Topaz Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Why are we at war with Libya and besides the following article asking that question, I'm listening to a radio program and more Canadians phoning in, are against Canada's and NATO involvement. Most say this is a civil war and NATO shouldn't be involved. Some ask why NATO wasn't in the African country where people were slaughtered? Was it there was no oil in that country, so no help was sent? I've heard the US has said no boots on the ground and this is only for 3 months.I, personally don't think we should be there, we don't know actually who the rebels are, they could be terrorists for all we know. Next question is so when does NATO go into Iran? Before or after the C-35? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/why-are-we-at-war-in-libya/article1950648/ Quote
William Ashley Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Its Gaddafi - a SOCIALLIST MUSLIM (comeon) All this junk dates back to the images formed in the mind of world leader in the 1970's. We are still in the age of problem childs. Go back in time, what was David Cameron or William Fox doing in the 1970's what was Barrack Obama, or Joe Bidden? Gaddafi is etched into peoples minds as bombing a disco killing two US soilders and killing a cop. the gulf of sidra saw exchanges between the US and Libya. He is freinds is Chavez (another country on the US hit list) that says it right there US hitlist (Iran, Iraq, Afghanista, North Korea, Venzuela) Anything that is "pro soviet" as NATOs goal is to eradicate the USSR in all its many forms. High Oil Prices also slow china down so destabalizing libya or creating a long running civil war will increase oil costs. Most of the gulf ain't socialist - it is oligarchic. Also they stole 30 billion dollars from Libya. It was doing too good for an african country. Capitalists don't like socialists to succeed so they create waste economy by requiring high military spending and by attacking and sabtouging them. (although it was probably a bit of a kingdom going on) (Apparently Obama was graduating from HIGHSCHOOL???? Same deal for Harper???? ) Cameron: Cameron was in trouble as a teenager, six weeks before taking his O-levels, when he was named as having smoked cannabis Cameron's maternal grandfather was Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet, an army officer and the High Sheriff of Berkshire, and Cameron's maternal great-grandfather was Sir William Mount, 1st Baronet, CBE, Conservative MP for Newbury 1918–1922. His mother's cousin, Sir Ferdinand Mount, was head of 10 Downing Street's policy unit in the early 1980s. At the age of thirteen, he went on to Eton College in Berkshire, following his father and elder brother 10 years later in the 80's: Returning from Hong Kong he visited Moscow and a Yalta beach in the then Soviet Union, and was at one point approached by two Russian men speaking fluent English. Cameron was later told by one of his professors that it was 'definitely an attempt' by the KGB to recruit him. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Man the leadership is young. ----------------------------------------------- They can. Its the most powerful Muslim country really close to Europe and the 30 billion dollars they stole will probably pay to rubble them. Edited March 22, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Saipan Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Why are we at war with Libya and besides the following article asking that question, I'm listening to a radio program and more Canadians phoning in, are against Canada's and NATO involvement. Most say this is a civil war and NATO shouldn't be involved. So why we were involved in Balkan civil war under Chretien and Clinton? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 W Was it there was no oil in that country, so no help was sent? Of course. That's why we were involved in an invasion of Iraq (twice) too, and why we don't get involved in African conflicts, despite the huge numbers of atrocities. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Saipan Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 why we don't get involved in African conflicts, despite the huge numbers of atrocities. What are African countries doing about it? Are African countries helping in Balkans, Middle East....? Quote
GostHacked Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Yemen, Bahrain, Sudan, Tunisia, Egypt. ....... but Libya eh? Quote
Saipan Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 And not to forget "Americans are after the oil". That's why they are supporting the only Middle Eastern country that doesn't have any And that's why they pay high world oil prices like everyone else. Quote
