Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 It does not matter if statements are true. If the statement implies something that is false or unprovable such as "A sexual act for money" when that is unprovable it is Libel. Sorry. How can you possibly prove what a statement is meant to imply? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
betsy Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) As is the fact that there's nothing wrong with it. As I've said. Are you playing dumb here? Wording aside, I think it's obvious that what was meant, and you are engaging in it full force. But yes, of course, a wet Kleenex is synonymous with sex. Every time I see a co-worker throwing a wet kleenex away I think, 'omg! she just had sex!' So, give me the meaning of "premature" allegation! That's two of you who've used that word....I never heard of that. So what does it means? It should be the point. That it's not says a lot about where you are coming from. Without it, there is no "sex scandal." In my view, this is not a sex scandal! I've explained my position...but I couldn't help the pun on the premature-thingy! I don't think I'd find going for a massage any more or less something to be "discreet about" if I were in political office. Are you a priest? Are you in politics? So anyone who goes for a massage could easily be victimized in a blackmail scheme? And you blame the innocent party? Why of course! That's why you need to know the reputtation of the establishment or the person giving you the massage! What more when you're in politics! Who was that US politician (or was he a celebrity) just recently who got allegedly exposed by a massage-lady who met him at a hotel? I can't remember his name! Edited April 30, 2011 by betsy Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Continue being purposely obtuse. We all know what kind of massage he was at a bawdy house for. Read the police report for yourself. Continue inventing facts out of your hatred for Layton. The policemen's notes are clear enough on the fact that they had no reason to arrest him.Feel free or course to argue that the ultra-left-wing Sun media hid something from the police notes that you happen to know about. Quote
betsy Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) You've lost me. I don't understand what that has to do with going for a massage........ The bad guys can set you up. Much more easy if the massage girl is an accomplice. Gets you photographed in compromising situations. Then they shake you down. They either ask for money....or "favors." If you're a politician, those "favors" could be anything! The policemen warned the councillor about the dangers of hanging out in suspected bawdy houses that could be run by Asian triads. "I remembered lecturing him on a lot of these triads, they'd videotape the customers and extort them afterwards. Jack went pale. I said to him you have to understand it's quite possible," he says. http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-house-former-cop American Woman:Lectured? The cops told him that the establishment he was at was in question and advised him not to come back. I don't see that as a lecture, nor do I see it as humiliating. Did they advise him not to get massages? Lecture him on the evils of going for a massage? Did they lecture him on how easily he could be victimized by the opposing party members by going for a massage? If so, I missed that. Could you provide a link, please? Along with the "she was naked too" link that I'm still waiting for? "I remembered lecturing him on a lot of these triads, they'd videotape the customers and extort them afterwards. Jack went pale. I said to him you have to understand it's quite possible," he says. http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29/layton-found-in-toronto-bawdy-house-former-cop Edited April 30, 2011 by betsy Quote
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I wonder if there's even one person in here whose vote would depend on the truth or falsehood of these allegations. If people's votes aren't affected by this story, then it is indeed an irrelevant story. Not me. And it wouldn't matter if he was a Tory. I don't vote for people based on whether they like to have sex with willing people or not. The 'massage therapist' who was with him was in her mid twenties, didn't speak much English and 'just started the other day'. From reading that, I rather doubt she was the sort of 'registered massage therapists' that respectable massage clinics employ. If it was someone who had made a career out of moralizing such things, ie, Stockwell Day, or someone similar that would affect my vote. But if his wife has no problem with him wanting a 'massage' from a pretty Asian girl then I don't either. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 At worst, Jack Layton did not check carefully enough into the establishment he went to for his massage. Once again, end of story. I would think that if you show up at a clinic and it's dimly lit and peopled by pretty asian girls you might be expected to have some suspicions about its purpose. :-) Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 You miss the whole point here. The real problem he has with Layton is that he... gasp... married a non-white. Drivel Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
kimmy Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I don't get the threats of libel here, the OP has linked to a an account of an incident in the public, mainstream media. There were a number of threads on this topic last night, that were merged into this thread. Some of those threads contained posts that absolutely veered into libel territory. Those posts have been deleted, and deservedly so. The posts that remain might not look like libel, and complaints about libel might seem out of place right now, but some of the stuff that was removed was absolutely over the line, and the moderators were completely correct in removing it. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shady Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Continue inventing facts out of your hatred for Layton. The policemen's notes are clear enough on the fact that they had no reason to arrest him. Yes, they had no reason to arrest him. But that doesn't discount the questions pertaining to this incident. Questions that Layton himself either couldn't, or refused to answer at the time. Quote
