kimmy Posted April 8, 2014 Report Posted April 8, 2014 Also in 3 years Arya and Bran won't look young anymore. No kidding... I think Maisie might be a foot taller than when we first met her. I'll have to have a look at some season 1 to compare to present day. I think this might be the first time we've seen her smile since season 1 as well. I loved the scene with Arya and The Hound so much. If there's one thing we've learned, it's that if Sandor Clegane wants chicken, you should get him a chicken. It reminded me a bit of Jules Winston and the Big Kahuna Burger, or Colonel Landa and the glass of milk. And the closing shot: despite what Sandor had said earlier, Arya has her own horse. They often use different music for the closing credits, and the closing music they used in this episode was particularly lovely. So... that Dornish prince knows how to make an entrance. So... Dario the mercenary is a completely different dude than last season. I read somewhere that Dario v1.0 has been cast as the new star of the Transporter movies, and they picked a new Dario because they were concerned that he wouldn't be available for shooting. Dario v1.0 was sexy. Dario 2.0 seemed pretty meh. I wonder if Cersei's suddenly cold demeanor towards Jaime is her way of pushing him to move on with his life. It would be the best thing she could do for him. Being Lord of Casterly Rock would be a sweet gig. He's a moron for passing that up to be with a woman he can never actually have. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Boges Posted April 8, 2014 Report Posted April 8, 2014 Jamie gave two clear reasons why he wouldn't do what his dad wants. He doesn't want to break his oath and of course he's hoping for some to do some more baddila baddila with his sister. And of course having a character so interesting as him is lost not being in King's Landing. The new Dario is better, the old actor came off as a douche and they did do a poor job giving him the advantage over Danny. Every scene with them together she acted like a smitten schoolgirl. The clearly needed to change the channel on their dynamic. The Dornish Prince parts were my least favourite parts of the episode, tolken boobs shots excluded of course. We'll see where his story leads. Quote
Mighty AC Posted April 8, 2014 Report Posted April 8, 2014 I wonder if Cersei's suddenly cold demeanor towards Jaime is her way of pushing him to move on with his life. It would be the best thing she could do for him. Being Lord of Casterly Rock would be a sweet gig. He's a moron for passing that up to be with a woman he can never actually have. Cersei is the only girl/woman he's ever loved or been with and he wants to be near her. He's the father of her kids (though I don't think he has any real fondness for Jof) and has loved her since they were children. He would gladly serve as the lord of the rock if he could openly marry Cersei, like the Targaryens always did. Also, honour is important to him, even though his rep is in shambles. His character seems to do the right thing unless Cersei is involved. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 I know everyone will want to talk about the death of douche Joffery. It's called the Purple Wedding cause of the colour of his face GET IT!!! They certainly played up his douchbaggery in the moments leading up his death. I still think Cersei is the show's biggest heel going forward. My favourite part of the show, though, was the dynamic between Rooth Bolton and his bastard son Ramsay. You can tell Rooth is a much better competitor in the "Game of Thrones" than Rob Stark was. He didn't let pesky things like love get in the way, he married whatever girl Walder Frey had him marry. Now they know the Stark boys are alive and Ramsay needs to prove himself by going up against the Iron Islanders, think there'll be a reunion coming soon with dear sister? Stannis, The Red Witch and the Lord of Light bore me though. I guess there next story arc is assisting the Knight's Watch against the Wildlings and the White Walkers, so I guess that's sort of cool. Quote
kimmy Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 :D :lol: The whole wedding feast was pretty awesome. I mean, the result, obviously, but everything leading up to it was filled with that knot-in-the-stomach tension that makes this show so riveting. Starting at the dwarf pageant and proceeding right through the confrontation between Joffrey and Tyrion... that growing sense of dread... something horrible is going to happen. And the outcome was unexpected and delightful. I wasn't sure it was really going to happen until the blood vessels in his skin and eyes started bursting. Then I was like "yep... this is really happening! He's not coming back from this!" And the best part is that Cersei got to watch helplessly. Maybe she has an inkling how Cat Stark felt now. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Boges Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) So is the Rains of Castamere the Top of the Pops in Westeros? Traditional Wedding song? Or just the foreshadower of death? Apparently the band that was playing it that Joffery threw coins at was some real band, I've never heard of called Sigur Ros. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3QW8PVyyNM#t=27 Edited April 14, 2014 by Boges Quote
