Boges Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Having spent my formative years in Edmonton, home of West Edmonton Mall, I can assure you: they aren't. Other than going to that Mall, what else is there to do in Edmonton, and why would anyone actually want to go there if not to see that Mall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saipan Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 People need to rediscover hobby. 'Specially the young fat kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Missed this earlier: There should be. They've been at it for 7 years already with no results right? Wrong. Have you even been down to the water front in the past two years? This is one of the reasons why people voted for Ford BTW. Years of governments dragging their feets and the public getting nothing for it. Really? I thought it was to stop the (imaginary) gravy-train and respect the customer...er taxpayer. I can't say I ever heard anyone complain that Miller wasn't ambitious enough. I just used Wal-Mart as an example. I'm guessing to plan here is to attract some high-end commercial establishments. Bloomingdale's? Regardless, the point stands. You rejected residential development because there's already plenty of condos, yet in a city with tons of high end retail downtown, a 1.6 Million square foot mall shopping centre is okay. Why is that? They have this cool promenade type mall at the Fallsview Casino. I don't see why something similar would be bad for Toronto. Again: what's the purpose here? Who is this supposed to serve? What's the impact on other businesses and malls if people start spending their shopping and entertainment dollars at the Waterfront Mall instead of at Eaton Centre or Queen West? Other than going to that Mall, what else is there to do in Edmonton, and why would anyone actually want to go there if not to see that Mall? It's quite possible to visit Edmonton and have a good time and see many sights without ever setting foot in the mallstrosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hey man it's obvious you just hate commercialism. You'd pick a government built soccer field or a cricket pitch over a store that employs people and puts money into the economy any day. No real point in debating the benefits with you if you think that opening retail establishments are a bad idea. Remember this development won't be a concrete jungle there will be plenty room for green space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hey man it's obvious you just hate commercialism. You'd pick a government built soccer field or a cricket pitch over a store that employs people and puts money into the economy any day. No real point in debating the benefits with you if you think that opening retail establishments are a bad idea. Not sure where you get that idea since I specifically stated I was in favour of mixed residential and commercial development. Keep fucking that chicken. Remember this development won't be a concrete jungle there will be plenty room for green space. How do you know? You haven't seen the plan either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 How do you know? You haven't seen the plan either. Dougie said there would be. Oh yeah you don't believe anything he says but you believe everything Waterfront Toronto tells you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Dougie said there would be. Oh yeah you don't believe anything he says but you believe everything Waterfront Toronto tells you. Waterfront Toronto has a track record of success (West Don Lands, East Bayfront, Sugar Beach, Corus building, Sherbourne Common), the endorsement and participation of three levels of government and a concrete set of plans for the port Lands. Ford has shown to be, and I'm putting this charitably, rather creative when it comes to facts on this and other issues. His credibility is right down there with your own on this. Edited September 1, 2011 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Waterfront Toronto has a track record of success (West Don Lands, East Bayfront, Sugar Beach, Corus building, Sherbourne Common), the endorsement and participation of three levels of government and a concrete set of plans for the port Lands. Ford has shown to be, and I'm putting this charitably, rather creative when it comes to facts on this and other issues. His credibility is right down there with your own on this. They get credit for the Corus building and not Corus Entertainment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) They get credit for the Corus building and not Corus Entertainment? Corus Quay, originally named First Waterfront Place, is an 8 storey commercial office tower located on a 2.5-acre (1.0 ha) waterfront site in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The $160 million building is the first major development planned for the East Bayfront Precinct, and completed construction at the foot of Jarvis Street. Corus Quay is Corus Entertainment's new Toronto headquarters, consolidating its 10 locations and 1,200 employees into one site. The building was being developed by the Toronto Economic Development Corporation (TEDCO), a city agency. Funding for the project came from TEDCO's equity, city loans and a $12.5-million contribution from the city contributed via Waterfront Toronto. -link Corus gets credit for jumping on the opportunity, but this was the city's baby. Do you actually know anything about what's going on "South of Bloor"? Edited September 1, 2011 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 -link Corus gets credit for jumping on the opportunity, but this was the city's baby. Do you actually know anything about what's going on "South of Bloor"? No, I'm just playing devil's advocate to piss you off. Quite frankly I don't give a shit. But I do find it very entertaining seeing Lefties meltdown at everything the Ford's do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 No, I'm just playing devil's advocate to piss you off. Quite frankly I don't give a shit. Hmmm. Usually playing devil's advocate involves having a basic understanding of the contra position you're taking. No, son, what you're doing is called trolling. And with that, I bid you fuck off and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 The gutter talk is dragging this, well, into the gutter. Not necessary, especially when discussing such a boring topic. You sound like pirate accountants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Hmmm. Usually playing devil's advocate involves having a basic understanding of the contra position you're taking. No, son, what you're doing is called trolling. And with that, I bid you fuck off and die. I have been keeping you going for a page or two. BTW nice Melt. You still have an ideological problem with what the Ford's do. Right and Wrong aren't really at play here, you think they're wrong but I'm sure many think he's right. You're just disagree with what they're trying to. But you