beeton3 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Many will not understand this even people who study economics but this is for those that do. Industry is the source of wealth in which society is built on: Build a factory, produce a product for market and purchase other industries products to support the factory and the workers. Creating more jobs to service these industries such as hospitals, schools, police, public works and so on. By the late 70’s/early 80’s plans were set in motion to dismantle Americas wealth. To do this propaganda was used to create public opinion to support this action. Furthermore you were conditioned to prepare your children to be educated and not working in industry (for a better life). As industry was dismantled the borrowing of monies from the nations receiving our industries were used to expand and support the service industries. If we didn’t borrow these funds our services would close down. Eventually hospitals, police, government, civic public work departments, schools... all of it. So knowing that this is the outcome they created a facade borrowing monies never meant to be paid back to keep these services running until they were able to dismantle enough industry to cause bankruptcy nationwide. Since this is no accident but actually a carefully constructed operation with cooperation from industry and heads of state then common sense would say that it is treason. So why would people of power wish to bankrupt America? Well probable possibilities are to allow for mass panic, fear, starvation and then ride in on a white horse saving the day where you will be glad to lose your rights in exchange for food and safety. After all a monarchy is just the families of war lords! Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Meanwhile I give this topic the attention it deserves Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
beeton3 Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Is this topic a little to real? would it be better if I discussed a foolish topic like how poor poeple were fooled into oppressing themselves from having healthcare to better pharmaceutical companies profit margins? or how Obama must be the cause of the economic problem since he clearly was in charge of borrowing monies for over 30 years. lol too much Edited July 15, 2011 by beeton3 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Burt...looks like we got a live one! Edited July 15, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
beeton3 Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Posted July 15, 2011 your right not to pay any mind now ,but do think about it when you are lined up at the soup kitchen. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 your right not to pay any mind now ,but do think about it when you are lined up at the soup kitchen. What if we don't like soup? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 What if we don't like soup? Then we line up for word salad.. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shwa Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 What if we don't like soup? Better yet, who will make this soup? Surely not from a can if the "industry" sector has collapsed. Good bye Campbells, your tomato soup was awesome. At least we will not have shortfall of people to serve the soup. Hey, who will make the spoons and bowls and refrigerators and stoves and building materials? And the shoes that people will use when they walk into the soup kitchen? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Many will not understand this even people who study economics but this is for those that do. Industry is the source of wealth in which society is built on: Build a factory, produce a product for market and purchase other industries products to support the factory and the workers. Creating more jobs to service these industries such as hospitals, schools, police, public works and so on. By the late 70’s/early 80’s plans were set in motion to dismantle Americas wealth. To do this propaganda was used to create public opinion to support this action. Furthermore you were conditioned to prepare your children to be educated and not working in industry (for a better life). As industry was dismantled the borrowing of monies from the nations receiving our industries were used to expand and support the service industries. If we didn’t borrow these funds our services would close down. Eventually hospitals, police, government, civic public work departments, schools... all of it. So knowing that this is the outcome they created a facade borrowing monies never meant to be paid back to keep these services running until they were able to dismantle enough industry to cause bankruptcy nationwide. Since this is no accident but actually a carefully constructed operation with cooperation from industry and heads of state then common sense would say that it is treason. So why would people of power wish to bankrupt America? Well probable possibilities are to allow for mass panic, fear, starvation and then ride in on a white horse saving the day where you will be glad to lose your rights in exchange for food and safety. After all a monarchy is just the families of war lords! Let me take off me gold coated helmet for a moment and speak on this. He or she is absolutely spot on. You might wonder why the lunitic Oleg the Bach is in agreement? Let me go back in time - I had the misfortune as a young man to envolve myself with very very ambtious people - it was not by choice but by circumstance. These people go way back - they are what we call, establishment. These Candians were traders in all sorts of things and the original wealth never came about through industry but