Moonbox Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Why do people even respond to these threads? That's the more intriguing topic to discuss.... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
jbg Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Maybe it is about time Canadians take to the Hill. I think it is about time. HARPER LEAVE!!!!!!!! Are you saying Harper would order anti-aircraft guns fired at such demonstrators? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jack Weber Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Are you saying Harper would order anti-aircraft guns fired at such demonstrators? No... He might make the TO cops force someone to take a dip in a fake lake!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Why do people even respond to these threads? That's the more intriguing topic to discuss.... Why? Because it's fun. Knowing that Stephen Harper is pushing people like Willie to the brink of sanity is reason enough for me to look forward to another Harper win! -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
g_bambino Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Maybe it is about time Canadians take to the Hill.I think it is about time. HARPER LEAVE!!!!!!!! First you implied we should dispense with responsible government. Now you want to replace democracy with the rule of the noisiest mob. One thinks you'd rather live in Libya. Quote
g_bambino Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 If only Harper actually had some respect for the basic institutions of the country. What I don't like is that he seems to operate under the theory that he's the boss. He's not, he's just a PM. Parliament's power over him is supreme. True. And, even with the inept opposition we presently have, Harper and the other ministers of the Crown have still been kept fairly well in check. Where the opposition failed, the Commons speaker or the governor general have been the wall Harper's hit. I just wonder, given how far he's pushed the system and how often, plus what is either his total misunderstanding, or a willful misrepresentation of that system, what would he do if these barriers weren't in his way? Quote
Saipan Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 We are long way from the days when Chretien said; I AM THE GOVERNMENT and he acted that way. He could even cancel CBC program The Townhouse (or similar name) since he was asked by a viewer unpleasant question about GST. Quote
GWiz Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Is PM Harper passing bills without the vote of the MP's? Whenever he can scare and/or bribe members of other parties to vote for them; YES... The F-35 "deal" was NEVER voted on along with many other examples... Is he bypassing the Senate? After PROMISING an elected senate he "stacked" the senate in with (unquestioning) Right Wing Supporters; so again YES... Even eliminating any senate debate; a double YES... What is Harper doing to defy the wishes of Parliament? One can start with TWO prorogations of parliament along with lengthy periods when parliament isn't sitting; another simple answer... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Scotty Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 True. And, even with the inept opposition we presently have, Harper and the other ministers of the Crown have still been kept fairly well in check. Where the opposition failed, the Commons speaker or the governor general have been the wall Harper's hit. I just wonder, given how far he's pushed the system and how often, plus what is either his total misunderstanding, or a willful misrepresentation of that system, what would he do if these barriers weren't in his way? You people seem to all forget that the only reason you see Harper 'disrespecting the institutions' of the state are that, unlike his predecessors, he doesn't have 100% control over parliament, its committees, and all those institutions. Chretien didn't worry overmuch about such things. He was in total control of everything, and woe betide any director or chairman who dared to dispute his will. When Chretien said jump, whether it was the Commissioner of the RCMP, the Chief of Defense Staff, the head of the Business Development Bank of Canada, or any other government institution - they JUMPED. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Saipan Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Whenever he can scare and/or bribe members of other parties to vote for them; YES... The F-35 "deal" was NEVER voted on along with many other examples... F-35 is not a law. C-68 became one, based on outrageous lie to Parliemant by Allan Rock.. After PROMISING an elected senate Oppositon wouldn't allow him to. Quote
g_bambino Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Whenever he can scare and/or bribe members of other parties to vote for them; YES... My goodness! Politicking in the House of Commons. Who'd've imagined! After PROMISING an elected senate he "stacked" the senate in with (unquestioning) Right Wing Supporters; so again YES... Even eliminating any senate debate; a double YES... Of course, in light of the facts that the constitution requires the governor general to appoint senators and the Senate can't be reformed without provincial approval, you have a better suggestion that Harper simply didn't listen to, right? Quote
g_bambino Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Chretien didn't worry overmuch about such things. He was in total control of everything, and woe betide any director or chairman who dared to dispute his will. When Chretien said jump, whether it was the Commissioner of the RCMP, the Chief of Defense Staff, the head of the Business Development Bank of Canada, or any other government institution - they JUMPED. True. However, Chretien enjoyed firm majority support in the House of Commons, due to Canadians electing so many Liberal MPs, again and again. Quote