disagreed with them getting elected in the first place. You should probably just sit back and take it. Edited September 1, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I have been keeping you going for a page or two. BTW nice Melt. You still have an ideological problem with what the Ford's do. Right and Wrong aren't really at play here, you think they're wrong but I'm sure many think he's right. You're just disagree with what they're trying to. But you disagreed with them getting elected in the first place. You should probably just sit back and take it. How typical that you wear your ignorance as a badge of honour. Run upstairs now, boy: your mom is calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) How typical that you wear your ignorance as a badge of honour. Run upstairs now, boy: your mom is calling. How typical of a Extreme Liberal to resort into personal insults. If I am to disagree with you on how land should be developed I'm ignorant. If you're the typical Downtowner that Rob Ford was raging against, it's not terribly shocking to me that he got elected with the mandate he did. Edited September 1, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) How typical of a Extreme Liberal to resort into personal insults. That's rich coming from a self-proclaimed (and proud) troll. Isn't that the result you wanted? If I am to disagree with you on how land should be developed I'm ignorant. No, I'm just playing devil's advocate to piss you off. Quite frankly I don't give a shit. Which is it? And what would you know about it anyway? You're not even here to discuss the issue of development. If you're the typical Downtowner that Rob Ford was raging against, it's not terribly shocking to me that he got elected with the mandate he did. If you're typical of the average Ford Nation voter, it's not terribly shocking to me that he got elected: you must be dumber than he is and that, boyo, is a feat. Edited September 1, 2011 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) That's rich coming from a self-proclaimed (and proud) troll. Isn't that the result you wanted? Which is it? And what would you know about it anyway? You're not even here to discuss the issue of development. Sure I was. It's an issue that goes beyond the issue of a cities waterfront. As someone that lives in the suburbs I have strong opinions of the pros and cons of rampant development. I've seen it work well, and not so well. You just got me on the point that I really have no idea what Waterfront Toronto has or hasn't done, So you're right I can't really back up the fact that they've just been dragging their feet for the last 7 years. That's just what I've heard. I'll totally concede that developers like Mattamy are doing a disservice to communities like mine. Doesn't mean what the Ford's want to do will or won't work. With any business venture there's risk. I suppose there's less risk when you make a government build something because the taxpayer is footing the bill and profit is never the goal. Edited September 2, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) But oh well it's not really worth debating this anymore. There are reconcilable differences when it comes to how we see this. Edited September 2, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Guys, Grow up. Stop the nitter-nattering, personal attacks and rude language. Ch. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Not necessary, especially when discussing such a boring topic. You sound like pirate accountants. Hahaha. Nice. Arrrrrrrrrr. Post that batch to thee ol' GL! Arrrrrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) Hahaha. Nice. Arrrrrrrrrr. Post that batch to thee ol' GL! Arrrrrrr. I agree, I feel bad about this whole ordeal. Just like to point out one more thing. How could you think anything from Down Under could be sinister? An Australian company that’s one of the world’s largest shopping centre owners is a driving force behind Councillor Doug Ford’s mall-based dream for Toronto’s eastern waterfront, the Star has learned.Ford confirmed Thursday he has spoken to representatives of the Westfield Group, which has interests in 124 malls in Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, the U.S. and Brazil. “They’re more than interested,” Ford said in a brief interview. “They have a lot of money sitting there waiting to invest in Toronto.” If a deal came together, it would mark Westfield’s first entry into Canada, confirmed company spokesperson Katy Dickey from Westfield’s Los Angeles office. “Toronto’s a great city, Canada’s a great country and Westfield is always looking at opportunities,” Dickey said. Sounds first class bloaks. Edited September 2, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 We can't tell what's the worst thing about Doug Ford's vision for the waterfront: the tackiness of the concept, its ignorance of effective city-building, the back-room nature of the dealings or the fact that it makes no sense financially. If you want to build a great downtown neighbourhood, you don’t start by asking which elements might make someone want to drive there from Etobicoke on a shopping trip or bus in from Ohio on a cheapo vacation. You start by asking which elements will make people want to live there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 City council should consider cuts to the library system, eliminating late-night TTC buses, selling or closing the Toronto Zoo and Riverdale Farm, and cutting the number subsidized child care spaces, Toronto’s top bureaucrat says.In a report on Toronto’s “core service review” released Monday morning, city manager Joe Pennachetti also endorsed a host of other cuts and service changes proposed by consulting firm KPMG earlier in the year. If all of them were implemented, Pennachetti wrote, the city would save $100 million in 2012. -Link That doesn't sound like very much gravy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 -Link That doesn't sound like very much gravy to me. Who needs the Riverdale Farm? Soon, kids will have the waterfront ferris wheel and mall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) What sucks about this whole scene from my perspective is that Ford ran on the platform that he wouldn't cut services. This is obviously a promise he can't keep. I suppose people were naive for believing him. If there really is a $700,000 shortfall, no amount of "trimming" will make this problem go away. Deep cuts have to be made. It would be interesting to see how David Miller would have handled this situation. How much of a tax hike would he have proposed. I see a similar problem in Tim Hudak's campaign. If you're going to elect him you would have to believe that the provincial government is too large and cuts need to be made. But he says no major cuts would need to be made, then he proposes tax cuts. Things don't ad up. Edited September 12, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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