DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2011 Report Posted May 23, 2011 Nope...Israel's enemies were just "propped up" with inferior hardware, training, and leadership. A common error amoung the pro-Arab crowd...thinking Israel's 1967 victory was US supplied. Most Israeli equipment was French and WW2 surplus @ that point...bought and paid for. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2011 Report Posted May 23, 2011 Yes, it's really simple. Arabs called for extermination of Jews. No Jews called for extermination of Arabs. Hitler's Mein Kampf was the bestseller in Arab countries as nowhere else. The Palestinian Cause is the dream of a former SS man. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
noahbody Posted May 23, 2011 Report Posted May 23, 2011 I wonder what Obama would say to the proposal that the native land that Canada improperly turned over to the USA when the border was formed be returned to its rightful owners. Quote
Saipan Posted May 23, 2011 Report Posted May 23, 2011 If Obama has any balls at all he can tell the Chinese to pull out of Tibet and end the long occupation. Quote
RNG Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) If Obama has any balls at all he can tell the Chinese to pull out of Tibet and end the long occupation. I'm of Ukrainian heritage. Both my parents were born in Canada but all four of my grandparents were born in the Ukraine. Does that mean I can sue the descendent's of just about everyone from Attila the Hun, through Hannibal and Peter the Great and on and on for having stomped on my homeland? Get a grip. Spoils of war is a real thing. Edited May 23, 2011 by RNG Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Saipan Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 I'm of Ukrainian heritage. Both my parents were born in Canada but all four of my grandparents were born in the Ukraine. Does that mean I can sue the descendent's of just about everyone from Attila the Hun, through Hannibal and Peter the Great and on and on for having stomped on my homeland? Get a grip. Spoils of war is a real thing. What that has to do with pulling out of Tibet, or suing anyone? Didn't the Russians pull out of Ukraine yet? What war? Quote
BubberMiley Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I didn't know whether what he/she/it said makes sense in Canadian? It makes no sense in English. :lol: Canadian versus English. SO true! Please repeat that joke over and over some more. I can't get enough of it! Almost as good as tales of dead fathers and McGovern-lovin. Edited May 24, 2011 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Battletoads Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 When Chretien opposed Bush Jnr and the Iraq war, Canada's Left applauded Chretien's "statement of independence". Now, when Harper opposes the policy of a different American regime, Canada's Left disagrees with our PM. WTF? "We're not going to spend billions on a stupid war" -Chretien vs "Obamas Wrong, pay more attention to me" -Harper (Paraphrasing of course) Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
jbg Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 What that has to do with pulling out of Tibet, or suing anyone? What he's pointing out is that the Great Rift Valley of Africa would be a very crowded place if everyone had to return to some ancestral homeland to make way for some indigenous people. There have been vast human movements, some caused by war, some caused by hunger, some grounded in opportunity, most a mixture of those. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
RNG Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Posted May 24, 2011 What war? Every Israel-Arab (you put in the variant) war since 1948. The Israelis kicked butt every time. So they get the spoils of war. As much as I don't like a bunch of the stuff they do, they never started any of them. And before you start blathering, lobbing mortars and crude missiles into Israeli territory is starting a war. Deal with it. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Bryan Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Every Israel-Arab (you put in the variant) war since 1948. The Israelis kicked butt every time. So they get the spoils of war. If "to the victors go the spoils" is a legitimate claim, an awful lot of injustices would go unchecked. The same logic would certainly make for a much different dynamic with regards to aboriginal land claims over here, that's for sure. Quote
Saipan Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Aborigianl lands were paid for many times over. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 If "to the victors go the spoils" is a legitimate claim, an awful lot of injustices would go unchecked. The same logic would certainly make for a much different dynamic with regards to aboriginal land claims over here, that's for sure. Explain why a country should be allowed to attack another without any form of punishment for the action. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Can anyone explain why only one ancient people's land claim is apparently more valid than virtually everyone else that's been hard-done by at some point in their history? Did people rattle off their references to Huns, Mohawks and Prussians etc etc when Britain produced it's Balfour Declaration? That said I truly have to marvel at how Britain has managed to slough off so much responsibility for the issue it created when it should be front and center in every negotiation or crisis that revolves around it. Edited May 24, 2011 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Bryan Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Explain why a country should be allowed to attack another without any form of punishment for the action. Considering that's pretty much the opposite of what I said, I'm not sure why I would need to explain it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Can anyone explain why only one ancient people's land claim is apparently more valid than virtually everyone else that's been hard-done by at some point in their history? Because they can back up their claim with military force, just like any other nation. Nobody has the right to land, just the opportunity to defend possession. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Remiel Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Explain why a country should be allowed to attack another without any form of punishment for the action. Explain why the people that are being punished now (Palestinians) are rather conspicuously not the same people who started those wars (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan). Edited May 24, 2011 by Remiel Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Explain why the people that are being punished now (Palestinians) are rather conspicuously not the same people who started those wars (Egypy, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan). Because they kill Israelis? Just a guess.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Explain why the people that are being punished now (Palestinians) are rather conspicuously not the same people who started those wars (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan). Oh, the Mufti's men were also @ war with Israel. They kicked-off the festivities in 1948. Edited May 24, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Can anyone explain why only one ancient people's land claim is apparently more valid than virtually everyone else that's been hard-done by at some point in their history? Did people rattle off their references to Huns, Mohawks and Prussians etc etc when Britain produced it's Balfour Declaration? That said I truly have to marvel at how Britain has managed to slough off so much responsibility for the issue it created when it should be front and center in every negotiation or crisis that revolves around it. The Brits paid for that privilege during WW1 to the tune of tens of thousands of Allied casualties. Edited May 24, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Because they can back up their claim with military force, just like any other nation. Nobody has the right to land, just the opportunity to defend possession. A cold beer for BC2004. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Considering that's pretty much the opposite of what I said, I'm not sure why I would need to explain it. But that's what happened to Israel 3 times. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 A cold beer for BC2004. Thanks...but it's my turn to buy. Cheers! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Because they can back up their claim with military force, just like any other nation. Nobody has the right to land, just the opportunity to defend possession. Or the opportunity to take it away or back for that matter. I get it now. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 Or the opportunity to take it away or back for that matter. I get it now. The Arabs give it the ol' college try every so often. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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