game of thrones

[kimmy]

Is she even in a position to go to Westeros any time soon? Seems like things would have to move quite rapidly in 3 episodes (even including a supposed conflict between Tommen and the faith militant). Seems like there will be way too much downtime where very little will happen in king's landing.

At this point I'm wondering why she would even care about Westeros. She's never even actually been there, has she? She's built something completely new in Essos. The work she's doing over there is important. Why would she leave all that behind to go fight a war that was never really hers to start with? Revenge for events that happened before she was born? Reclaim the Iron Throne for a family that she's the last and final member of (the "blood magic" debacle in season 1 left her infertile, right?) That stuff was Viserys's dream, not really hers.

He probably wants to put Sansa on the Iron Throne, although I don't think that's his only goal (otherwise he wouldn't put Sansa's life at risk sending her to the Boltons). But to do that he needs more power, and that can be difficult if the faith militant are running around making prostitution illegal. Also, if he doesn't help Olenna, she will reveal his role in the death of Jeoffery.

I think Littlefinger's primary interest is putting Sansa on his Littlefinger. Winterfell would be a good start; if things fall apart in the south the way they look like they're going to, he would be in prime position to swoop in later.

I don't think he has any further need of the brothel business, except perhaps as a hobby.

I don't think either he or Olenna can ever tell that story to anybody else. They can't use it to threaten each other because it would mean both of their heads on adjacent spikes on the battlements of the Red Keep.

<Scottish brogue> "My lips, my lady, are seeealed. And so are yoooours." </brogue>

Another wild card is the mountain, who has probably become a zombie or something.

I was wondering if he might somehow play into this. That would be a lazy-writer way to wrap up this storyline: Franken-Mountain wakes up off his slab, shambles into the sept, and smacks the crap out of everybody.

-k

[Boges]

Gendry didn't play a huge role in the books. To have him king of the realm by the end of this season would be a huge diversion from the books.

How exactly would Little Finger have found him and knew who he was?

I'm with Kimmy, the gift was Lancel. Just like Cersei used Loras' side piece to betray him, Lady Olenna used Lancel as a way to get the same treatment for Cersei.

I do agree that the Sparrow will used the fact that Tommen and Cersei's incest spawn are blonde as evidence she's into incest. If that's the case, what happens to Jamie when he returns (with or without Myrcella?) from Dorne.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Boges

[Black Dog]

Yeah the idea they'd trot out a character we haven't seen in three seasons, a bastard commoner one with no legitimate claim to the crown and stick him on the Iron Throne is pretty out there. As it stands, Stannis would have the strongest claim to the throne, followed by Shireen.

<Scottish brogue> "My lips, my lady, are seeealed. And so are yoooours." </brogue>

He's Irish!

[-1=e^ipi]

Gendry didn't play a huge role in the books. To have him king of the realm by the end of this season would be a huge diversion from the books.

But the show has sort of caught up to the books. Has the faith-militant conflict been resolved in the books? If not, it is a possibility.

How exactly would Little Finger have found him and knew who he was?

Ned Stark knew who he is. It's not unlikely that Petyr knew who he is.

I'm with Kimmy, the gift was Lancel. Just like Cersei used Loras' side piece to betray him, Lady Olenna used Lancel as a way to get the same treatment for Cersei.

But wasn't Lancel going to do that anyway, since he's a religious zealot?

Edited May 28, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[Boges]

But the show has sort of caught up to the books. Has the faith-militant conflict been resolved in the books? If not, it is a possibility.

I'm not sure, this is just what I've read about some of the differences between the show and the book. Gendry was just a friend of Arya, who was also a Bastard of Robert. They used a completely different bastard of King Robert for the sacrificing stuff in Dragonstone, not to mention Davos setting him free.

In the books he stayed with the Brothers Without Banners.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gendry

To make him the King in the show would completely remove the Lannisters from equation. It's possible that in one of the future books he comes back but as BD said, Stannis has a much better claim than he does. He's certainly in no position to take power from Tommen.

Ned Stark knew who he is. It's not unlikely that Petyr knew who he is.

Very true. It would be a lot of hedging to both support the winner of the impending Battle of Winterfell and at the same time have one of Robert's Bastard's in his pocket just in case this Faith Militant thing make things untenable. He certainly has to appease the Tyrell's because Lady Olenna worked with him to off Joffery.

But wasn't Lancel going to do that anyway, since he's a religious zealot?