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 In my humble opinion, the political discourse in Canada in all respects is just as infantile, disrespectful, dishonest, and stupid as in America. This is true across all avenues: media, politicians, political interest groups, and dinner tables. I disagree completely. The political discourse in the US has been ruled by largely irrelevant hot-button issues for twenty five or thirty years now: abortion, guns and gays. There are immense numbers of Americans who are obsessed with those topics, and they tend to be used as a screening subject on every political issue and job, from local prosecuting attorney, local city council and mayor up to and including whether a person is or is not acceptable as a Supreme Court judge or presidential candidate. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Drivel Considering that mikedavid is unable to write more than two consecutive postings without complaining about immigrants, especially non-white immigrants, it is not far-fetched to conclude that one of the problems he has with Layton is his wife. That being said, nice to see you don't notice sarcasm when it's right in front of you. Quote
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Every pro-athlete on any sports team better watch themselves for all that criminal behaviour that goes on in the locker-room with their paid trainers. I doubt those paid trainers are pretty young Asian girls. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Shady Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 There were a number of threads on this topic last night, that were merged into this thread. Some of those threads contained posts that absolutely veered into libel territory. Those posts have been deleted, and deservedly so. The posts that remain might not look like libel, and complaints about libel might seem out of place right now, but some of the stuff that was removed was absolutely over the line, and the moderators were completely correct in removing it. -k Why is libel being taken into account now regarding posts when it never has before? I can think of dozens and dozens of libelous things said in respect to Stephen Harper, his cabinet members, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin, etc. But now all of a sudden this becomes an issue? Interesting. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 The bad guys can set you up. So you admit that Layton didn't do anything wrong and so far as to say he might have even been set up. Well that's an interesting shift in perspective. Quote
betsy Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 It was Al Gore who found himself in the spotlight not too long ago....over an alleged incident that happened in 2006. “In December 2006, a local attorney contacted the Portland Police Bureau and said he had a client that wanted to report an unwanted sexual contact by Mr. Gore,” the police statement said. “This allegation stemmed from an incident on Oct. 24, 2006, when the woman involved, a Licensed Massage Therapist, was called to a local hotel to provide a massage to Mr. Gore.”Sexual assault detectives opened an investigation and attempted to get a statement from the victim. After three canceled interviews, the woman’s attorney told police they had decided to pursue civil litigation. But in early 2009, the woman changed courses and met with detectives. She gave police a very detailed description of her encounter with Gore at the Hotel Lucia. After interviewing the woman, police concluded there was insufficient evidence to support the allegations. The masseuse contacted police earlier this month when to ask for a copy of her statement, which she told police she was going to take to the media. http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/oregon-masseuse-accuses-al-gore-sexual-assault Whether you are innocent or not will not matter in the end. Your name will get tarnished. So if you've got a reputation to protect, you've got to be more careful. The media will lap it up....sensationalism sells! Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Yes, they had no reason to arrest him. Thanks for admitting it. The rest is at best gossip, at wrose outright lie. But hey, keep being entertaining... not too long though, I have some grocery shopping to do. Quote
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 IF it wasn't so important back in 1996, why is it important now? For the same reason so many people paid so little attention to the NDP's dumb economic policies before but now are scrutinizing them more carefully. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Shady Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I doubt those paid trainers are pretty young Asian girls. Exactly. But regardless, if they're exchanging money for sex acts, then yes, they should watch themselves. You gotta love Jack "John" Layton is just like a professional athlete comparison though! Quote
cybercoma Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Yes, they had no reason to arrest him. But that doesn't discount the questions pertaining to this incident. Questions that Layton himself either couldn't, or refused to answer at the time. Are you suggesting that the police are incompetent? That they allowed a criminal to go free because they didn't ask the right questions? Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Is it wrong that i think i like Jack Layton MORE for going into an asian massage parlour and possibly getting jerked? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Scotty Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 You're implying university students are idiots that can't think for themselves. I would never imply such a thing, myself. I might SAY it outright, of course. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Shady Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Is it wrong that i think i like Jack Layton MORE for going into an asian massage parlour and possibly getting jerked? Not at all. It's just that some people here are being obtuse, and can't admit the possibility, regarding the details of the story. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I doubt those paid trainers are pretty young Asian girls. Different strokes for different folks. [/cliche] [/pun] Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Why is libel being taken into account now regarding posts when it never has before? I can think of dozens and dozens of libelous things said in respect to Stephen Harper, his cabinet members, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin, etc. But now all of a sudden this becomes an issue? Interesting. Calling Harper a dictaor, or spewing venom over Obama, is political opinion. Accusing someone of a crime he did not commit is a different matter. Feel free not to see the difference. Quote
Shady Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Are you suggesting that the police are incompetent? That they allowed a criminal to go free because they didn't ask the right questions? Not having enough evidence to arrest somebody isn't the same as being incompetent. Quote
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