Occupy Wall Street Sept 17 2011

[Shady]

Canada is a major centre for the abduction and exploitation of children.

Complete nonsense.

[Guest Derek L]

"not their fault" is stupid and irrelevant @-/

Despite that well known fact, hard-right-wing punitive types like yourself much prefer to spend 7 times the money so they can see people punished rather than see them grow into healthy contributing taxpayers.

And it's also a known fact that rich sociopathic predators frequent 'old boys' clubs where abducted children are sometimes the 'entertainment'. Preying on people to acquire wealth is not their only 'greed'.

I'm not accusing you personally, but most men 'in the loop' are aware of such practices, and the fact that child sex slavery rings require cooperation, collusion and customers throughout the justice/policing/governance/child care and wealth communities.

Canada is a major centre for the abduction and exploitation of children. Children taken into care are not even counted, let alone accounted for: They just 'run away'.

I think that about wraps up my involvement in this thread………

[jacee]

Complete nonsense.

And you know that how?

I do know.

[jacee]

I think that about wraps up my involvement in this thread………

Ya ... disgusting isn't it ... but true.

I just heard about another house today that was used to house kids temporarily.

And I don't go looking for this stuff.

Edited October 21, 2011 by jacee

[jacee]

Occupy Melbourne: Riot police wade in ...

Three principles for a new Wall Street

Integrity, Transparency, Embracing the commons

“What would Jesus think of Occupy Wall Street?”

Occupy Wall Street Succeeds Where Bush-Era Peace Protests Failed

And this gem ... seems to hit a nail on the head ...

A black eye for Bay Street

Spencer Lanthier, a former member of the Bank of Canada’s board, ...

“This city, this province, this country has a reputation of being the best location to carry out white-collar crime— corporate fraud—in the industrialized world.”

Anybody care to explain why a former Bank of Canada board member would say that?

Edited October 21, 2011 by jacee

[jacee]

Good ... a new index to supplement the GDP and allow us to look at whether gains in the 'economy' are producing anything of value for most Canadians. Answer: NO ... Only for the wealthy.

Our resources and people are being sucked dry and no one's quality of life is improving ... except the wealthy, assuming they care about or have quality of life beyond sucking and hoarding our money.

Index finds inequalities in Canadians' quality of life

OTTAWA — A generation of solid economic growth has meant little in the everyday lives of most Canadians according to a new index of wellbeing.

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The index suggests the middle class, in particular, is eroding.

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The Canadian Index of Wellbeing is meant to be GDP's alter ego, measuring the quality of life in society in ways gross domestic product does not.

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While GDP measures what companies and government produce, the wellbeing index measures how Canada and its people are faring. It shows that between 1994 and 2008, wellbeing improved by just 11 per cent. The economy over that period grew by 31 per cent.

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"The divergence in the (index of wellbeing) and GDP tells us emphatically that we have not been making the right investments in our people and in our communities. And we have not been doing it for a long time," the report on the index says.

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Living standards rose 26.4 per cent, but at the expense of income inequality. The rich took the lion's share.

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In other words, a typical household is now working harder and longer to keep on track financially, at the expense of having free time with family and friends, enjoying arts and culture, and volunteering."

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he work is recognized by the Organization for Economic Co- operation as leading edge.

The policy prescriptions, however, point to failures at every level of government over the past couple of decades, Romanow says -- adding that he, too, carries some of the blame.

"We all wear some of this."

[bush_cheney2004]

Another view on why OWS will ultimately fail:

Why OWS will fail

[cybercoma]

Another view on why OWS will ultimately fail:

Why OWS will fail

1. They are in the wrong place

Work has become increasingly decentralized from office towers and factory asssembly lines. We're in an era with technology and communication that allows people to work anywhere they please. At the same time it allows messages to be spread across large distances. Wall Street is as much a symbolic place as a literal one. They're in exactly the place they should be. Protesting money's influence on politics in the symbolic home of the financial elite.