kimmy Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) So is the Rains of Castamere the Top of the Pops in Westeros? Traditional Wedding song? Or just the foreshadower of death? I was wondering too, because "The Rains of Castamere" was also the episode title of season 3, episode 9 ("the Red Wedding episode"), so I looked it up. Remember last season when Cersei took Maergery aside and told her the story about House Reyne of Castamere, "the second richest family in Westeros", the Lannister bannermen who decided to rebel against the Lannisters? Tywin extincted the Reyne family, killing every last man, woman, and child, and hung their remains from the walls of Casterly Rock as a warning to every other family in the Westlands who might have had notions of rebelling against the Lannisters. (Cersei pointedly notes that the Tyrells are the second richest family in Westeros, and suggests that Maergery learn from the error of the Reynes.) Minstrels wrote "The Rains of Castamere" about Tywin's slaughter of the Reynes, and became popular with Lannister soldiers, to the point that it became known as simply "the Lannister song". The "cat of a different coat... a coat of gold or a coat of red" refers to the Reyne sigil, which was a red lion, and the rebellion was nicknamed the clash of lions. I just read that the minstrels playing "The Rains of Castamere" was the signal for the slaughter of the Starks and Tullys to begin at the Red Wedding, and Catelyn was the only one who recognized the song, although it by then it was too late. And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low? Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know. In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws, And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours. And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that Lord of Castamere, But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear. Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear. -k Edited April 15, 2014 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bleeding heart Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 I was surprised and gratified to see Joffrey go.... And the reaction of "The Mother of Madness," as Tyrion so aptly called her, was priceless. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
overthere Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Peter Dinklage is such a terrific actor. At the end of the episode, he is wonderful standing all by his small self holding the (perhaps poisoned) wine cup with a profound WTF look on his face while Cersei vents her rage at him. Edited April 15, 2014 by overthere Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 And the outcome was unexpected and delightful. I wasn't sure it was really going to happen until the blood vessels in his skin and eyes started bursting. Then I was like "yep... this is really happening! He's not coming back from this!" And the best part is that Cersei got to watch helplessly. Maybe she has an inkling how Cat Stark felt now. the power and reach of the 'Littlefinger'??? Quote
kimmy Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 the power and reach of the 'Littlefinger'??? Hadn't even thought of him. What might be his motive, unless it was revenge for Catelyn? The guy with the obvious motive would be the Dornish prince, of course, but that would be way too obvious I think. I don't know if there are any Stark/Tully/Arryn allies who could have pulled it off. Lord Varys is sneaky enough to pull it off, and says that he only wants to do what's best for the Kingdom. A dead Joffrey is a good thing for the Kingdom... The Tyrells obviously wouldn't want Joffrey killed before the marriage got consumated. Whoever was behind it might have had the opposite motive: make sure that the marriage didn't get consumated... make sure that Maergery didn't wind up with the next heir in her belly. Joffrey's younger brother (Tommyn? I forget) was on screen for the first time in a while. I assume that with Joffrey dead, he is first in line. hmmm What if it was an inside job?! What if one of the Lannisters came up with the plot? "Joffrey's a psycho and a loose cannon. He'll be the ruin of our House. Tommyn's a better choice." But if that was the idea, you wouldn't think they'd have waited until the wedding. Recently saw this picture of Jack Gleeson with what appears to be fan art: I hate to disagree, but I think Joffrey got cured on Sunday. Jack Gleeson has had the somewhat thankless job of portraying one of the most hated TV characters in the history of TV characters over the past few years. I gather he's a likeable young man when he's off screen, but he is doomed to being "you! you're that bastard from the TV show!" for years to come. Farewell Jack. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Remember Sansa was offered a chance to leave King's Landing by Littlefinger. I believe she stayed because of the promise of being married off to Sir Loras Tyrell but that got squashed pretty quickly by Tywin Lannister. With Joffery out of the way she can make a clean break. It's interesting that the guy who Sansa saved in the beginning of Season 3, The King's Fool, has made consecutive appearances with Sansa. I wonder if he'll be a recurring character. The way the guy came immediately to Sansa as Joffery was writhing on the floor it certainly appeared to be a broad conspiracy sort of like Operation Valkyrie in WW2. Edited April 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
bleeding heart Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Kimmy's probably right about the fine young actor...and just ask the Seinfeld cast what it means to be typecast. On the other hand, actors are always saying how much fun it is to play a villain. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
waldo Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Hadn't even thought of him. What might be his motive, unless it was revenge for Catelyn? Littlefinger... the master plotter... needs a motive? He's just... Littlefinger! But then we see how the Fool quickly moved to get Sansa away from the aftermath... and there is that past Littlefinger interest in Sansa. The Fool has motive enough in how he was de-knighted and how Joffrey plays him, but the Fool seems too obvious a candidate... and does he have the means to carry it out? Follow the cup and the last carafe fill into it - how could the poison get into the carafe/cup??? Quote