like other war lords through attacking and profiting through human weakenss. These "Candians had American partners and they made great profits in the selling of alcohol - much like their British counter parts made their original wealth in opium. Time passes - these barons have children - they attend the best schools - they graduate with law degrees. They continue with the work of their fathers in now so-called legitimate buisness. They become the quiet corporates that slowly through mulitiple aquistions eventually own or control just about everything - TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE MATERIAL SUCCESS. What next you ask with this quiet and cunning elite? It is no longer about money - or the domination of the banks - and no they are not Jewish - just old guys who's fathers were in partnership with Americans who slowly presented their sons as presidents and so on. The game began to shift to something else - Total domination of as much humanity as possible - It was the great thrill and the height of a thing called power! Are these 65 to 75 year old guys war lords? Of course they are...just the bloodless kind..They continued to take more and more control - Prime Ministers - judges - governments in general were under their gentle and incrimental influence. Are they loyal to their nations of origin? Certainly not - they think on a global scale and are very proud of that fact. To enslave the whole human race is the ultimate goal. They are not conspiratoral types - nor do they belong to mysterious clubs or societies. They do not race around in a Porche` - or are big black cars driven by others their style. This is what happens to Captialism once the pinacle of success is reached - satisfaction wains and like a drug addict they need bigger and stronger doses of power. They are not the most gifted or the most intelligent..nor are they nobles or aristocrats - They dispise aristocracy ...and any person of noble intent or breeding...they are war lords and in in another era would ride a large black horse and take care of the estate - the estate called America..Where the quality of human life of the average citizen is of little importance - They rationalize cruel and sophisitcated traitorism ...with the idea that human nature is basically bad - and dominating bad humans is okay with them. Who ever controls the money supply and the generation of false and useless money seems to rule - The reality is that they control human systems - and we common human beings have one weakness - the love of money - and they prey on that! Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Burt...looks like we got a live one! Have no concern...just feed it till it bloats....and pops.. Of course he's on the right track - so what...if you want to change the world - change yourself - every dark secret can be revealed and it does not change anything - forget about the mystery and take care of number one - Those that pay to much attention to the villians of the world assist in the growth of evil. The people who we speak about in regards to power mongering - Just LOVE IT - when folks talk about how powerful they are...ignore the man behind the curtain Dorthy. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Better yet, who will make this soup? Surely not from a can if the "industry" sector has collapsed. Good bye Campbells, your tomato soup was awesome. Campbells? Yuch! Back in the 60's I had a dog that refused to eat cheap-ass-10-cents-a-can dog food. He would rather lose weight or raid garbage cans than sink to that level. Soup lines are for the dogs without any pride! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Beeton3, I suggest that you read a good book about America's banking/monetary history. Galbraith's history of money is not bad. This recent housing bubble (and its collapse) is not new; Americans have lived through many other financial bubbles, and panics. America, what a country! Edited July 15, 2011 by August1991 Quote
punked Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 I like french onion soup the best! Finally something we agree on. Quote
Shady Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Finally something we agree on. Excellent! Quote
charter.rights Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Better yet, who will make this soup? Surely not from a can if the "industry" sector has collapsed. Good bye Campbells, your tomato soup was awesome. At least we will not have shortfall of people to serve the soup. Hey, who will make the spoons and bowls and refrigerators and stoves and building materials? And the shoes that people will use when they walk into the soup kitchen? I know how to make, knives, spoons and bowls by hand. I also know how to work pottery and wood with hand tools. But I won't make them for an industry. I would spend my time eating my own foods and letting others eat with their fingers.....heathens... Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
AngusThermopyle Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 I like french onion soup the best! Me too, but I also love a good bowl of Lobster chowder as well. Will the soup kitchens have Lobster chowder? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 So where is the soup?!? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 This recent housing bubble (and its collapse) is not new; Americans have lived through many other financial bubbles, and panics. I've said this myself on Mapleleafweb more than once. Of course it got no comment. When the truth doesn't fit the agenda, the truth is simply ignored. Evidently some have a real need to believe the U.S. is on the verge of collapse. Too bad they're in for a disappointment. America, what a country! Thank you. And of course it goes without saying that other countries have faced financial ups and downs and lived through them, too. But again, that goes against the whole 'the U.S. is doomed' mindset of some people ............. Quote