2. They don’t have an agenda

They have a very clear agenda to anyone that has been paying attention: get the money out of politics. Everything else stems from this corruption of political legitimacy. Instead of being the Great Republic, the government now derives it's authority from the capital-class, rather than all of "the people".

All of these calls to for OWS to "rope all this into a 10-point plan" is nothing more than an attempt to summarily ignore or shoot down their suggestions. This is about recognizing the problem of financial corruption that is occurring and demanding that politicians gather up the nerve to actually do something about it. The ball is in their court to recognize the discontent and come up with a plan to address it.

3. The weather’s turning

Of course and it will show their resolve as people camp in Lower Manhattan throughout the winter. It only makes sense that this writer would call for protest marches where everyone goes home afterwards because it's that much easier to ignore after the event is over and people go home. It's something altogether different when people are discontent and a crowd has been camped in Lower Manhattan for over a month now.

4. Money talks.

No crap. That's the problem.

5. We’ll forget about it.

Those that are choosing to ignore it are hoping they can forget about it. People that are fed up are not going to let it die.

Arends does a great job of outlining all the reasons why people are occupying Wall Street in the first place and why it mustn't fail.

[jacee]

Great post cybercoma!

I think this is my favourite quote so far.

From a guy in a cage in Liberty Park NY:

The system of corporate greed that we have in the United States causes most of the pain and suffering in the world," says the Occupy Wall Street activist.

"It fuels our

oppresses minorities,

fuels child labour

oppresses women.

It rapes our environment,

hurts animals.

It poisons our own people.

What is there not to be pissed off about?"

The kids are AWESOME !!!

Edited October 21, 2011 by jacee

[Shady]

The system of corporate greed that we have in the United States causes most of the pain and suffering in the world," says the Occupy Wall Street activist.

Complete nonsense.

[Bonam]

Of course and it will show their resolve as people camp in Lower Manhattan throughout the winter.

How so? Some of us go camping in the winter for fun. And in the mountains too, where it gets a lot colder than it ever gets in Manhattan. If they camp through the winter, all it will show is that they stopped by their local EMS (another evil corporation?) and bought some winter camping gear.

[bush_cheney2004]

Get your Arctic Oven Extreme tents right here...only about $2,000:

http://www.alaskatent.com/oven.html

Edited October 24, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[Bonam]

Get your Arctic Oven Extreme tents right here...only about $2,000:

http://www.alaskatent.com/oven.html

A little bit overkill, but hey, seeing as how lots of the protestors seem to have tons of money to burn on expensive gadgets, why not?

[jacee]

A little bit overkill, but hey, seeing as how lots of the protestors seem to have tons of money to burn on expensive gadgets, why not?

They have lots of supporters and have collected over $400k in donations. They are looking for safe investments.

[cybercoma]

How so? Some of us go camping in the winter for fun. And in the mountains too, where it gets a lot colder than it ever gets in Manhattan. If they camp through the winter, all it will show is that they stopped by their local EMS (another evil corporation?) and bought some winter camping gear.

Good point. So the writer's point is nonsense then. The Winter will not stop the protestors. Thanks for supporting my claim.

Edited October 24, 2011 by cybercoma

[Shady]

Good point. So the writer's point is nonsense then. The Winter will not stop the protestors. Thanks for supporting my claim.

I think that the winter could stop the protesters, or at the very least dwindle their numbers.

[Moonlight Graham]

Just saw on the news that some protesters are planning to "occupy" through the winter and 2012 presidential elections. I'll give them one thing...they have commitment!

[Guest American Woman]

Just saw on the news that some protesters are planning to "occupy" through the winter and 2012 presidential elections. I'll give them one thing...they have commitment!

"Planning" and "actually doing" can be two very different things. I don't expect to see a whole lot of them out there through the winter. Sounds good to say it, though. Time will tell ............

[cybercoma]

"Planning" and "actually doing" can be two very different things. I don't expect to see a whole lot of them out there through the winter. Sounds good to say it, though. Time will tell ............

