Don't ask, don't tell repealed

[Bitsy]

A wrong finally righted.

More than 14,000 soldiers lost their jobs and their dignity over the last 17 years because they were gay, but there will be no more victims of this injustice. The nation’s military is about to send a message of tolerance and shared purpose to the world — now that political leaders, who voted for legalized bigotry in the armed forces in 1993 and kept it alive since then, have found the strength to stand up and end it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/20/opinion/20mon1.html?hp

[dre]

A wrong finally righted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/20/opinion/20mon1.html?hp

No doubt this gayification of the military will immediately result the battlefield becoming a gigantic sodomy festival.

[bush_cheney2004]

No doubt this gayification of the military will immediately result the battlefield becoming a gigantic sodomy festival.

Not likely....sodomy would still be banned by the UCMJ.

[scribblet]

Or, some in command who might have a problem with a gay soldier, would deliberately put them on the front lines or in danger. I fear that they might become siting ducks for those who have a problem with the issue. Maybe not, hope it doesn't happen.

[sharkman]

What this boils down to is the desire to be identified by sexual preference ahead of nationality. It's actually kind of sad. Does the army identify everybody by their sexual preference? No, and they shouldn't, it has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war. So now a very small minority will have great influence and favour ahead of everybody else. It's unjust.

[dre]

What this boils down to is the desire to be identified by sexual preference ahead of nationality. It's actually kind of sad. Does the army identify everybody by their sexual preference? No, and they shouldn't, it has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war. So now a very small minority will have great influence and favour ahead of everybody else. It's unjust.

Ridiculous. That small group just wont get fired for failing to keep their sexual alignment secret... same as everyone else.

[nicky10013]

What this boils down to is the desire to be identified by sexual preference ahead of nationality. It's actually kind of sad. Does the army identify everybody by their sexual preference? No, and they shouldn't, it has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war. So now a very small minority will have great influence and favour ahead of everybody else. It's unjust.

No, it's the desire to be able to be a better citizen to your nation by wanting to serve while not having to lie about who you really are. That's nationalism in itself. If you hadn't noticed, yes the Army does identify people by sexual preference. If you're outed, you're out of the military yourself. If sexual preference doesn't matter at all as you've said, why is this a bad thing?

I guess you'd say the same thing about the desegregation of the US military. Man, those black people really hated America because god forbid they not want to serve in segregated units.

[guyser]

What this boils down to is the desire to be identified by Colour ahead of nationality. It's actually kind of sad. Does the army identify everybody by their colour? No, and they shouldn't, it has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war. So now a very small minority will have great influence and favour ahead of everybody else. It's unjust.

Hmm.....I wonder how this sounds now?

[g_bambino]

No, it's the desire to be able to be a better citizen to your nation by wanting to serve while not having to lie about who you really are.

Why would anyone have to lie when the question was never supposed to be asked? The policy was "don't ask, don't tell"; not "ask, always tell 100% heterosexual, not even experimentation in college, Sir!"

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Edited December 20, 2010 by g_bambino

[Black Dog]

What this boils down to is the desire to be identified by sexual preference ahead of nationality. It's actually kind of sad. Does the army identify everybody by their sexual preference? No, and they shouldn't, it has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war.

I'm confused. You seem to suggest the military should not identify people based on their sexual orientation, yet that's exactly what the ban on gays in the military served to do.

If you honestly believe that one's sexual orientation "has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war", then you should support the repeal of DADT.

So now a very small minority will have great influence and favour ahead of everybody else. It's unjust.

I'm going to phrase this question as delicately as possible here...

What the fuck are you talking about?

[dre]

I'm confused. You seem to suggest the military should not identify people based on their sexual orientation, yet that's exactly what the ban on gays in the military served to do.

If you honestly believe that one's sexual orientation "has nothing to do with serving your country or conducting a war", then you should support the repeal of DADT.

I'm going to phrase this question as delicately as possible here...

What the fuck are you talking about?

I'm going to phrase this question as delicately as possible here...

What the fuck are you talking about?

Its a good question!

[sharkman]

No, it's the desire to be able to be a better citizen to your nation by wanting to serve while not having to lie about who you really are. That's nationalism in itself. If you hadn't noticed, yes the Army does identify people by sexual preference. If you're outed, you're out of the military yourself. If sexual preference doesn't matter at all as you've said, why is this a bad thing?

I guess you'd say the same thing about the desegregation of the US military. Man, those black people really hated America because god forbid they not want to serve in segregated units.

