jacee Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 If Hudak doesn't know any better than to refer to Canadian citizens as "foreigners" then the PC party has sure scraped the slime from the bottom of the barrel to find him as a 'leader'.Does the corporate/business sector really find such ignorance attractive? GO HUDAK! You're doing a great job! BTW ... did I mention that Hudak's wife bald-faced lied to the Judge at the Ipperwash Inquiry? Such a nice couple. Quote
capricorn Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Posted September 13, 2011 If Hudak doesn't know any better than to refer to Canadian citizens as "foreigners" What do you think about McGuinty's policy platform document where he refers to "newcomers" and not "Canadian citizens" as the group who would qualify for this $10K tax credit to businesses? Was it intentional or do McGuinty and the Liberals not know the difference? LOL right back at you. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Moonlight Graham Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 McGuinty promises 30 per cent tuition cut, as Liberal platform unveiled Dalton McGuinty is hoping a 30 per cent cut in college and university tuition fees will win the Liberals a passing grade from voters. That's IF you believe the guy. Dalton is a proven liar during campaigns. Remember this one: "I won't cut your taxes, but I won't raise them either." Ha! I can't trust the man. He should just zip the lip and run on his record, that's the only thing he can stand on with any reality to it. I don't know who i'm going to vote for Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) What's that saying? Polls are for dogs. The polls in the last election showed another Harper minority and he obtained a majority. In TO, the polls showed Smitherman giving Ford a run for his money. Look how that turned out. Yeah... because he made a plea to keep the NDP out in Ontario and right leaning Liberals jumped last minute... Polls roll over days and wouldn't account for the sudden spike. Expecting a poll to be 100% accurate is silly because people change their minds day to day. Harper's plea worked. Ontarians still fear NDP as government. That is what gave Harper a majority... Edited September 13, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
PIK Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) If Hudak doesn't know any better than to refer to Canadian citizens as "foreigners" then the PC party has sure scraped the slime from the bottom of the barrel to find him as a 'leader'.Does the corporate/business sector really find such ignorance attractive? GO HUDAK! You're doing a great job! BTW ... did I mention that Hudak's wife bald-faced lied to the Judge at the Ipperwash Inquiry? Such a nice couple. McLiar said newcomers at 1st not canadians. Under 5 years means about 2 peoiple would have benefitted from it, he lied to the immigrants right there. We people that have been here forvever really have no say, toronto, immigrant capital, has all the say. Hopefully the immigrants will see thru this lie also. But in the end McLiar is going to get his lunch handed to him ,no matter what the polls say. Edited September 13, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 I googled "Ontario election polls" ... Sponsored Ad at top. "Has Tim Screwed You?" http://www.howscrewedareyou.ca/en/students/ Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
scribblet Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 Why? This program is directed at people who have a chronically high unemployment rate. It's designed to given Canadian citizens that haven't been here that long the ability to compete with others. I'm not always a fan of programs like these, but because this one is aimed at people who have marketable skills, I don't see it as a detriment. It's a detriment to skilled workers who don't fit into the affirmative action group here, who would you hire for the chance of getting that much of a credit. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Argus Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 Because, Hudak called them foreigners. They aren't foreigners. They are New Canadians. And Hudak is calling new Canadians FOREIGN. Hudak looks like an ass in this. Not Dalton. You have to be in Canada for several years before you can become a Canadian. Therefore, those immigrants, unless they've been unemployed for several years, ARE foreigners. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 Why? This program is directed at people who have a chronically high unemployment rate. It's designed to given Canadian citizens that haven't been here that long the ability to compete with others. This program is not designed with immigrant jobs in mind. It's straight out pandering for immigrant votes. The Liberals will be perfectly content if it doesn't wind up landing one immigrant one job so long as it fulfills its main purpose - getting immigrants to vote Liberal. Besides, if we bring over 'skilled' immigrants, which is what this program is aimed at, they ought to be able to get jobs on their own without us subsidizing them. If they can't, then why did we bring them here given their 'skills' are clearly not in much demand? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 Wrong. Hudak should differentiate himself from McGuinty. With 3 weeks to go, there's still time. Hudak is running a shitty, unimaginative campaign with poor sound bytes and lousy choices for advertising. He should be focusing on McGuinty's huge increases in spending, how his high taxes and high electricity costs have damaged manufacturing, and thus jobs, and how his dumbass green program is going to continue to raise electricity prices through the roof for all Ontarions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 Besides, if we bring over 'skilled' immigrants, which is what this program is aimed at, they ought to be able to get jobs on their own without us subsidizing them. And yet, they don't seem to be able to. That suggests some kind of bias. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Hudak is running a shitty, unimaginative campaign with poor sound bytes and lousy choices for advertising. He should be focusing on McGuinty's huge increases in spending, how his high taxes and high electricity costs have damaged manufacturing, and thus jobs, and how his dumbass green program is going to continue to raise electricity prices through the roof for all Ontarions. Maybe he's saving that? Like any race, you don't want to take the lead too far away from the finish... just leaves more time to be passed again. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Argus Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 And yet, they don't seem to be able to. That suggests some kind of bias. No, it suggests they can't speak English well enough to get a job. Stats Canada said as much in a report I posted here a while back. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 No, it suggests they can't speak English well enough to get a job. Stats Canada said as much in a report I posted here a while back. Obviously then, that's a weakness in the economy that we need to work on. Also, getting them into the work environment in the first place should help their English skills. Quote