Then again you didn't expect to see many of them there by September 19 either.

[Guest American Woman]

Then again you didn't expect to see many of them there by September 19 either.

I didn't have any "expectations" at all - I barely gave it any thought - and if I recall correctly, there weren't "many" there by September 19.

Edited October 24, 2011 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

I guess when you use an astract and relative term like "many", you set yourself up to be right no matter what.

[bush_cheney2004]

Looks like 1% ain't what it used to be, and it's not found so much on Wall Street.

It turns out the finance sector only makes up 14% of the top 1% of American earners, says this CNN Money report. Executives in other industries make up more than 30% of America's richest cohort. Medical professionals compose close to 16% and lawyers are 8% of the top 1%.

Meanwhile, no one is immune to the weak economy. The threshold to make it into the 1% club was over $424,00 in 2007. Today, it's $343,927. That's in large part due to the stock market crash. The number of bankers in the elite echelon might also shrink thanks to lousy earnings on Wall Street this year. Lots of bankers, traders and hedge fund managers will still take home big six figure paychecks, but for many it will likely be less than they earned the prior year. Bonuses on Wall Street may fall as much as 40% from a year ago, reports the Wall Street Journal.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/believe-not-wall-street-doesn-t-dominate-top-183915328.html

[Moonlight Graham]

"Planning" and "actually doing" can be two very different things. I don't expect to see a whole lot of them out there through the winter. Sounds good to say it, though. Time will tell ............

lol ya.

[jbg]

The system of corporate greed that we have in the United States causes most of the pain and suffering in the world," says the Occupy Wall Street activist.

Or what about the fact that it pays most of the salaries that are earned in the world?

"It fuels our

oppresses minorities,

fuels child labour

oppresses women.

It rapes our environment,

hurts animals.

It poisons our own people.

What is there not to be pissed off about?"

The kids are AWESOME !!!

And how many of these "oppressed" minority groups treat women, animals or the environment well?

[jacee]

Source:  Environmental Advocacy Centre - Panama (CIAM) This week, in a letter to the editor of Corporate Knights magazine, the Executive Director of the Panama's Environmental Advocacy Centre say that

Toronto-based Inmet is using its inclusion on Corporate Knight's 2011 list of "Canada's Best 50 Corporate Citizens" as part of "a misleading public relations campaign."

Although the award was purportedly designed to encourage Corporate Social Responsibility, he says that in this case, "[listing Inmet] has served to hinder best practices.

It is my understanding that Corporate Knights' objective is to promote clean capitalism and to humanize the marketplace. As such, you may be interested to know that Toronto-based Inmet Mining, listed in your magazine as one of Canada's Best 50 Corporate Citizens, is behind a misleading public relations campaign in Panama.

Using the slogan important to do it well)," the company is touting Corporate Knights' listing to galvanize public support for the development of a massive open-pit copper mine in a region of the Mesoamerican Biological Corridor that includes primary rainforest. The company continues to gloss over the potentially devastating impacts of such a project.

To carry out its plans, the company is seeking a Supreme Court injunction against the area's protected status. The area has been protected from further development since a study financed by the World Bank justified the need. In other words, rather than abide by strict environmental laws, Inmet Mining is seeking to overturn protections in order to advance its financial interests. If the proposed mine comes to fruition, an area roughly the size of 5,700 soccer fields would be cleared and an estimated 15.6 million cubic metres of waste would be generated. The mine would pollute the water quality of thousands of species of plants and animals, many of which are endemic to Panama and/or currently threatened with extinction. The mine site accumulates an average rainfall of five metres per year, and that amount is expected to increase over time due to climate change.

A smaller open-pit mining project, near the proposed location for the Inmet Mining site, was unable to operate without contaminating the loca environment to an illegal degree. Thus, it is difficult to imagine how Inmet Mining's much larger project will be able to successfully avoid causing devastating environmental damage.