Saipan Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 So if Harper get the same majority he should get away with the same thing. And people will "applaud". Quote
William Ashley Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) This is time for you get a grip on reality. With all its shortcomings andfaults (and I am one who thinks they are many), the Harper government is a democratically elected government. In this country, when you want to change government, you use the ballot box. I don't remember the indians voting back in 1867. It was taken by force from the people and imposed on the land!!! It is illegitimate! Harper LEAVE! ---------- There is no one I would vote for as of yet, so it is disenfranchisement by absentation of choice in someone I'd vote for. Also the democratic system is montetary and class based, true sufferage and access to electoral process is infringed. Anyone cannot just utilize their constitutional right to be eligible for public office - qualification are imposed as stated on a monetary and profession basis vetting the average citizen from access to enfranchisement in the political process. It is only a facade of democracy in a vetted first past the post system. IT ISN'T OPEN DEMOCRACY - IT IS RIGGED! THE PARTISAN FORCES HAVE SHUT OUT FREE DEMOCRACY!!! HARPER LEAVE!! OF THE 50% of voting age people (perhaps 40% of the population) about 1 in 3 is represented in parliament meaning less than 15% of Canadians are represented by your so called democratic elections. Edited February 27, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
GWiz Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 I don't remember the indians voting back in 1867. It was taken by force from the people and imposed on the land!!! It is illegitimate! Harper LEAVE! Women missed out on a few elections back when too... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Saipan Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 I don't remember the indians voting back in 1867. How much do you remember from your childhood in 1867? Quote
scribblet Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 We are long way from the days when Chretien said; I AM THE GOVERNMENT and he acted that way. He could even cancel CBC program The Townhouse (or similar name) since he was asked by a viewer unpleasant question about GST. Yup, and a long way from the finger, 'just watch me' and 'fuddle duddle' and even a long way from Trudeau's number of prorogues Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
William Ashley Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Are you saying Harper would order anti-aircraft guns fired at such demonstrators? I never even knew Canada has antiaircraft guns - when did it get those? Is ADATS safe to use so close to the parliament buildings? Apparently there are only 20,000 regular forces army soilders in all of Canada and what 3000 of these are in Afghanistan.. leaving 17000 soilders to defend all of Canada? To answer your question though. YES, yes I think he would. Especially when they showed up at Sussex. Edited February 27, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
betsy Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Harper LEAVE! Uh-oh.....doesn't bode well. On todays's CTV Question Period, Taber sez they've seen 4 to 5 various polls confirming Harper is actually knocking on to majority territory. Craig Oliver (who's on your side btw) tried to downplay it but journalists panel confirmed it. Oliver had to concede in the end that even with the latest Bev Oda scandal, the Tories are still steaming up....saying he couldn't understand why. Quote
g_bambino Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 IT ISN'T OPEN DEMOCRACY - IT IS RIGGED! THE PARTISAN FORCES HAVE SHUT OUT FREE DEMOCRACY!!!HARPER LEAVE!! You've no concept of what democracy is or how Canada's government works. Tear down what you don't understand to replace it with something you understand even less. Brilliant. Quote
William Ashley Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Uh-oh.....doesn't bode well. On todays's CTV Question Period, Taber sez they've seen 4 to 5 various polls confirming Harper is actually knocking on to majority territory. Craig Oliver (who's on your side btw) tried to downplay it but journalists panel confirmed it. Oliver had to concede in the end that even with the latest Bev Oda scandal, the Tories are still steaming up....saying he couldn't understand why. No it bodes very well. I'm for me. I'm for my beleifs. I could care less what someone else thinks if it doesn't penetrate my beleif system. My beleifs don't impose on others, they provide freedom. If the government has a lasting majority support then represent it.. if it doesn't I've seen more than enough of the baffoons, they are ruining Canada financially. Debt spending is illegal because it is tying up public moneys without representation on approval of the spending. Unless all monies borrowed are borrowed solely on goodwill with no obligation of repayment then they are illegally borrowed. The government is bollocks and ruining the fiscal security of Canada's future. The sooner they are gone the better. If they get a majority it means CUTS most likely (although still tons of needless spending to partisan purposes) They really do suck. I'm not oblivious to the "actual" context of the situation and what