xul Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 No, it suggests they can't speak English well enough to get a job. It sounds like "talking" is the only advantage for some guys to get their jobs.... Quote
Jack Weber Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) Newcomer to me could mean under 5 years, recent immigrant/new Canadian. Regardless, McGuinty is trending up in the polls. I'm not sure that McGuinty has to convince people why his party needs to be elected at this point... Hudak+PC Campaign is doing a good job of giving people reasons why not to vote PC... Honestly, the Liberals aren't raising in the polls on their merit. The PC's haven't created a wholesome brand this election. Calling out foreigners? might as well put a "racist redneck" stamp on Hudak's forehead. BBQ's with Rob Ford? Toxic, Rob Ford isn't popular in many areas. Hudak should have differentiated himself from other Conservatives and I think he could have walked to victory... Instead he fell into negative stereotypes. Still weeks till the election date, people will probably swing again. Here's the problem for "Wine Tasting" Tim,internally speaking.... No one is talking about the shift in who is "pulling the train" with the PC's in Ontario now.Since Norm Sterling was shown the door by some right wing kook,it's clear that the likes of Randy Hillier are beginning to form the direction of the Ontario Progressive Conservative party.That means that it's a hard shift to the right...The looney tunes right!!McGuinty's claim of "Tea Party" Tim is'nt that far off when dealing with the likes of Hillier... Edited September 14, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Wild Bill Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Here's the problem for "Wine Tasting" Tim,internally speaking.... No one is talking about the shift in who is "pulling the train" with the PC's in Ontario now.Since Norm Sterling was shown the door by some right wing kook,it's clear that the likes of Randy Hillier are beginning to form the direction of the Ontario Progressive Conservative party.That means that it's a hard shift to the right...The looney tunes right!!McGuinty's claim of "Tea Party" Tim is'nt that far off when dealing with the likes of Hillier... Does the average joe voter know or care, Jack? I think he cares more about all the promises McGuinty is making! Judging by the polls, they are working! We get what we deserve, I guess. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Argus Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Obviously then, that's a weakness in the economy that we need to work on. Also, getting them into the work environment in the first place should help their English skills. What would help is if we stop bringing over immigrants who can't speak English. It doesn't matter if a guy has six degrees in engineering if he's not capable of clear and concise communication in both writing and spoken English. No one is going to hire him and he'll wind up driving a cab. When I was hiring clerks for the federal government I never hired a single immigrants, and in all cases it was because their English was very poor and fractured. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 It sounds like "talking" is the only advantage for some guys to get their jobs.... You can't do much in a country unless you can communicate with your co-workers or the public. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 Here's the problem for "Wine Tasting" Tim,internally speaking.... No one is talking about the shift in who is "pulling the train" with the PC's in Ontario now.Since Norm Sterling was shown the door by some right wing kook,it's clear that the likes of Randy Hillier are beginning to form the direction of the Ontario Progressive Conservative party.That means that it's a hard shift to the right...The looney tunes right!!McGuinty's claim of "Tea Party" Tim is'nt that far off when dealing with the likes of Hillier... It's spurious drivel. There's one guy in their caucus who was put there because of some kind of rural landholder group. The PC party's policies are basically middle of the road from top to bottom. McGuinty is just pushing out the slime and dirt in a desperate effort to distract people from the horrifically awful job he's done as premier. I never thought I'd say this, but Bob Rae was leagues better as premier than McGuinty could ever hope to be. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 What would help is if we stop bringing over immigrants who can't speak English. The new system already does much to fix that, but we need to spend the money to help the people that are already here. Quote
PIK Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) People should not even be thinking about voting for McLiar. And to the parents out there, do you want you 6 year old learning about sex workers, female genital mutilation, palestinian solidarity. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/13/sex-workers-genital-mutilation-mentioned-in-6-year-olds-official-school-planner/ Edited September 14, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) People should not even be thinking about voting for McLiar. And to the parents out there, do you want you 6 year old learning about sex workers, female genital mutilation, palestinian solidarity. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/13/sex-workers-genital-mutilation-mentioned-in-6-year-olds-official-school-planner/ “I ripped the pages out so I wouldn’t have to explain [the concepts] to him,” he said. “Considering sex talk hasn’t started at that age yet, it’s maybe not appropriate to go into mutilation when they don’t understand their own genitalia.” Typical conservative shown in article. Article's topic is not typical of public schools. Are you going to rant about how the Liberals tried to start sex education at grade 3? Where students would learn dirty words like sperm, egg and very basic human and animal reproductive processes. Edited September 14, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
capricorn Posted September 14, 2011 Author Report Posted September 14, 2011 You can't do much in a country unless you can communicate with your co-workers or the public. I would add the requirement to read technical manuals. Of course, if it's a government job the technical manuals might be translated into 12 languages, not likely in the private sector. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
scribblet Posted September 14, 2011 Report Posted September 14, 2011 People should not even be thinking about voting for McLiar. And to the parents out there, do you want you 6 year old learning about sex workers, female genital mutilation, palestinian solidarity. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/13/sex-workers-genital-mutilation-mentioned-in-6-year-olds-official-school-planner/ All part of the indoctrination and agit prop doncha know Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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