Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Why does America believe that through freedom of speech you should be able to spit in a persons face with that speech and not expect to get punched in the face? Spitting on people is called 'assault', and is illegal, as is 'punching people in the face'. However, you can say things about people's religion or politics or ugly wife if you want to. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 That's a lot of crap - you know that the average person is stupid and can be enflamed and incited to violence.. You mean the average Muslim, don't you? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
DogOnPorch Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 No but going out of your way to upset them is just dumb and irresponsible. Like naming a Teddy bear Muhammed? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 We have? Somebody here claims that the pastor is responsible / culpable...now who would say such a silly thing? The UN's chief representative to Afghanistan said it. He said the Afghans were not responsible at all. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Guest American Woman Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) American Woman, on 05 April 2011 - 01:26 PM, said: In case it's not already known to you, we do have the freedom in the U.S. to burn a book. Nothing illegal there.Who gives a crap, the people who were killed weren't in the US. Do you really think the rest of the world revolves around your rights and what you think is important? The Koran was burned in the United States. I think what happens in the United States revolves around our rights and what we think is important. That's what our laws are based on. :rolleyes: Edited April 5, 2011 by American Woman Quote
Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 If you tease a dog and it ends up biting your kid, are you not responsible? Are you saying Muslims are the equivalent of mad dogs? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Good point - all was fine when he "spoke" about the burning - all turned to shit when he DID the burning. There is a differnce between free speech and free conduct. Actually, I think they killed people last year too, just on the rumor he was going to burn it. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 He also has the right to be vilified for his abject stupidity here... And he'd be torn to shreds there...And his dismembered body parts paraded through the streets... And that would be no more justified than what happened. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Wilber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 The Koran was burned in the United States. I think what happens in the United States revolves around our rights and what we think is important. That's what our laws are based on. :rolleyes: If nothing else this should be an object lesson that merrily exercising your rights in the US can have catastrophic consequences for innocent people in the rest of the world. Guess not. Get over yourself. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Are you saying Muslims are the equivalent of mad dogs? I'm saying if you tease or taunt someone, don't be surprised if the result is not what you expected. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 And that would be no more justified than what happened. But much less unjustified. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 IIRC, Americans, Canadians, and other nationals were being killed long before any Qu'rans were burned in Florida, so that can't be it. Maybe Rogers raised their cable bill. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 If nothing else this should be an object lesson that merrily exercising your rights in the US can have catastrophic consequences for innocent people in the rest of the world. Guess not. Get over yourself. Wow. Such anger. Get over myself? Americans will exercise their rights in the US, merrily or otherwise, as they see fit; just as we always have, just as we always will. You honestly think we should live a life dictated by the likes of murderers? Bow to threats? Sorry, but you are the one who needs to get over yourself. You seem to think that because you have hate laws in Canada, we should here in the U.S., too; you seem to think that this pastor should be held responsible in some way. On what charges? Quote
Bonam Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Wow. Such anger. Get over myself? Americans will exercise their rights in the US, merrily or otherwise, as they see fit; just as we always have, just as we always will. You honestly think we should live a life dictated by the likes of murderers? Bow to threats? I only hope Americans will continue to carry the torch in this way, the concept has been abandoned elsewhere in the West. Even in the US though, the noose is tightening, with presidents and generals condemning the burning of the Korans in an effort to appease the murderers. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 ...Sorry, but you are the one who needs to get over yourself. You seem to think that because you have hate laws in Canada, we should here in the U.S., too; you seem to think that this pastor should be held responsible in some way. On what charges? Gee...seems to me that more people in the "world" get pissed off by Canadians clubbing baby seals or braining them with a hakapik! How can they be so thoughtless and uncaring about how others feel around the world? Haven't they ever seen Brigitte Bardot cry? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Sounds to me like a simple case of a moronic scumbag inciting even MORE moronic scumbags into doing stupid shit. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Wilber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Wow. Such anger. Get over myself? Americans will exercise their rights in the US, merrily or otherwise, as they see fit; just as we always have, just as we always will. You honestly think we should live a life dictated by the likes of murderers? Bow to threats? Sorry, but you are the one who needs to get over yourself. You seem to think that because you have hate laws in Canada, we should here in the U.S., too; you seem to think that this pastor should be held responsible in some way. On what charges? I'm not angry and it has nothing to do with hate laws, it has nothing to do with any laws. I just don't understand why you are not capable of seeing past your laws and your own liitle world. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I'm not angry and it has nothing to do with hate laws, it has nothing to do with any laws. I just don't understand why you are not capable of seeing past your laws and your own liitle world. What do you want us to do...wack his pee-pee? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I'm not angry and it has nothing to do with hate laws, it has nothing to do with any laws. I just don't understand why you are not capable of seeing past your laws and your own liitle world. On the contrary, it is you who seems focused on the "little world" of the US. For some reason, you suppose that these murders all depend on what happened in some little town in Florida. The reality is, Muslims are killing each other and others in these barbaric countries by the thousands every year, whether or not some papers are burned. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I only hope Americans will continue to carry the torch in this way, the concept has been abandoned elsewhere in the West. Even in the US though, the noose is tightening, with presidents and generals condemning the burning of the Korans in an effort to appease the murderers. I agree with you. I think we're at a crossroads of some sort. I fear that by condemning the burning we are sending the message that we are wrong and they are right; that they have the power, by issuing threats and committing murders, to dictate our actions, to interfere with our freedoms. I think it's fine to say that we disagree with what the pastor did, that we don't condone it, but at the same time point out that we live in a society that allows such freedoms. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I'm not angry and it has nothing to do with hate laws, it has nothing to do with any laws. I just don't understand why you are not capable of seeing past your laws and your own liitle world. It's the laws in 'my little world' that are relevant to the koran burning. It's the freedoms in 'my little world' that you are questioning. This is an incident that happened in 'my little world.' The rest of the world, however, seems very focused on what happened in 'my little world.' You, among them. Quote
Wilber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 On the contrary, it is you who seems focused on the "little world" of the US. For some reason, you suppose that these murders all depend on what happened in some little town in Florida. The reality is, Muslims are killing each other and others in these barbaric countries by the thousands every year, whether or not some papers are burned. Are you saying these UN workers would still have been killed if this guy hadn't pulled his little stunt. Yes or no. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Are you saying these UN workers would still have been killed if this guy hadn't pulled his little stunt. Yes or no. It's happened before...yes or no? http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/29/world/fg-afghanistan-attacks29 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 It's the laws in 'my little world' that are relevant to the koran burning. It's the freedoms in 'my little world' that you are questioning. This is an incident that happened in 'my little world.' The rest of the world, however, seems very focused on what happened in 'my little world.' You, among them. I could care less about your little world until it impacts innocent people in the rest of the world. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Sir Bandelot Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 The Quran burning was "an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry" - President Barack Obama "The Quran burning in Florida was hateful, extremely disrespectful and enormously intolerant." - General David Patreus WSJ Online Seems they disagree with the attitude being espoused here by our resident American spokespersons, and their supporters. And since these big boys are the ones who have to play the game first hand, I personally give their opinion alot more credence. Quote
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