led to it. I simply don't have confidence in the government and havn't since 2008. I'd stake seeing them out over them being in for 5 more years without opposition. or for that matter all eternity for the last of Canada's lifespan. The end point is, they arn't my government, I don't support them, I don't have confidence in them. Pull the trigger and you can take your polls and put them you know where. (I haven't supported the government since 2001 really, this however was due to Afghanistan, a war I 100% feel was not well executed, nor was the causi (casus) belli adeqeutte, it was dastardly for NATO to do what it did in the way it did, undr the context it did.) Other than this i don't support the government over the tax structure and specific laws that impose on my freewill. I am not badly harmed by these (I actually get money rather than pay money when I file), I'm given lots of money by the system - but even though it does me well, I don't support the system even though I am a beneficiary of it. I don't support it. Much the same as a handful of laws, and the structure there of. Until my constitutional rights and ancient rights are supported by law I do not support the government because it does not support my rights, it infringes them. HARPER LEAVE! Edited February 27, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Saipan Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 I never even knew Canada has antiaircraft guns - when did it get those? Probably from Czech Republic. The 30mm double barrel automatic cannons beigh phase out there. Like the leaking subs from UK. Quote
scouterjim Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 Would they have more respect for our form of government than Harper? Nope. The NDP would put this country in the poorhouse with their policies, whether we liked it or not, and the Liberals are too wishy-washy and afraid to offend anybody to worry about "our form of government". Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
William Ashley Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Nope. The NDP would put this country in the poorhouse with their policies, whether we liked it or not, and the Liberals are too wishy-washy and afraid to offend anybody to worry about "our form of government". I don't see why you are so defensive of your supposed NDP poor house policies - but isn't that what the conservatives are doing with their many many many many billions of debtload accumalated 20 billion here 50 billion there 40 billion here etc.. ... It is debt servatude, we don't need that for a nation. NOTHING CHANGED.. from the years of surplus.. intakes have been the same or more.. WHY THE DEBT!!! It IS NOT RIGHT... you can't just have a 150 billion in debt out of no where -- NOTHING CHANGED TO NECESITATE THE DEFICIT. WAKE THE HECK UP. THEY TRHEW MONEY AWAY. WHERE DID IT GO? I don't see anything from the 150 billion WHAT DID THEY DO FOR THAT AMOUNT OF DEBT.. no programs.. NOTHING just a bunch of signs of sports arenas? WHAT DID THEY DO WITH IT? THAT IS NOT!!! 150 billion worth of junk. IT IS THE BIGGEST RIP OFF IN CANADIAN HISTORY. WAKE THE HECK UP. It is total idiocy to load that much debt and have nothing to show for it in the end. It is completely negligent and irresponsible. You can't claim you prevented something that didn't occur. It is that false premeptive defence bullshit. These people would be playing scratch and win if they were prophets - they arn't. KYNESIAN ECONOMICS ONLY PUTS GOVERNMENTS IN DEBT TO FINANCERS IT DOES NOTHING THAT THE PRIVATE MARKET COULDN'T DO. THE GOVERNMENT COULD SIMPLY PRINT MONEY TO DEFLATE THE WEALTH AND REDISTRIBUTE IT FOR THE SAME EFFECT! (and not be in debt as a result - it is a huge scam) This is a total screwover of the middle and lower classes ...and at a vunerable time. CANADA DOES NOT HAVE ROOM FOR HIGHER TAXES IT NEVER WILL. THE MONEY AIN'T THERE... and it is like shoving a pin into a ballon before inflating it and hoping it will fly. THEY ARE RUINING CANADA for the middle class and lower classes - only the rich will benefit.. ONLY TWO THINGS CAN RESULT. Higher middle income taxes, or severing support program. With a majority there will be no NDP to save pensions, EI, or other benefit programs. AND THEY WILL HAVE 5 YEARS.. that is until 2016, to do whatever the hell they want -this is before the baby boom crisis is suppose to hit. Canadians will get what they deserve if they vote for that scum. And don't think this is a "blip" more is on the way -- the US didn't recover, it is only stabalizing at a lower position. The Australians paid off their public debt now their dollar is right with Canada and the US. They are very small, but prospering because they are free from public debt. Canada should take a lesson from them. Edited February 27, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Topaz Posted February 27, 2011 Report Posted February 27, 2011 What i think help destroys a country are the voters who are closed minded and will NOT change their views who should run the country. It's easy for parties to buy votes, when you have nothing to stand on as a government or a party. I've heard through the political grapevine that Harper has said he HAS to get a majority and will do anything it takes to get one. I hope, at least , the boomers will vote for what is right for the country and for their kids and grandkids and not let the seating government takes the country into more debt. They wil never get it paid off and then in the future, both US and Canada, will say lets join together, become one since both countries are deep in debt. Quote
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