Let me ask you this, does a gay or a straight person serve better in the military? Does their sexual preference cause them to shoot or kill better? It shouldn't matter to the army what they are, besides being American.

[punked]

Let me ask you this, does a gay or a straight person serve better in the military? Does their sexual preference cause them to shoot or kill better? It shouldn't matter to the army what they are, besides being American.

Yah so now soldiers wont be able to blackmail other soldiers because they find out they are gay which is what was happening before. You sicken me.

[sharkman]

Yah so now soldiers wont be able to blackmail other soldiers because they find out they are gay which is what was happening before. You sicken me.

Why can't you answer the question? I know it's hard to not play the drama card but I'm sure you've got an intellect after we get past the knee jerk reaction.

[eyeball]

Let me ask you this, does a gay or a straight person serve better in the military? Does their sexual preference cause them to shoot or kill better?

I don't know. Does a homophobe's?

I suspect a homophobe would probably make a better torturer. The military seems to have some use for these.

[sharkman]

Well since we are playing that game, a knee jerker such as yourself would do real well in the army with that military knee jerk march. Just try not to hit yourself in the chin.

[eyeball]

Why can't you answer the question?

[punked]

Why can't you answer the question? I know it's hard to not play the drama card but I'm sure you've got an intellect after we get past the knee jerk reaction.

I got one no longer will gay women be raped in the army and told to shut up or lose their jobs because people like you are afraid of gay people being who they are. There is my answer. You make me sick, if this is the easiest way to stop that then I say it goes a little beyond your Bullocks.

Edited December 20, 2010 by punked

[dre]

Let me ask you this, does a gay or a straight person serve better in the military? Does their sexual preference cause them to shoot or kill better? It shouldn't matter to the army what they are, besides being American.

You seem utterly confused about this.

If you think that it "shouldnt matter to the army what they are", then cleary you MUST support the end of a policy that has resulted in 14 thousand troops being fired just for being gay.

What the hell are you even talking about? You realize the this thread is about the repeal of DADT right?

[nicky10013]

Why would anyone have to lie when the question was never supposed to be asked? The policy was "don't ask, don't tell"; not "ask, always tell 100% heterosexual, not even experimentation in college, Sir!"

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This may shock conservative types who don't like to talk about it lest they infect their ears with cooties that hurt the baby jesus...buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut: Human beings are sexual beings. Healthy human beings engage in sexual behaviour. Sex has many, many, many health benefits. Not surprisingly this involves both gay and straight people. To make people hide relationships and behaviour that is completed tolerated by other members of the same organization for the simple reason that they're straight instead of gay for fear of losing their job is forcing people to live a lie whether they have to check it off on a piece of paper or not.

[nicky10013]

It shouldn't matter to the army what they are, besides being American.

Exactly. So tell me why gays shouldn't be allowed to serve?

[g_bambino]

This may shock conservative types who don't like to talk about it lest they infect their ears with cooties that hurt the baby jesus...buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut: Human beings are sexual beings. Healthy human beings engage in sexual behaviour. Sex has many, many, many health benefits. Not surprisingly this involves both gay and straight people. To make people hide relationships and behaviour that is completed tolerated by other members of the same organization for the simple reason that they're straight instead of gay for fear of losing their job is forcing people to live a lie whether they have to check it off on a piece of paper or not.

That's all very nice, but could you answer my question, please?

[punked]

That's all very nice, but could you answer my question, please?

Yah it is awful hard not tell when you come home off a ship and there is your boyfriend waiting for you, or you are reading a letter in your bunk from your partner. Again I point to the case of Sergeant Tracy Cooper-Harris who loved her job but was found out to be a lesbian by other soldiers when she wasn't on duty and by no fault of her own. Know what they did they blackmailed her and told her if she didn't perform sexual favors or they would out her.

Sorry we don't live in a bubble no matter how much you wish to and even if no one asks and no one tells someone can be found out and no should have to hide who they are. No one should live in fear looking over their shoulder as they kiss someone they love because maybe someone some where is watching. You are crazy if you think the only way people are found out to be gay is if someone asks or someone tells.

Again you sicken me if you support that type of blackmail.

Edited December 21, 2010 by punked

[Shady]

I'm glad that DADT was finally ended. It was a dumb Democrat policy from many years ago.

[punked]

I'm glad that DADT was finally ended. It was a dumb Democrat policy from many years ago.

Yah so Glad those stupid Dems got their come uppins by Republicans blocking the repeal for so many years. LOL

Edited December 21, 2010 by punked