I've said earlier that I found this aspect of the writing for Cersei very lazy and clumsy. She'd have to completely filled with irrational hubris to think her relationship with Lancel wouldn't come back to bite her in the ass if she wanted to have religious zealots snooping around the private lives of her rivals.

I can't speak to Lancel's motives, But I'm sure he wouldn't lie about his relationship with Cersei once the Sparrow inquires about it. Or perhaps the Sparrow knew about it all along, who knows?

Edited May 28, 2015 by Boges

[-1=e^ipi]

They used a completely different bastard of King Robert for the sacrificing stuff in Dragonstone, not to mention Davos setting him free.

So maybe in the book, the other bastard will become king, but in the show they combined 2 characters.

To make him the King in the show would completely remove the Lannisters from equation.

Not necessarily. Tommen could simply get demoted to leader of the Westerlands and heir to the throne. And there is still Tyrion, Jaime, Kevan, the Mountain, and Bronn.

Edited May 28, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[Boges]

So maybe in the book, the other bastard will become king, but in the show they combined 2 characters.

Not necessarily. Tommen could simply get demoted to leader of the Westerlands and heir to the throne. And there is still Twyin, Jaime and Kevan.

Tywin is dead SYHTFOTW.

[-1=e^ipi]

Meant tyrion.

[Boges]

Meant tyrion.

Tyrion isn't doing anything for the Lannisters right now.

I believe his meeting with Dany is something completely new to the fiction. I'm really looking forward to see what happens there and the immediate reaction to the jailing of Cersei.

Perhaps Qyburn uses his Mountain Frankenstein to break her out.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Boges

[Black Dog]

Tyrion isn't doing anything for the Lannisters right now.

I believe her meeting with Dany is something completely new to the fiction. I'm really looking forward to see what happens there and the immediate reaction to the jailing of Cersei.

Perhaps Qyburn uses his Mountain Frankenstein to break her out.

The books would suggest we're heading to yet another trial by combat featuring Zombie Gregor and a player to be named later. But I can't imagine the show would go there again for a fourth time: we've already seen Bronn vs. Ser Moon Door, The Hound vs Zombie Flaming Sword and The Mountain vs Inigo Montoya in the trial by combat format. I'm thinking more of a wacky road comedy with Qyburn, a disguised Cersei and Zombie Gregor trying to get to Casterly Rock with an angry mob at their heels. Cue Yakity Sax

[Bonam]

The current Cersei situation had a resolution in the books. We'll see whether or not the show follows that resolution.

[kimmy]

The books would suggest we're heading to yet another trial by combat featuring Zombie Gregor and a player to be named later. But I can't imagine the show would go there again for a fourth time: we've already seen Bronn vs. Ser Moon Door, The Hound vs Zombie Flaming Sword and The Mountain vs Inigo Montoya in the trial by combat format. I'm thinking more of a wacky road comedy with Qyburn, a disguised Cersei and Zombie Gregor trying to get to Casterly Rock with an angry mob at their heels. Cue Yakity Sax

I was thinking that for Loras, demanding a trial by combat would be a no-brainer.

In the books it's stated that he's one of the most skilled knights in Westeros. With Jaime missing a hand, the Hound MIA and presumed dead, the Mountain MIA and presumed undead, the Red Viper dead, Khal Drogo dead, Thoros of Myr hasn't been seen for 3 seasons ...I think Brienne might be the only person left on the show who could match up with Loras one-on-one (she trounced him in season 2 at Renly's camp, if I recall.)

What champion could the Sparrows produce that could defeat Loras in a trial by combat?

-k

[Boges]

AWESOME!!!!!

So can they stop saying "Winter is Coming" now? PLEASE!!!!

I completely enjoyed Game of Throne: Walking Dead Edition. The White Walkers were freakin' amazing.

That being said, Come on Wildlings! No scouts able to warn you about the impending arrival of an army of the undead? And these are the World War Z zombies, not the Walking Dead type zombies.

Dany and Tyrion delivered as expected. I wasn't disappointed with any of that, I'm actually quite surprised Tyrion threw Ser Friendzone under the bus like that. I'm guessing he'll find some redemption being a gladiator or something.

Arya is an assassin now? Kay.

Sansa knows Bran and Rickon are alive but so what? Bran isn't even in this season and Rickon will probably not be seen again. We'll see I guess.

BTW Tommen is a massive pussy. You're only recourse for the people you love being held agains their will is to go on a hunger strike? It'll be interesting to see if they show what Kevan Lannister's "advice" to him is.

[kimmy]

YEAH! YEAH!!! That was massive! Wow! I guess we know what they did with all the money they've saved by not paying for dragon CGI, catnip for Ser Pounce, or Scooby-snacks for dire-wolves this season.