wyly Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Of course. That's why we were involved in an invasion of Iraq (twice) too, and why we don't get involved in African conflicts, despite the huge numbers of atrocities. how do you suggest we remove Mugabe from power? if his african neighbours SA in particular won't do anything how can we?...logistically africa is a very difficult challenge compared to the ME... Edited March 22, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Yemen, Bahrain, Sudan, Tunisia, Egypt. ....... but Libya eh? very different situations, Yemen like Egypt is working out their issues by themselves and there was no insane despot threatening to go house to house to eliminate his opponent without mercy...Tunisians with the aid of their own army removed their dictator...Sudan there was extensive political work done behind the scene, yes it went on to long but now there has been a referendum to spilt the country and a peace agreement... Edited March 22, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bloodyminded Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 And not to forget "Americans are after the oil". That's why they are supporting the only Middle Eastern country that doesn't have any And that's why they pay high world oil prices like everyone else. It's not about "taking oil," it's about strategic power. It's not as if this is some grand secret. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Wilber Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 name='William Ashley' date='22 March 2011 - 08:04 AM' timestamp='1300806294' post='642833']Gaddafi is etched into peoples minds as bombing a disco killing two US soilders and killing a cop. the gulf of sidra saw exchanges between the US and Libya. Little Bit More Than a Disco Also they stole 30 billion dollars from Libya. In truth, it is Moe's personal assets that have been frozen. I am sure they were all earned by his own honest sweat and will be generously used to improve the lives of his people. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
scouterjim Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Of course. That's why we were involved in an invasion of Iraq (twice) too, and why we don't get involved in African conflicts, despite the huge numbers of atrocities. When did Canada get "involved in an invasion of Iraq" twice? Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
M.Dancer Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 When did Canada get "involved in an invasion of Iraq" twice? Canadian ships attached to te US fleet Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shady Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Yemen like Egypt is working out there issues by themselves and there was no insane despot threatening to go house to house to eliminate his opponent without mercy Really? Is that what you call using snipers to kill protesters? Sudan there was extensive political work done behind the scene Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? GH is right. There's no difference between Yemen, Bahrain, Sudan, Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. Especially Yemen, Bahrain and Libya. Quote
Saipan Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 It's not about "taking oil," it's about strategic power. And the Lefties always told us "it's the oil". So how does that work? Why do Americans pay world prices like everyone else? Quote
Shady Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 And the Lefties always told us "it's the oil". So how does that work? Why do Americans pay world prices like everyone else? It's just an empty slogan they use to rally their drones. Quote
bloodyminded Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) And the Lefties always told us "it's the oil". No, some lefties said it was about stealing oil. A foolish assertion, as it's easier and cheaper to buy it. The more rational lefties always said it was about strategic influence and control in oil-rich regions, which is a wholly different matter. Edited March 22, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Evening Star Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Tbh, since every major party basically supported the mission, I'd assumed it was just and reasonable. Wente actually raises some good points though. Quote
wyly Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) doublepost Edited March 22, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) No, some lefties said it was about stealing oil. A foolish assertion, as it's easier and cheaper to buy it. The more rational lefties always said it was about strategic influence and control in oil-rich regions, which is a wholly different matter. sorry bloody but the foolish assertion here is taking "stealing" literally... Edited March 22, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bloodyminded Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 the foolish assertion is taking "stealing" literally... Yes, fair enough. But I didn't want to confuse Saipan with too many points at once. I'm a nice guy. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
wyly Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Yes, fair enough. But I didn't want to confuse Saipan with too many points at once. I'm a nice guy. confusing Saipan is easy to do at the best of times... Edited March 22, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Saipan Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 The more rational lefties always said it was about strategic influence and control in oil-rich regions, which is a wholly different matter. How they can "control" it. And why it's OPEC that dictates prices? Quote
scouterjim Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Canadian ships attached to te US fleet Not in Dubya's invasion of Iraq. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
M.Dancer Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Not in Dubya's invasion of Iraq. Guess again http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/focus/canada-us-canada-eu/backgrounder-documentation-eng.asp Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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