wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 So those seals sneaking into Pakistan to kill bin laden without Pakistani permission didn't happen? And those predator drones flying over Pakistan didn't happen. Then why was Pakistan in such a tizzy, shouldn't there nuke arsenal have deterred the USA from such action. do you have trouble with reading comprehension? or just understanding the politics behind the scene? Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Then it's settled....all we need is for Iran to kiss and make up with Israel, recognize each other's right to exist, and they'll all live happily ever after, right? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 The Guardian's Jonathan Steele cites four different translations, from professors to the BBC to the New York Times and even pro-Israel news outlets, in none of those translations is the word "map" used. The closest translation to what the Iranian President actually said is, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," or a narrow relative thereof. In no version is the word "map" used or a context of mass genocide or hostile military action even hinted at.The acceptance of the word "map" seemingly originated with the New York Times, who later had to back away from this false translation. The BBC also wrongly used the word and, in comments to Steele, later accepted their mistake but refused to issue a retraction. "The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of "the regime occupying Jerusalem" - with the fall of the Shah's regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 1970's he surely did not favor Iran's removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out," writes Steele. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
kactus Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Challenge met. Cnn I am having trouble seeing what your point is when you seem to shift your argument. First you ask which neighbouring country has invaded Iran I told you Iraq. Then you shifted your argument about what was said about the quote which calls for wiping Israel off the map which is still untrue. Perhaps these sources will bring some angle to the story as both of them translate exactly word for word what the quote was: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527 http://antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025 Honestly I will buy you a virtual beer if you can prove me otherwise. Over to you... Edited November 10, 2011 by kactus Quote
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Challenge met. Cnn I find it hilarious that people can read the message between the lines in that case, but when that kind of thing happens with western leaders, it's just brushed off or ignored, or excuses are made 'well that is not what he meant' ...... Double standards. Double speak. Hypocrisy. Quote
blueblood Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 not met! that was the result of the deliberate zionist mistranslation...another rube falls for lie...now someone with integrity would've searched behind the story and found the real translation... CNN still had that article up... Oh and your getting involved with nitpicking with map and page of time. Still calling for a wipeout... Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 So those seals sneaking into Pakistan to kill bin laden without Pakistani permission didn't happen? And those predator drones flying over Pakistan didn't happen. Then why was Pakistan in such a tizzy, shouldn't there nuke arsenal have deterred the USA from such action. The US was going after terrorist al-Queda types. Well, that is the story we are told anyways. Quote
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 CNN still had that article up... Oh and your getting involved with nitpicking with map and page of time. Still calling for a wipeout... apparently you really do have reading comprehension issues... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 The US was going after terrorist al-Queda types. Well, that is the story we are told anyways. and pakistan is okay with that but it has serious internal political issues and can't be seen approving US actions, so it's over the top complaining done with a wink and a nod...they're delighted the US is doing the job so they don't have to be seen as US allies... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
kactus Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 CNN still had that article up... Oh and your getting involved with nitpicking with map and page of time. Still calling for a wipeout... Ah but you see paying attention to finer details is what makes the difference between a propaganda and the truth. Especially when it concerns "wiping another country off the map" to make a case for "war on terror". Ahhhh where is the good old David Frum. Hmmmm.... Quote
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Ah but you see paying attention to finer details is what makes the difference between a propaganda and the truth. Especially when it concerns "wiping another country off the map" to make a case for "war on terror". Ahhhh where is the good old David Frum. Hmmmm.... he conveniently ignores an iraqi regime change that left iraq in place...or natos recent Libyan regime change or "protecting the civilians" campaign... Edited November 10, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I find it hilarious that people can read the message between the lines in that case, but when that kind of thing happens with western leaders, it's just brushed off or ignored, or excuses are made 'well that is not what he meant' ...... Double standards. Double speak. Hypocrisy. What part of... Israel must be wiped out from the map of the world and God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism. ...is being misunderstood by us poor dupes in the West?? Seems pretty darn clear to me. Plus...if it is a filthy Jewish lie as some insist it is, what in fact was the correct translation and what are YOUR sources? Edited November 10, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 What part of... Israel must be wiped out from the map of the world and God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism. Hmm, looks like you are right. Ah well, can't blame him for saying what he thinks. At least it's not the double speak we usually get with our leaders. