knows it...the last the thing the US needs at this time is another war... Israel obviously does not care about that. No matter if permission was granted from Iraq, Israel would fly over them to get to Iran, or they can find another way to get there. Going over Iraq is but one option. Quote
olp1fan Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 Why would Israel give a damn what U.S says? U.S will still send them aid by the billions no matter what There's just too many Israelis pulling the strings They will get away with it Quote
wyly Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Israel obviously does not care about that. No matter if permission was granted from Iraq, Israel would fly over them to get to Iran, or they can find another way to get there. Going over Iraq is but one option. look at a map turkey, iraq or suadi there is no other way and to fly iran and none of those countries will give permission and israel has no long range bombers...to do so allies those countries with the zionists, to do so involves them in a war with iran... Edited November 8, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Why would Israel give a damn what U.S says? U.S will still send them aid by the billions no matter what There's just too many Israelis pulling the strings They will get away with it because americans will die, the gulf states do not want a war with iran, the world economy hangs in the balance, the price of crude oil will go through the roof(as if it's not high enough now)... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) look at a map turkey, iraq or suadi there is no other way and to fly iran and none of those countries will give permission and israel has no long range bombers...to do so allies those countries with the zionists, to do so involves them in a war with iran... So who gave Israel overflight rights when it bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear power plant in 1981? Forgiveness is easier to get than permission. Edited November 8, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 look at a map turkey, iraq or suadi there is no other way and to fly iran and none of those countries will give permission and israel has no long range bombers...to do so allies those countries with the zionists, to do so involves them in a war with iran... You don't need to go over land to get to Iran. It's a longer trip, but can be done. Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Israel obviously does not care about that. No matter if permission was granted from Iraq, Israel would fly over them to get to Iran, or they can find another way to get there. Going over Iraq is but one option. You make sense! If Israel decided that Iran was such an immediate threat that pissing off Uncle Sam and some of the other countries in the area was worth it they wouldn't hesitate for a minute! It must look to them like a choice between some diplomatic problems and having a nuke dropped on their head is an easy choice indeed! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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