sharkman Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 I've said this myself on Mapleleafweb more than once. Of course it got no comment. When the truth doesn't fit the agenda, the truth is simply ignored. Evidently some have a real need to believe the U.S. is on the verge of collapse. Too bad they're in for a disappointment. Thank you. And of course it goes without saying that other countries have faced financial ups and downs and lived through them, too. But again, that goes against the whole 'the U.S. is doomed' mindset of some people ............. Yes, there have been many housing bubbles before, this is true. But what August didn't mention is that what the US is going through is much more than a housing bubble. Question: how many times in the last 50 years has the US been forced by necessity to raise its debt ceiling? Did any any of you hear that S&P has publicly announced that they will lower the credit rating of the US if the raise the debt ceiling? I said that this is much more than a housing bubble. What is happening in the EU is historic. What is happening in the ME is historic. Then there is the American dollar dropping over 2 years straight. Then there is oil at $90+ a barrel with damaging spikes(Never has there been such a transfer of wealth there). Then there is the American job growth rate. Then there is the defaulting of mortgages. Then there is Obama racking up debt like a fool. Rub all those facts together and what do you get? Nobody wants to look at the big picture, they laugh it off and make light of it. Maybe nothing will come of it and everything will be peachy keen. But you have to admit it is unprecedented. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 Question: how many times in the last 50 years has the US been forced by necessity to raise its debt ceiling? The US has raised the "debt ceiling" about 100 times since 1917. If it hadn't, we might be speaking German...or Russian. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
charter.rights Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 I've said this myself on Mapleleafweb more than once. Of course it got no comment. When the truth doesn't fit the agenda, the truth is simply ignored. Evidently some have a real need to believe the U.S. is on the verge of collapse. Too bad they're in for a disappointment. Thank you. And of course it goes without saying that other countries have faced financial ups and downs and lived through them, too. But again, that goes against the whole 'the U.S. is doomed' mindset of some people ............. When the President of the US warns that they may not be able to pay government employees or soldiers in the Army, I would say that you are in a crisis. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Wilber Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) The US has raised the "debt ceiling" about 100 times since 1917. If it hadn't, we might be speaking German...or Russian. The only "debt ceiling" is your ability to service the debt. Certainly, the US is not Greece when it comes to its ability to pay but the question in lender's minds is whether your political system is capable of finding its way out of this mess. To outside observers, that is far from certain and they after all, are your creditors. The level of partisanship concerning something so serious is not reassuring and the real possibility of default is quite new territory for the US, or that is how it is perceived by the rest of the world, who are your creditors. Edited July 16, 2011 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 The only "debt ceiling" is your ability to service the debt. Certainly, the US is not Greece when it comes to its ability to pay but the question in lender's minds is whether your political system is capable of finding its way out of this mess. To outside observers, that is far from certain and they after all, are your creditors. The US can service the debt irrespective of the debt ceiling....other domestic outlays would just have to be curtailed. Treasury will give priority to paying the debt over NPR. The level of partisanship concerning something so serious is not reassuring and the real possibility of default is quite new territory for the US, or that is how it is perceived by the rest of the world, who are your creditors. No, this juncture has come and gone many times since at least 1985. It is not new at all, even for the "rest of the world". What is different perhaps is the current state of economic health and other pending EU insolvencies concurrent with domestic American politics as usual. Americas largest creditors are....other Americans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 The US can service the debt irrespective of the debt ceiling....other domestic outlays would just have to be curtailed. Treasury will give priority to paying the debt over NPR. Hope so but doesn't your Treasury answer to Congress? No, this juncture has come and gone many times since at least 1985. It is not new at all, even for the "rest of the world". What is different perhaps is the current state of economic health and other pending EU insolvencies concurrent with domestic American politics as usual. Americas largest creditors are....other Americans. Possibly but how long could you carry on with Americans as your only new creditors? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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