How devastating... all those people dead. Jon had the right idea, just wasn't in time. So this is another reason to buy Valyrian steel.

Also really liked Dany and Tyrion's interaction.

One thing that sets Dany apart from the other heavy hitters is that she has the humility to bring in advisors and actually listen to them. Early on, she had Ser Jorah to help her navigate her relations with the Dothraki, and she had the handmaiden who taught her about sex and winning Drogo''s heart. Ever since, she's had people come and go from her leadership group. Adding Tyrion to her circle is her best move yet. If Robb Stark had quality advisors, and the sense to listen to them, he'd be king right now.

I think Tyrion recognizes that she's a good kid at heart. He's an extremely shrewd judge of character. I'm a little surprised that she's so quick to bring him into her circle, but I think his responses to her questions about how she should deal with Jorah told her everything she needed to know about what kind of man Tyrion is. I also liked that he asked the question I asked last week, about why she even wants to go to Westeros when she's done so much good where she's at.

-k

[Boges]

http://comicbook.com/2015/06/01/game-of-thrones-what-is-jon-snows-sword-made-of-/

Could the secret of Valyrian Steel be Dragonglass? Apparently there are no new swords being made but finding that secret would be a key to fighting the White Walkers. Perhaps people will go back to Valyria and hang with the Stone Men to figure out what the deal is with that metal.

[Mighty AC]

http://comicbook.com/2015/06/01/game-of-thrones-what-is-jon-snows-sword-made-of-/

Could the secret of Valyrian Steel be Dragonglass? Apparently there are no new swords being made but finding that secret would be a key to fighting the White Walkers. Perhaps people will go back to Valyria and hang with the Stone Men to figure out what the deal is with that metal.

I wonder if that will be Ser Jorah Grescale's role.

[Mighty AC]

The current Cersei situation had a resolution in the books. We'll see whether or not the show follows that resolution.

I suspect it will. This episode already setup that route.

[Boges]

There's only one other Valyrian Steel blade in the North. Brienne has it. Jon and Brienne going Commando on Some White Walkers will be cool for Season 6.

[Black Dog]

That little shithead at the Wall is gonna Red Wedding Jon, isn't he?

[Boges]

That little shithead at the Wall is gonna Red Wedding Jon, isn't he?

Olly? He kind of saved Jon Snow already.

I think that scene was put in their just to give an opportunity to allow Sam to give a soliloquy about the greatness of Jon Snow.

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow, Dany and Tyrion are the characters that can't get killed.

[kimmy]

That little shithead at the Wall is gonna Red Wedding Jon, isn't he?

I'm kind of more thinking that Thorne and his allies will bar Jon and the Wildlings on the wrong side of the Wall.

If that happens, Sam will be hard-pressed to find some way to get them through. Perhaps Ollie will play a role. Sam's oratory skills have been something of a secret weapon for Jon.

-k

[Black Dog]

Olly? He kind of saved Jon Snow already.

That was before Jon made peace with the people who ate the kid's family.

I think that scene was put in their just to give an opportunity to allow Sam to give a soliloquy about the greatness of Jon Snow.

Sam's little pep talk about doing the right thing even if its unpopular is exactly why I think Olly is gonna shank Jon. You could see the lightbulb go off in the kid's head when he heard that.

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow, Dany and Tyrion are the characters that can't get killed.

I dunno if he's going to die, but that's the cliffhanger. Take it to the bank.

[-1=e^ipi]

I found Daenerys' comment about the Great Houses being spokes on a wheel particularly interesting.

So she want's to break the wheel. Does that mean she wants the complete destruction of the feudal system?

Other characters may want the same thing, in particular Petyr Baelish and Varys who are not of noble blood. Maybe even the many faced god or the faith-militant have similar goals.

Edited June 2, 2015 by -1=e^ipi

[overthere]

Dany and Tyrion delivered as expected. I wasn't disappointed with any of that, I'm actually quite surprised Tyrion threw Ser Friendzone under the bus like that. I'm guessing he'll find some redemption being a gladiator or something.

Tyrion did not throw Jorah under the bus. He pled his case strongly in the audience with Danerys, but stepped back when he saw that she was intent on banning Jorah. Letting him live was an accomplishment for Tyrion, and he won't give up on reinstating him with the Queen of Dragons.

Peter Dinklage just keeps getting better all the time.

[kimmy]

Well that was predictable and a little cheesy, but by golly I still thought it was cool.

-k