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Hmm, looks like you are right. Ah well, can't blame him for saying what he thinks. At least it's not the double speak we usually get with our leaders. Then it should be clear to you who the enemy is. If not, you're just another modern non-com that thinks he is seperate from Von Clauswitz's rules. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Then it should be clear to you who the enemy is. If not, you're just another modern non-com that thinks he is seperate from Von Clauswitz's rules. Actually Iran is Israel's enemy. Not mine. So I should care how? They have not sworn to wipe Canada off the map, so not really worried. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Actually Iran is Israel's enemy. Not mine. So I should care how? They have not sworn to wipe Canada off the map, so not really worried. See...you DO think you're seperate from Von Clauswitz's conduct of war. Like war would NEVER affect you...ever. Let's hope you're right in your thinking during your lifetime. However, I must warn you that your enemy will have none of the compassion you demonstrate. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Then it's settled....all we need is for Iran to kiss and make up with Israel, recognize each other's right to exist, and they'll all live happily ever after, right? We dont even need that. Who cares if they kiss and make up? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 See...you DO think you're seperate from Von Clauswitz's conduct of war. Like war would NEVER affect you...ever. War will effect us all, and that is why I'd like to avoid this whole confrontation. But if it works for your argument to ignore it, then cool. But as the record goes, Israel WILL strike Iran before Iran attacks. Based on their past actions against Iraq and Syria. No matter the rhetoric, who made the strikes? Let's hope you're right in your thinking during your lifetime. However, I must warn you that your enemy will have none of the compassion you demonstrate. Like we have compassion for the collateral damage inflicted around the world? Please. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) You can not speak for 'we'. War plays no favorites and is not fair. It's not a violent sport. It is politics by other means and woe be to those in the way. That's how it has been and will be no matter the 'rules'...no matter the children. War will effect us all, and that is why I'd like to avoid this whole confrontation. BTW: The word is 'affect'...not 'effect'. Think of it this way: The effects affected you and you'll never get it wrong. Edited November 10, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wild Bill Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 The US was going after terrorist al-Queda types. Well, that is the story we are told anyways. The Americans did it without Pakistan's permission for a very simple reason - Pakistan has very serious internal security issues. The Taliban was constantly being tipped off about anything the Pakistani government learned! Unless America acted as it did, it would NEVER have gotten ANY such terrorists, let alone such high level ones! We live in a real world and if we don't take that into account then we will perpetually lose! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
jbg Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 There are plenty of arab countries including friendly Saudis with far worse human rights issues than Iran. Those concerns don't yet get much humane compassionate coverage do they?! I suspect you haven't read many of my posts but that point applies equally to so-called allies as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. I am tired of Israel, the country with the best human rights record in the area (albeit not perfect) being singled out. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 Hiroshima, Nagasaki. And how many Japanese would have died in a protracted land invasion tight blockade including food and medicine? But it's easy for you; if the West does it bad, if the East or some primitive group does it, good. Why not move to Pakistan? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 It's not about the nukes, why can't people get their head around this? Israel just wants Iran gone, plain and simple. No, Israel wants their fevered, rabid clerics gone. The Persian people are just fine. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
wyly Posted November 11, 2011 Report Posted November 11, 2011 I suspect you haven't read many of my posts but that point applies equally to so-called allies as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. I am tired of Israel, the country with the best human rights record in the area (albeit not perfect) being singled out. and most of the world is tired of a country claiming to be just democracy while openly practicing ethnic cleansing/apartheid...then claiming it's okay because they're not as bad as the other guys... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Posted November 11, 2011 and most of the world is tired of a country claiming to be just democracy while openly practicing ethnic cleansing/apartheid...then claiming it's okay because they're not as bad as the other guys... and most of the world is sick of hearing empty threats from iran Quote
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