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Littlefinger... the master plotter... needs a motive? He's just... Littlefinger! But then we see how the Fool quickly moved to get Sansa away from the aftermath... and there is that past Littlefinger interest in Sansa. The Fool has motive enough in how he was de-knighted and how Joffrey plays him, but the Fool seems too obvious a candidate... and does he have the means to carry it out? Follow the cup and the last carafe fill into it - how could the poison get into the carafe/cup??? You're venturing very close to spoiler territory. What did the Fool give to Sansa, recently? Edited April 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) You're venturing very close to spoiler territory. What did the Fool give to Sansa, recently? venturing? Talk about the Fool! I know nothing beyond this latest episode... it's conveniently sliced up into several vids; I've been interested enough to play the a couple through a few times. When I said 'follow the Cup', to you that's a spoiler??? Are you suggesting the poison made it's way into Joffrey in another manner/vehicle? I can't recall... what did the Fool give to Sansa? But hey, only answer that if you're not "venturing too close to spoler territory"!!! . Edited April 17, 2014 by waldo Quote
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) venturing? Talk about the Fool! I know nothing beyond this latest episode... it's conveniently sliced up into several vids; I've been interested enough to play the a couple through a few times. When I said 'follow the Cup', to you that's a spoiler??? Are you suggesting the poison made it's way into Joffrey in another manner/vehicle? I can't recall... what did the Fool give to Sansa? But hey, only answer that if you're not "venturing too close to spoler territory"!!! . I'm one of those people that know a little bit of what happens but not enough to actually draw accurate conclusions what scenes we see in the show really do matter going forward. This is a guess, more than it is actual fact on what I've heard. Sansa was given a jewel by the Fool in the previous episode. Why is this important to the plot of the series? Either in introduces the Fool as a character that wasn't just a passing example of Joffery's cruelty and Sansa's kindness, meaning he's an relevant character going forward, OR he set the pieces in place for an assassination attempt. I honestly am not sure which is the accurate answer, or if either are. But I think it's obvious the death of Joffery was a conspiracy and not a simple act of murder. Which is why I draw comparisons to Operation Valkyrie. Edited April 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I'm one of those people that know a little bit of what happens but not enough to actually draw conclusions to what happened. This is a guess, more than it is actual fact on what I've heard. Sansa was given a jewel by the Fool in the previous episode. Why is this important to the plot of the series? Either in introduces the Fool as a character that wasn't just a passing example of Joffery's cruelty and Sansa's kindness, meaning he's an relevant character going forward, OR he set the pieces in place for an assassination attempt. I honestly am not sure which is the accurate answer, or if either are. But I think it's obvious the death of Joffery was an conspiracy and not a simple act of murder. Which is why I draw comparisons to Operation Valkyrie. and yet you felt obligated to suggest I was 'close to spoiling'? Quote
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) I guess this is dicey territory in the spoiler realm. It's a "Who Shot JR" moment where the source material is readily available. A guess of Littlefinger seems odd, since he wasn't present, until you think about it for a minute and his history with Sansa. Edited April 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 and yet you felt obligated to suggest I was 'close to spoiling'? Quote
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I thought you were. . . c'est la vie. My bad if that's not the case. Quote
waldo Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) ya, why bother with this thread anymore! You'll only have some wag suggest you're about to spoil... while the wag, at the same time, suggests he doesn't actually know anything! Perfect! Edited April 17, 2014 by waldo Quote
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) ya, why bother with this thread anymore! You'll only have some wag suggest you're about to spoil... while the wag, at the same time, suggests he doesn't actually know anything! much Perfect! I personally I am tired about this whole SPOILER!!!! phenomenon we see on the internet now regarding TV shows. If the show has aired, the onus is on you to avoid hearing about it. Yet with this show, that's based on novels people I know has read it's hard to avoid hearing stuff, without actually really knowing too much about what's too come. My deepest apology for my incorrect assumption. Edited April 17, 2014 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I actually like what another popular Cable show based on source material, The Walking Dead, does. Most of the characters are the same and the plot is loosely based on the source material but the same stuff doesn't happen so people that know the source material are surprised but ultimately the two stories do follow similar narratives. Quote
kimmy Posted April 18, 2014 Report Posted April 18, 2014 Guys! Let's not fight! I think the etiquette we have always followed in this thread is that anything that has already appeared on TV is fair game and open for discussion, and material from the books is also fair game and open for discussion provided that it is something that precedes events that have already occurred on TV. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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