bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I wish the left would just come out and say ,I hate isreal and its people and hope they all die. If they felt that way, they probably would say it. But they don't...so they don't say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 he has gone out of his way to support mubarak, a dictator, as opposed to showing support for the people of egypt and democracy. israel has way too much influence over harper. this is another example why canada lost a seat in the UN. harper is failing us and ruining our image internationally. Embarrassment and "ruining our image internationally" is to start sentence and all names in lower case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Embarrassment and "ruining our image internationally" is to start sentence and all names in lower case. Yes, unlike your shining example of syntax here: a grammarian's dream of perfection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 If they felt that way, they probably would say it. But they don't...so they don't say it. Sometimes I wonder bloody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sometimes I wonder bloody. Wonder no longer. Most anti-semitism comes not from the political Left: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3833 But from the political Right: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2535 Just look at what is being said in the second link--from some quite prominent people--and then try to discover similar remarks from the Left. No doubt a few exist, here and there. But I don't think it's anywhere near the same scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Wonder no longer. Most anti-semitism comes not from the political Left: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3833 But from the political Right: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2535 Just look at what is being said in the second link--from some quite prominent people--and then try to discover similar remarks from the Left. No doubt a few exist, here and there. But I don't think it's anywhere near the same scale. How about our liberal universities and their anti isreal days they like to have ,where they even get to torment the jewish students, and that is not the right, that is the left. Edited February 10, 2011 by PIK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yes, Harper's principled stance is evident in the way he opposed the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, and the violent chaos unleashed there... Egypt is an ally. Iraq wasn't. Mubarak is an ally. Saddam Hussein wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 How about our liberal universities and their anti isreal days they like to have ,where they even get to torment the jewish students, and that is not the right, that is the left. Protests and criticisms of Israel aren't "anti-Israel", any more than other protests have been "anti-Palestinian" or "anti-Iranian" or "anti-Chinese" or what have you. And they're certainly not "anti-semitic." Any harrassment of Jewish students, done because they're Jewish, sure sounds anti-semitic to me. But that's not "the left," or "the liberals." That's a few unruly students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Another thing bloody, IMO gays would be more left then right , maybe I am wrong, but any way, you have this group queers against isreal apartied, how dumb is that ,they only place in the middle east where a gay person can live in peace is ...........you got it isreal and if these members went anywhere else in the middle east is it game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Egypt is an ally. Iraq wasn't. Mubarak is an ally. Saddam Hussein wasn't. The point is that Harper's stance on democracy is not based on "principle," which is what I was arguing. You evidently agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Protests and criticisms of Israel aren't "anti-Israel", any more than other protests have been "anti-Palestinian" or "anti-Iranian" or "anti-Chinese" or what have you. And they're certainly not "anti-semitic." Any harrassment of Jewish students, done because they're Jewish, sure sounds anti-semitic to me. But that's not "the left," or "the liberals." That's a few unruly students. Well you better read up on it and see what really goes on and sorry to break the news but it is more then a handful of unruly students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Another thing bloody, IMO gays would be more left then right , maybe I am wrong, but any way, you have this group queers against isreal apartied, how dumb is that ,they only place in the middle east where a gay person can live in peace is ...........you got it isreal and if these members went anywhere else in the middle east is it game over. Yes, of course they're aware of this. But protesting the bad behaviour of us and our allies is a lot more useful than protesting the bad behaviour of others. Those protests might be right, but they have no practical value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Well you better read up on it and see what really goes on and sorry to break the news but it is more then a handful of unruly students. No. It's literally a handful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Most anti-semitism comes not from the political Left: oh yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) oh yeah? I'd prefer something a little more focussed than a site I never visit, to which, presumably, I'm supposed to perform a lengthy perusal. (Scratch that: I visited once, but decided that a site featuring so much agreement would get boring quite quickly...so I didn't bother joining.) Where's all the anti-semitism? I offered concrete examples of anti-semitism from the mainstream American Right. Edited February 10, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 he has gone out of his way to support mubarak, a dictator, as opposed to showing support for the people of egypt and democracy. israel has way too much influence over harper. this is another example why canada lost a seat in the UN. harper is failing us and ruining our image internationally. Israel does not influence Harper - and Harper is NOT an embarrassment..He is to much of a non-entity to be an embarassment---there is a nothingness about the man...He just does what he is told and is happy to comply...as for Mubarak...He is the rich status quo - and our rich status quo support all others who are of the same privledged class...at least the rich in the world are loyal to each other were as we are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I'd prefer something a little more focussed than a site I never visit, to which, presumably, I'm supposed to perform a lengthy perusal. Are you an accountant by any chance? Edited February 10, 2011 by fellowtraveller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Are you an accountant by any chance? By no chance at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 too bad, you'd do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 too bad, you'd do well. I remain patiently waiting for you to decode your own posts, and get to the point. I sincerely don't know what you're getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinko Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Maybe the state of Israel could be relocated to Utah. That way Christian Zionists wouldn't have as far to travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Maybe the state of Israel could be relocated to Utah. That way Christian Zionists wouldn't have as far to travel. Sorry...Canadian polygamists have already claimed the State of Utah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Maybe the state of Israel could be relocated to Utah. And "palestinians" to Iran. Same religion and way of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Wonder no longer. Most anti-semitism comes not from the political Left: But from the political Right: Indians are the political Right? Long live Chief Ahenakew! ....Oops, I think he croaked. Speaking of Right. http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm Edited February 11, 2011 by Saipan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 The point is that Harper's stance on democracy is not based on "principle," which is what I was arguing. You evidently agree. It would be idiotic if it was 100% principle. I'm sure he'd prefer Egypt to be free and democratic. But one also has to weight Canada's best interest, the Middle East's best interest, and the reality of the history and situation of the country. You sound like a neo-con. I'm glad he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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